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Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery (Poll Added)
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:50:18 PM »

Offline beantownboy171

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Pure speculation. But I believe this scenario would develop if we were to luck out and win the lottery, meaning we have the #1 pick netting us the rights to Ben Simmons. I know Danny Ainge goes through every possible scenario and i'm sure that this possibility has crossed his mind.

Let me paint the picture for you:

The Boston Celtics finish the season going 30-10 in the last 40 games. We're the number 3 seed. As of today the number 3 seed would face the Miami Heat in the first round. The Celtics make it to the ECF and give the Cavs a run for their money.

Brad Steven wins coach of the year.

The Sacramento Kings fall just short of making the playoffs, another disappointing finish. They have an encouraging year, however they go into the offseason not knowing if Rajon Rondo will return for another season.

Celtics fan's disappointment from the loss to the Cavs in the eastern conference finals is quickly was away by the elation of winning the lottery, netting them this years prodigy du jour Ben Simmons.

The Celtics are now the talk of the town. And while Lebron is technically still the king of the east folks can't help but speculate that it won't be long until the Celtics return to usurp him. Let's go over the resume at this point:

- The Celtics have a fresh new All-Star in Isaiah Thomas.
- Young players Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Kelly Olynyk each show off how their games have developed in an extended playoff run.
- A coach of the year in Brad Stevens. Whose pace and space offense coupled with exceptional team defense has the same good qualities of the teams you want to be right now. Golden State and San Antonio.
- The #1 pick, Ben Simmons.
- 2 additional Nets Picks along with plenty of smaller assets.
- As much cap space as you'll need

Sure there's a big fish in the years draft. But there is also one available in free agency who doesn't get talked about much around this site. It might not have seemed like a real possibility earlier in the year, but as circumstance unfold we've become a highly intriguing free agent destination.

I'm talking about Kevin Durant.

Kevin Durant wants to be on a championship team. He could be interested in a change of scenery as the current cast of characters in Oklahoma City have proven again to not have enough in them to win a championship. It may be unfair, by the feeling seems to be that the Thunder have peeked. It doesn't help that the Golden State Warriors seem to have point together a team so strong that it feels as though to stand any chance against them you'll have to be great.

So Durant will sit there this offseason and be looking for a situation where greatness is possible. I strongly feel that the Boston Celtics will be the destination that stands out from the rest. The biggest reason will be Brad Stevens, the hottest young coach in the league who seems to get more out his teams than any coach not named Popovich.

The other big reason that will entice Durant is that no other team has a greater capacity to acquire talent to pair with Durant via trade. This is significant because every team will have cap space this summer, including the Celtics. But the treasure chest of assets will give Danny Ainge access to a pool of players that other teams can't touch. It doesn't hurt from a negotiating stand that the Celtics have been able to find this success without yet turning the assets into anything.

If your really looking around as a free agent, the Celtics are the situation you want to get in on. This is like Microsoft stock in its early days or creating a social media platform in the mid- 2000s. You either get in on the party or it's going to happen with out you.

I think that we have the potential to stand out to Kevin Durant even is we end up with the #3 or later. But if ping pong ball grant us Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram here is an offer Danny Ainge can put of the table. A new Big 3:

Isaiah Thomas
Kevin Durant
Demarcus Cousins

The only way we can convince Sacramento to part with Cousins this offseason is if we can offer a prospect like Ben Simmons, and possibly if it was Ingram instead. It mind be difficult for Divac and ownership to part with Cousins as he blossoms into super star form. However, few could argue that there could ever be a better chance to sell high on Cousins. He is coming off his best year while on his best behavior and teams trading for him know that with a couple years remaining on his contract they'd have to blow the Kings away with an offer.

If they were offered Ben Simmons for Cousins they'd have to face the fact that they would never get a better offer for Cousins. They would have a wider window to build around a top talent and they would get other assets to put it into motion. Here's the offer:

Celtics acquire:
Demarcus Cousins

Kings acquire:
Ben Simmons
#18 overall (Mavericks)
2017 or 2018 Nets Pick (Their Choice)
#31 overall
#35 overall
201??? Memphis First Rounder
Terry Rozier
James Young
Amir Johnson (non-guarnteed, cap space)

It's a lot to offer. The Kings would probably ask for more at first. Namely insisting that Crowder or Smart be included. But those two players are so ingrained within the identity of team that Ainge would do anything he could to keep them out of the deal.

The Kings can play hard ball, but I think they'll also know that if they let Ben Simmons start his career in a Celtics uniform that Boston may just decide to keep him. Which is why I think we'd have enough leverage to keep our current core out of the deal.

This was one form of the trade that I came up with, i'm open to other suggestions and opinions about what the trade would have to look like. But the smaller a parts are not as important as this question; Would you trade Ben Simmons for Demarcus Cousins?

If my trade scenario were the one to manifest the team would look like this without any additional moves:

Starting Lineup:
Isaiah Thomas
Avery Bradley
Kevin Durant
Jae Crowder
Demarcus Cousins

Bench Unit:
Marcus Smart
Kelly Olynyk
Jonas Jerebko
Evan Turner (If re-signed)
Jared Sullinger (If re-signed)
Jordan Mickey
RJ Hunter


This scenario is an illustration of why Danny Ainge may want to stand pat at the trade deadline if players like Horford and Griffin are going to cost them some of their best assets. It may be better to stay patient and wait to find the right fit. This team, as it currently stands, has tremendous chemistry and it may be better if we didn't disrupt the rotations we have.

Thoughts?
« Last Edit: January 30, 2016, 10:24:06 PM by beantownboy171 »

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 09:00:39 PM »

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Pure speculation. But I believe this scenario would develop if we were to luck out and win the lottery, meaning we have the #1 pick netting us the rights to Ben Simmons. I know Danny Ainge goes through every possible scenario and i'm sure that this possibility has crossed his mind.

Let me paint the picture for you:

The Boston Celtics finish the season going 30-10 in the last 40 games. We're the number 3 seed. As of today the number 3 seed would face the Miami Heat in the first round. The Celtics make it to the ECF and give the Cavs a run for their money.

Brad Steven wins coach of the year.

The Sacramento Kings fall just short of making the playoffs, another disappointing finish. They have an encouraging year, however they go into the offseason not knowing if Rajon Rondo will return for another season.

Celtics fan's disappointment from the loss to the Cavs in the eastern conference finals is quickly was away by the elation of winning the lottery, netting them this years prodigy du jour Ben Simmons.

The Celtics are now the talk of the town. And while Lebron is technically still the king of the east folks can't help but speculate that it won't be long until the Celtics return to usurp him. Let's go over the resume at this point:

- The Celtics have a fresh new All-Star in Isaiah Thomas.
- Young players Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Kelly Olynyk each show off how their games have developed in an extended playoff run.
- A coach of the year in Brad Stevens. Whose pace and space offense coupled with exceptional team defense has the same good qualities of the teams you want to be right now. Golden State and San Antonio.
- The #1 pick, Ben Simmons.
- 2 additional Nets Picks along with plenty of smaller assets.
- As much cap space as you'll need

Sure there's a big fish in the years draft. But there is also one available in free agency who doesn't get talked about much around this site. It might not have seemed like a real possibility earlier in the year, but as circumstance unfold we've become a highly intriguing free agent destination.

I'm talking about Kevin Durant.

Kevin Durant wants to be on a championship team. He could be interested in a change of scenery as the current cast of characters in Oklahoma City have proven again to not have enough in them to win a championship. It may be unfair, by the feeling seems to be that the Thunder have peeked. It doesn't help that the Golden State Warriors seem to have point together a team so strong that it feels as though to stand any chance against them you'll have to be great.

So Durant will sit there this offseason and be looking for a situation where greatness is possible. I strongly feel that the Boston Celtics will be the destination that stands out from the rest. The biggest reason will be Brad Stevens, the hottest young coach in the league who seems to get more out his teams than any coach not named Popovich.

The other big reason that will entice Durant is that no other team has a greater capacity to acquire talent to pair with Durant via trade. This is significant because every team will have cap space this summer, including the Celtics. But the treasure chest of assets will give Danny Ainge access to a pool of players that other teams can't touch. It doesn't hurt from a negotiating stand that the Celtics have been able to find this success without yet turning the assets into anything.

If your really looking around as a free agent, the Celtics are the situation you want to get in on. This is like Microsoft stock in its early days or creating a social media platform in the mid- 2000s. You either get in on the party or it's going to happen with out you.

I think that we have the potential to stand out to Kevin Durant even is we end up with the #3 or later. But if ping pong ball grant us Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram here is an offer Danny Ainge can put of the table. A new Big 3:

Isaiah Thomas
Kevin Durant
Demarcus Cousins

The only way we can convince Sacramento to part with Cousins this offseason is if we can offer a prospect like Ben Simmons, and possibly if it was Ingram instead. It mind be difficult for Divac and ownership to part with Cousins as he blossoms into super star form. However, few could argue that there could ever be a better chance to sell high on Cousins. He is coming off his best year while on his best behavior and teams trading for him know that with a couple years remaining on his contract they'd have to blow the Kings away with an offer.

If they were offered Ben Simmons for Cousins they'd have to face the fact that they would never get a better offer for Cousins. They would have a wider window to build around a top talent and they would get other assets to put it into motion. Here's the offer:

Celtics acquire:
Demarcus Cousins

Kings acquire:
Ben Simmons
#18 overall (Mavericks)
2017 or 2018 Nets Pick (Their Choice)
#31 overall
#35 overall
201??? Memphis First Rounder
Terry Rosier
James Young
Amir Johnson (non-guarnteed, cap space)

It's a lot to offer. The Kings would probably ask for more at first. Namely insisting that Crowder or Smart be included. But those two players are so ingrained within the identity of team that Ainge would do anything he could to keep them out of the deal.

The Kings can play hard ball, but I think they'll also know that if they let Ben Simmons start his career in a Celtics uniform that Boston may just decide to keep him. Which is why I think we'd have enough leverage to keep our current core out of the deal.

This was one form of the trade that I came up with, i'm open to other suggestions and opinions about what the trade would have to look like. But the smaller a parts are not as important as this question; Would you trade Ben Simmons for Demarcus Cousins?

If my trade scenario were the one to manifest the team would look like this without any additional moves:

Starting Lineup:
Isaiah Thomas
Avery Bradley
Kevin Durant
Jae Crowder
Demarcus Cousins

Bench Unit:
Marcus Smart
Kelly Olynyk
Jonas Jerebko
Evan Turner (If re-signed)
Jared Sullinger (If re-signed)
Jordan Mickey
RJ Hunter


This scenario is an illustration of why Danny Ainge may want to stand pat at the trade deadline if players like Horford and Griffin are going to cost them some of their best assets. It may be better to stay patient and wait to find the right fit. This team, as it currently stands, has tremendous chemistry and it may be better if we didn't disrupt the rotations we have.

Thoughts?

1. It would be nice to win the lottery.

2. This team probably isn't winning 30 of their last 40.

3. I don't think Sacramento is taking calls on Cousins.  Not with a new arena coming, and the way he has been playing. 

4. Durant is probably going to want to run it back with OKC next year and line things up with RW's free agency and the cap increase. 

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2016, 09:11:13 PM »

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Horrible, I would never offer that much up for a head case in Cousins.  Plus Durant isn't going to leave OKC.  Why would he leave for IT and Cousins when he has Westbrook and Ibaka.  Yes Cousins is an upgrade over Ibaka but Westbrook is high about IT.  Plus if we get Simmons why wouldn't you just go after free agents that you don't have to sell off all the picks. 

Centers this free agency we could add.  Depending on which one we choice could go after two of them to feel a big need for us.
Andre Drummond (Young)
Hassan Whiteside (Young)
Dwight Howard (Veteran)
Al Jefferson (Veteran)
Joakim Noah (Veteran)
Roy Hibbert (Veteran that could revive since still young)
Timofey Mozgov (Veteran)

Power Forward
Al Horford (Veteran who would be perfect could be a center)
Ryan Anderson (Veteran a better version of KO)
Jared Sullinger (Resign)
Pau Gasol (Veteran might come cheap depending who we get around him)

Small Forward
Harrison Barnes (Would become starter and have Crowder off the bench)
Nicolas Batum (Could be a good piece)
Evan Turner (Resign and plays multiple position)

Personally if we get Simmons I have two plans looking at this  Plan One is having Simmons playing the power forward position.

Plan One
Sign a big name center that'll want more money
Andre Drummond (Young)
Hassan Whiteside (Young)
Dwight Howard (Veteran)
 
Sign a small forward in
Harrison Barnes (Would become starter and have Crowder off the bench)
Nicolas Batum (Could be a good piece)


Plane Two - Simmons plays the small forward an Crowder backs up

Sign a big name center that'll want more money
Andre Drummond (Young)
Hassan Whiteside (Young)
Dwight Howard (Veteran)

Power Forward
Al Horford (Veteran who would be perfect could be a center)
Ryan Anderson (Veteran a better version of KO)

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 09:18:20 PM »

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Pick Simmons done . what else do you need to do

We will be an amazing team for years to come

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 09:22:44 PM »

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The only most possible scenario here is drafting Simmons and signing Durant. Yes, a team that might possibly give Cavs their fit that is just waiting for their franchise player to arrive would be enticing for players like Durant. Cousins, not so much, especially when they are starting to turn the franchise around, fighting for a possible playoff spot and he's happy with that team right now.

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 09:25:04 PM »

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No way that scenario plays out.

If we end up facing the Cavs in the conference championship, we're gonna kick their butts.

Mike

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2016, 09:35:05 PM »

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No way that scenario plays out.

If we end up facing the Cavs in the conference championship, we're gonna kick their butts.

Mike

Amen

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2016, 09:41:35 PM »

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That is an absurd amount to offer for Cousins and no way Durant is coming to Boston.

If the Celtics luck out for the number one pick there is no way I want them to trade Simmons. 

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2016, 09:45:01 PM »

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Horrible, I would never offer that much up for a head case in Cousins.  Plus Durant isn't going to leave OKC.  Why would he leave for IT and Cousins when he has Westbrook and Ibaka.  Yes Cousins is an upgrade over Ibaka but Westbrook is high about IT.  Plus if we get Simmons why wouldn't you just go after free agents that you don't have to sell off all the picks. 

Centers this free agency we could add.  Depending on which one we choice could go after two of them to feel a big need for us.
Andre Drummond (Young)
Hassan Whiteside (Young)
Dwight Howard (Veteran)
Al Jefferson (Veteran)
Joakim Noah (Veteran)
Roy Hibbert (Veteran that could revive since still young)
Timofey Mozgov (Veteran)

Power Forward
Al Horford (Veteran who would be perfect could be a center)
Ryan Anderson (Veteran a better version of KO)
Jared Sullinger (Resign)
Pau Gasol (Veteran might come cheap depending who we get around him)

Small Forward
Harrison Barnes (Would become starter and have Crowder off the bench)
Nicolas Batum (Could be a good piece)
Evan Turner (Resign and plays multiple position)

Personally if we get Simmons I have two plans looking at this  Plan One is having Simmons playing the power forward position.

Plan One
Sign a big name center that'll want more money
Andre Drummond (Young)
Hassan Whiteside (Young)
Dwight Howard (Veteran)
 
Sign a small forward in
Harrison Barnes (Would become starter and have Crowder off the bench)
Nicolas Batum (Could be a good piece)


Plane Two - Simmons plays the small forward an Crowder backs up

Sign a big name center that'll want more money
Andre Drummond (Young)
Hassan Whiteside (Young)
Dwight Howard (Veteran)

Power Forward
Al Horford (Veteran who would be perfect could be a center)
Ryan Anderson (Veteran a better version of KO)
You trade the picks because we need to consolidate what we have. Demarcus Cousins is putting up huge numbers and has extended his range to the 3-point line. He's is a rare talent and is the perfect Center for Brad Steven's system. I don't think there is any guarantee Simmons ever reaches the level we are seeing from Cousins.

Cousins is better than Ibaka and Westbrook is better than Isaiah. But who do the thunder have that can play defense like Crowder, Bradley and Smart? Who matches what Olynyk brings to the table? Brad Stevens is an x-factor. The Celtics are greater than the sum of their parts because of Brad Stevens.

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2016, 09:48:47 PM »

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Pick Simmons done . what else do you need to do

We will be an amazing team for years to come
Simmons may never be as good as Cousins is right now. The hype factor inflates players value heading into the draft. We think Simmons is a generational talent, but we know Cousins is.

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2016, 09:49:44 PM »

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That is an absurd amount to offer for Cousins and no way Durant is coming to Boston.

If the Celtics luck out for the number one pick there is no way I want them to trade Simmons.
Okay, you don't think it's fair price for Cousins. What would be?

I disagree about Durant, but it's a matter of opinion. I laid out why I think it's possible.

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2016, 09:50:47 PM »

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No way that scenario plays out.

If we end up facing the Cavs in the conference championship, we're gonna kick their butts.

Mike

I was tempted to say that would happen. But i thought people would harp on the unlikeliness of it and it would take away from the point of the post.

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2016, 09:53:43 PM »

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That is an absurd amount to offer for Cousins and no way Durant is coming to Boston.

If the Celtics luck out for the number one pick there is no way I want them to trade Simmons.

If you think about it as basically being Ben Simmons and 8 Terry Roziers it's actually really not that bad.  That being said, none of this is ever happening. 

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2016, 09:58:41 PM »

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Pick Simmons done . what else do you need to do

We will be an amazing team for years to come
Simmons may never be as good as Cousins is right now. The hype factor inflates players value heading into the draft. We think Simmons is a generational talent, but we know Cousins is.

You must be jokkkin

Re: Danny Ainge's Plan if We Win The Lottery (Poll Added)
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2016, 09:58:58 PM »

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*didn't mean to post*