People are overvaluing the Brooklyn Pick around here

[wdleehi]

First, who is available that would be worth a top pick? 




With that said, I wouldn't trade that pick for the majority of the good players that have been mentioned.  Those players are just not good enough. 


Second, the pick maybe more valuable once teams know which pick it is. 

[SHAQATTACK]

No we re not .....it's very very very important.

[greg683x]

Issues with the following:

Porter a bust
MKG bench player
Parker role player
Towns verdict still out

adjusted MKG and Porter. Not sold on the other two yet.. and not for nothing none of these guys even come close to a star we could potentially trade for.

Karl Anthony Towns is a 20 year old, 7' center, averaging 16 and 10 with 2 blocks and youre not sold on him?

yikes.

[dwoumn]

We really don't know what we will have in the Nets pick till the lottery. DA shouldn't decide what to do with the pick till then. Celtics aren't going to win a championship this year so why not finish out this year evaluating talent and figuring out the future. By possibly adding a Kevin Love or Blake Griffin doesn't make us any closer to being a championship team either. I'd also have to factor in the age and health factor with this players as they are a few years away from 30.

Even if the C's end up outside the top 3, could DA still swing a deal with a team like the Cavs or Clippers. Absolutely, they both will be drafting at the back in of the draft and DA could possibly swing a trade that allows them to trade up and give the C's some kind of a building block.

Right now it's not smart to trade the Nets's pick and I highly doubt that Love or Griffin will be on the block anytime soon as those teams' championship window is still ope (barely).

[Atzar]

Issues with the following:

Porter a bust
MKG bench player
Parker role player
Towns verdict still out

adjusted MKG and Porter. Not sold on the other two yet.. and not for nothing none of these guys even come close to a star we could potentially trade for.

Karl Anthony Towns is a 20 year old, 7' center, averaging 16 and 10 with 2 blocks and youre not sold on him?

yikes.

On very efficient shooting besides.  Dude is a stud.

[ABOS (A bit of Sanity)]

As I was reading I was going to make the same point. Agree with the fact BKN pick is a bit overrated but more importantly an FYI verdict is in KAT is a stud and will be for a long time. The question now becomes how much of a stud but the sky is the limit.

Issues with the following:

Porter a bust
MKG bench player
Parker role player
Towns verdict still out

adjusted MKG and Porter. Not sold on the other two yet.. and not for nothing none of these guys even come close to a star we could potentially trade for.

Karl Anthony Towns is a 20 year old, 7' center, averaging 16 and 10 with 2 blocks and youre not sold on him?

yikes.

[Ed Hollison]

I know I’m being redundant given the other responses but I vehemently (but amicably) disagree with the OP.

Yes: The most common outcome from the Brooklyn pick is that we get a good-to-mediocre player, not a superstar.

The thing is, if you can grab a transcendent player on a cheap rookie deal, you simply can not give that up for anything other than another transcendent player. Picks like that change franchises’ futures. That’s why I’d give up the pick for Cousins, but not Griffin or Love.

[jbpats]

KAT status has been updated per the majority opinion.
Having said that, based on history ONLY having the #1 comes close to a "star" guarantee.. The one outlier being Anthony Bennett who was a complete bust.
If we have a 15% chance to get #1 and have an offer on the table that gets us Kevin Love now (again hypothetical) for that pick, how can we justify not trading it for Kevin Love?

Do people really think this draft is that strong? I must be missing something here, but after Simmons this draft is not very good in my opinion.

Whats going to attract free agents more? A team with IT, JC, and Kevin Love or a team with IT, JC and Bender or Kris Dunn?  Let's be serious here

[ABOS (A bit of Sanity)]

The ultimate question on its worth is if the player the celts get in return worth the player they draft +10% that the player is Simmons. And the awnser is subjective but that's the question

[cltc5]

Is trade the #1 for some star power in this team.  I don't think there's anyone this year that will have a major impact for the next 3-5 years

[hwangjini_1]

nm

[BornReady]

I guess so
But the pick is in the lottery and has a chance at possibly getting Ingram or Simmons
Which will sure up our rebuild

[redrobot]

People get excited about potentially getting a #1 pick. Possibly irrationally, but sometimes with merit. Boston hasn't had a top 3 pick since the disastrous Tim Duncan lottery - and came away with Chauncey Billups and Ron Mercer instead.

Imagine the hand wringing that would go on if we did trade the pick pre-lottery, and it turned into Ben Simmons, and he becomes the next great NBA star.

[RockinRyA]

The Brooklyn pick's potential value has a huge degree of variance.

It could end up #1 overall, in which case it's an amazingly valuable asset, especially since there appears to be a prospect in this year's draft of the sort that only comes around once every 5 years or so.

On the other hand, it could end up at #7 or #8, in which case the Celts will do well to get another might-be-a-decent-starter-someday type prospect.


If there is a reluctance to trade the pick, it's because it's very hard to be sure you're getting a good deal when you're trading away an asset of such unknowable future value.

The chances of us landing #1 is very low, do people feel there are another 5 or 6 potential stars in this years draft?
Wouldnt you rather trade it now for a proven star then take the low chance of possibly getting simmons?

The pick currently has a 47% chance of landing in the top 3.  Even if you still want to trade the pick, it'll have more value after the lottery if it ends up in the top 3 than it does right now.

That goes both ways, whats it worth if it ends up being outside the top 3? It won't land us Blake Griffin or Kevin Love anymore.. We'd be lucky to trade it for Galinari if we end up getting 7 or 8.
Either way it sounds like people would take a 15% chance of getting Simmons over the odds of getting a Kevin Love type talent right now (again this is hypothetical)?
And in the much higher scenario, we don't get Simmons, and end up getting Otto Porter 2.0 at #3.. and passed on that Kevin Love type talent for him?
I guess i'd rather have the proven talent then the unknown.. again thats just me

It would be easier to trade the pick once we know where it stands. If I am the Kings/Clippers no way Id trade my stars to a pick which might end up anywhere from 1-10. Having said that, once you know the value of the pick, it might be easier to trade it but the value might be lower or higher. Anyway with regards to your argument. Thing is when you are the middle of the pack to get to the top you have to get a top level talent, Gallinari is not that. Simmons/Ingram might be. Cousins and Griffin might also be that. If we can add Gallo without trading the pick much better, and he is also the most realistic we could get without the pick. Packaging the pick to get a superstar, sure why not. But to get a gallinari/love level, sorry no. Id rather roll the dice in the draft.

[max215]

We are absolutely not overvaluing it. It's literally the most valuable traded pick in the entire league.