What would you give up for Bradley Beal?

[GryphMinuteMan]

If Beal is a "much" better player than Bradley, why would Washington be so open to trading him?

Who said they are? And most players are tradeable given the right price. Also, as said earlier, he will be a free agent soon and maybe Washington is afraid of losing of him with nothing to show.

[Granath]

If Beal is a "much" better player than Bradley, why would Washington be so open to trading him?

Fit, timing and flexibility. My assumption is that the Wiz are going all-in for Durant this offseason. If Washington is all-in for Durant, they're going to tie up a lot of cap space. They're also paying Wall $17m next year. Beal is a RFA so Washington has the right to match but they could have issues with the timing of offers. That's not the biggest reason though...

A guy like Bradley gives them much more financial flexibility to add people in other areas. If the Wiz are paying large sums to Beal, Durant and Wall that leaves them little money to fill in on the front court. They'll be able to score but will have trouble in the playoffs because they simply won't have the bodies up front to compete. Look what happened to them in the playoffs last year against Atlanta. They got dominated up front. That probably would continue to happen by paying most of the cap to Wall, Durant and Beal.

Bradley's game may work much better with Durant and Wall. Both of those guys tend to like the ball in their hands. So does Beal. There aren't simply enough shots per game to keep all 3 happy. So instead you bring back a guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands, can hit the 3 and who can play great defense to free up Wall on the offensive end. Bradley's game is more mature as well and Durant will be in win-now mode.

Now add on top of that a 1st round pick or two and the Wiz would be able to continue to keep the pipeline of young talent coming and/or make another move to improve their front court. In that way they don't necessarily have to sacrifice their future in order to win now.

It's really not much different than OKC trading off Harden. He simply was too costly and not a good organizational fit. Beal would be very similar if Washington thought they had a good shot at Durant.

Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying this is the right move for the Wiz - but I could see this trade being beneficial to both sides.

[Atzar]

I think Beals a much better player than Bradley.  Hes also a legit sized SG at 6'5" for everyones thats sick of the tweeners.  Only thing Bradley has is defense over Beal.  Beal shoots better, scores more, rebounds more, hes more consistant and isnt a bad defender.....hes just not on Bradleys level defensively.

That being said, I think the Wizards would definitely be interested in Bradley bc of the team friendly deal and the sweetner of throwing in a mid first round pick. 


......and for those scoffing at Beal, Otto Porter would look pretty good on this team too!

He's actually about 6'3" without shoes, according to the draft combine.  Bigger than Bradley, but not by all that much.  Still arguably in the tweener range, though honestly I think that label is overused. 


Anyway, you mention in your OP that Washington wants to trade him because he's injury-prone and RFA is looming.  Why would we send them significant assets to take on their problems for them?  Two and a half years of Avery Bradley is a very nice asset at his pricetag.  With Beal, you have three months of cheap play left - then you get to either pay him the max or watch him walk to a team that will. 

I like Beal, and I think he's a better player than AB overall, but I'm not convinced that he's a better asset right now.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I would think about Bradley + Olynyk for Beal.

I'd add a 2nd rounder or two for this and call it a day. This makes sense for Washington in case they are willing to move Beal. Kelly Olynyk will be that stretch four that they have been needing, and Bradley still provides talent in the SG spot.

We get Beal who still have the potential to be special, if he stays healthy.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would think about Bradley + Olynyk for Beal.

A Bradley + something type offer for Beal. No way would I give up the Brooklyn pick for Beal.

I like Beal, but I find myself hard trading for him.

Young career and he's been unhealthy through the duration of it.

Restricted free-agent after this season, he'll definitely get a MAX offer contract somewhere. Are we willing to pay him a contract starting at $21 million?

Is he that big of a different maker going forward?

Those are the questions I'm asking myself, and I'm very unsure of that.

[Monkhouse]

I would think about Bradley + Olynyk for Beal.

I'd add a 2nd rounder or two for this and call it a day. This makes sense for Washington in case they are willing to move Beal. Kelly Olynyk will be that stretch four that they have been needing, and Bradley still provides talent in the SG spot.

We get Beal who still have the potential to be special, if he stays healthy.

WAS would definitely want at least a first round pick, and something more.

I would certainly give them that too. Beal has a far higher ceiling, and while his injuries may be severe, I can only believe Brad Stevens could certainly get the most out of him while restricting the right amount of minutes.

I will say my main criticism of both of these players is their lack of FTA.

I can only dream of a roster, where we get Love without giving up Crowder. Smart, Beal, Crowder, Love, and any competent center that can defend or block shots would certainly be the 2nd best team behind CLE, and arguably better if everyone is healthy.

[KG Living Legend]

 I give him a punch to the face and a broken nose, wait Smart had my back.

[greg683x]

I would think about Bradley + Olynyk for Beal.

I'd add a 2nd rounder or two for this and call it a day. This makes sense for Washington in case they are willing to move Beal. Kelly Olynyk will be that stretch four that they have been needing, and Bradley still provides talent in the SG spot.

We get Beal who still have the potential to be special, if he stays healthy.

WAS would definitely want at least a first round pick, and something more.

I would certainly give them that too. Beal has a far higher ceiling, and while his injuries may be severe, I can only believe Brad Stevens could certainly get the most out of him while restricting the right amount of minutes.

I will say my main criticism of both of these players is their lack of FTA.

I can only dream of a roster, where we get Love without giving up Crowder. Smart, Beal, Crowder, Love, and any competent center that can defend or block shots would certainly be the 2nd best team behind CLE, and arguably better if everyone is healthy.

+1 ....  the fan base around here certainly seems ok with moving on from him, and would like to get something in return while they still can

we'll see, just bc the fanbase feels a certain way, doesnt mean management does too.

I think its a great way for us to get a potential star without giving up A TON.  Yeah there are some questions that come with him, but any player that we're gonna acquire via trade or free agency that could potentially help vault us to the top is always gonna come with some kind of risk.  We're spoiled by that KG trade

[Monkhouse]

I would think about Bradley + Olynyk for Beal.

I'd add a 2nd rounder or two for this and call it a day. This makes sense for Washington in case they are willing to move Beal. Kelly Olynyk will be that stretch four that they have been needing, and Bradley still provides talent in the SG spot.

We get Beal who still have the potential to be special, if he stays healthy.

WAS would definitely want at least a first round pick, and something more.

I would certainly give them that too. Beal has a far higher ceiling, and while his injuries may be severe, I can only believe Brad Stevens could certainly get the most out of him while restricting the right amount of minutes.

I will say my main criticism of both of these players is their lack of FTA.

I can only dream of a roster, where we get Love without giving up Crowder. Smart, Beal, Crowder, Love, and any competent center that can defend or block shots would certainly be the 2nd best team behind CLE, and arguably better if everyone is healthy.

+1 ....  the fan base around here certainly seems ok with moving on from him, and would like to get something in return while they still can

we'll see, just bc the fanbase feels a certain way, doesnt mean management does too.

I think its a great way for us to get a potential star without giving up A TON.  Yeah there are some questions that come with him, but any player that we're gonna acquire via trade or free agency that could potentially help vault us to the top is always gonna come with some kind of risk.  We're spoiled by that KG trade

Agreed.

I think people are so spoiled by that KG trade and literally expect superstars to just get traded to our team for pennies on the dollar...

[oldtype]

If Beal is a "much" better player than Bradley, why would Washington be so open to trading him?

Who said they are? And most players are tradeable given the right price. Also, as said earlier, he will be a free agent soon and maybe Washington is afraid of losing of him with nothing to show.

My point being that if Beal is so good that we need to give up multiple assets in addition to Bradley, Washington would have no interest in trading him at all. He's an RFA so they'd just auto-max him.

If we accept the premise that he's on the market at all, then you have to assume that Washington doesn't think he's worth the max. Any player not worth the max isn't "much better" than Avery Bradley.

[greg683x]

If Beal is a "much" better player than Bradley, why would Washington be so open to trading him?

Who said they are? And most players are tradeable given the right price. Also, as said earlier, he will be a free agent soon and maybe Washington is afraid of losing of him with nothing to show.

My point being that if Beal is so good that we need to give up multiple assets in addition to Bradley, Washington would have no interest in trading him at all. He's an RFA so they'd just auto-max him.

If we accept the premise that he's on the market at all, then you have to assume that Washington doesn't think he's worth the max. Any player not worth the max isn't "much better" than Avery Bradley.

The reason Washington would have interest in trading him is over the past three years hes played in only 56, 73, and 63 games because hes battled injuries, and this year hes already missed several games for the same reason.  Theyre trying to 'win now' and might not have the patience to see if this injury plague with him is just a fluke.  He's coming up on the end of his deal and Washington can either pay him max money or let him walk for nothing.  The Wizards already have a player they can continue to build around in John Wall, letting Beal go wouldnt mean theyd have to blow it up. 

Then why would the celtics do it??  We need a player that has a ceiling to be a star in this league, all we have now are players that would make a great piece to a supporting cast.  Beal has already proven he can be a star in this league if hes healthy and we havent even seen what he can do if hes the #1 guy. 

If' we're going to trade for a player like this, it's always going to come with some kind of risk, at least with this one we wouldnt be mortgaging all of our picks/assets

[pearljammer10]

Think IT+Bradley and KO with a mid first, two second rounders could help them get a jumpstart and life without Beal.

I don't think this gives them the optimal chance of securing Durant in FA, but honestly I don't think Durant is coming back to DC. The Wizards literally failed every expectations, and haven't ever been the same team that once had the punchers chance of bringing in KD.

I'd love to trade for Beal but I wouldn't send them anything close to that much. Beal is an oft-injured offensive shooting guard who has just told everyone that he is going to have a minutes restriction for the rest of his career due to lingering injuries. That's a big red flag to me. Plus the fact he is about to get a max contract despite the amount of time he has missed. It would be tough for me to buy in on that.

Sully Bradley and the Dallas pick and no more.

IT
Beal
Crowder
KO
Amir

With Smart as a 6th man is a pretty legit lineup. Adding a star big man puts us in business in the East.

[outflip50]

So the statements coming out of Washington is that Beal will be on a minute restriction the rest of his career. Why would you give up assets for a guy you can just offer a contract this summer? Why would you pay top dollar for a guy that is most likely on a minute restriction the rest of his career?

[BenSimmons2016]

Is Bradley Beal a realistic target for the Celtics if the Wizards undercut him on salary? I'm think they want to leave enough space to sign Kevin Durant and may choose to undercut Beal.

[__ramonezy__]

IMO...  Nope. That career-long minute restriction talk have me wary