Which 2017 line up do you prefer? -Love or Barnes at PF?

[chambers]

I'm starting to wonder what Danny prefers. To get Love we are basically going to have to give up Crowder and probably IT.
Harrison Barnes is one of Danny's faves and If GSW let's him walk I have no doubt he'll be a Celtic. If that's the case, then what line up do you prefer. Or should I say, what line up gets us closer to a championship?

Option 1: trade for Love sending out Crowder and IT, then trying to sign Barnes at SF with Love here.
Or
Option 2: keep IT and Crowder and sign Barnes at PF this off season.
Which is the better squad?
Why?

IT
Bradley
Crowder
Barnes
Amir

Smart
KO
Brooklyn pick
Celtics pick
Dallas pick
Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, Young

Or

Smart
Bradley
Barnes
Love
Amir

Olynyk
Brooklyn pick
Celtics pick
Dallas pick
Rozier
Hunter
Mickey
Young

Thoughts?

[danglertx]

Well, if you have Love you need a rim protector because he makes Olynyk look like Rodman on the defensive end. 

[slamtheking]

tough call -- PF is where we have the most bodies so I see it as the last place I would focus on upgrading.  I also see Barnes value as a SF, not a PF

Love -- proven 20/10 player when he's the top dog.  not much of a defender.
Barnes - good defender, not much of a scorer or rebounder.

[greece66]

I'm starting to wonder what Danny prefers. To get Love we are basically going to have to give up Crowder and probably IT.
Harrison Barnes is one of Danny's faves and If GSW let's him walk I have no doubt he'll be a Celtic. If that's the case, then what line up do you prefer. Or should I say, what line up gets us closer to a championship?

Option 1: trade for Love sending out Crowder and IT, then trying to sign Barnes at SF with Love here.
Or
Option 2: keep IT and Crowder and sign Barnes at PF this off season.
Which is the better squad?
Why?

IT
Bradley
Crowder
Barnes
Amir

Smart
KO
Brooklyn pick
Celtics pick
Dallas pick
Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, Young

Or

Smart
Bradley
Barnes
Love
Amir

Olynyk
Brooklyn pick
Celtics pick
Dallas pick
Rozier
Hunter
Mickey
Young

Thoughts?

TP for the post altho I mostly disagree.

I already wrote it elsewhere: altho the Cavs seem to have gone bananas lately, I don't think they ll let Love go any time soon.

Per Barnes, he has a two year (and very cheap) contract. GSW would have to trade him but

i/ he is a good fit at a great price so why would they do that?

ii/one wonders what they would ask in return (I do not think we would like it- since Barnes is a good player in a contender  and gets plenty of media attention, he should come with a high price tag attached).

Ofc I would love to give away a part of the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.storm of picks + some of our young talents to get Barnes and if what we are talking about is sthg like our pick + Dallas pick +Sully + RJ Hunter or sthg similar, I would love to see this happen.

Having said this, and since we are talking here of a potential member of the 50-40-90 club I suspect GSW would simply hang up the phone.

PS I read the squads you suggest, but I think it is highly unlike we trade for two players of this caliber in the same season. We would have to give up a lot of our assets (yes, yes, Brooklyn pick included, Smart and Kelly too). After all, why do this with the HUGE 2016 FA coming soon?

Anyway, assuming it is possible, I would obviously go for the line up with Love and Barnes (altho -since we are in the hypotheticals here- I would trade Bradley for a real PG and move Smart to the 2).

[Rosco917]

I went with Barnes.

You better think long and hard before you trade Crowder and Thomas for Love.

If you like two way players, that play with urgency. You'll be disappointed.

[chambers]

I went with Barnes.

You better think long and hard before you trade Crowder and Thomas for Love.

If you like two way players, that play with urgency. You'll be disappointed.

That's the point of the thread I guess.
I like Barnes, but neither he, Thomas or Crowder will ever put up 25 pts 10 rebounds a game.
So what's the better combo for a championship. An undersized *almost* elite one way player/ scorer and 2 elite defenders with solid offensive impact, or a truly elite top 5 nba scorer and rebounder surrounded by elite/great defenders to help on D?

I like top 20 players that are capable of averaging 25 points 10 rebounds on solid efficiency, and I like getting those guys at a low price when they're stuck in a bad basketball situation.
I would absolutely hate to give up Crowder but for a 27 year old Love I'd have to with Brad Stevens at the helm.

I'd also be ecstatic with an IT, Crowder,  Barnes, Bradley, Amir starting unit.
With that line up though, we'd need Barnes to average at least 18 pts, 5 rebounds , 5 assists.

Tough call for me.

[Evantime34]

In general I'd much rather have Love. He is the type of scorer this team needs to take off. I think we might be able to get Love without giving up Thomas or Crowder let alone both, since he will be the scapegoat in the offseason and they will have to move him.

However, with how the question was phrased I'd rather have Thomas and Crowder than Love then go after Barnes.

I think a switch everything lineup of Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Barnes and Amir could produce some really good defense and have enough offense once most of those guys develop.

The Love/Thomas pick and roll/ dribble hand off would be almost impossible to defend though.

[JohnBoy65]

I am not entirely sure we have to send out Crowder and IT for Love. Listen, the Cavs are a mess, and if it doesn't go well for them this summer everyone seems to understand K Love is on the trading block. Doesn't that give the upper hand to everyone BUT the Cavs? I think we would have to part with one of the Brooklyn picks and some other pieces, but not our 2 best players.

[chambers]

I am not entirely sure we have to send out Crowder and IT for Love. Listen, the Cavs are a mess, and if it doesn't go well for them this summer everyone seems to understand K Love is on the trading block. Doesn't that give the upper hand to everyone BUT the Cavs? I think we would have to part with one of the Brooklyn picks and some other pieces, but not our 2 best players.

I get the argument that we may not have to send IT and Crowder, but Love is worth what other teams will offer them.
And I think other teams will offer up value of at least IT +Crowder.
Kevin Love is going to be the best player in the deal, without question.

IMO there will be multiple GM's dying to get their hands on Kevin Love. He's posting great numbers, just not getting enough shots. He's a prisoner of the roster in CLE.
Every GM in the NBA knows that if he got 18-20 shots again like in Minny, that he'd average 25 and 10 without much fuss.

[chambers]

I'm starting to wonder what Danny prefers. To get Love we are basically going to have to give up Crowder and probably IT.
Harrison Barnes is one of Danny's faves and If GSW let's him walk I have no doubt he'll be a Celtic. If that's the case, then what line up do you prefer. Or should I say, what line up gets us closer to a championship?

Option 1: trade for Love sending out Crowder and IT, then trying to sign Barnes at SF with Love here.
Or
Option 2: keep IT and Crowder and sign Barnes at PF this off season.
Which is the better squad?
Why?

IT
Bradley
Crowder
Barnes
Amir

Smart
KO
Brooklyn pick
Celtics pick
Dallas pick
Hunter, Rozier, Mickey, Young

Or

Smart
Bradley
Barnes
Love
Amir

Olynyk
Brooklyn pick
Celtics pick
Dallas pick
Rozier
Hunter
Mickey
Young

Thoughts?

TP for the post altho I mostly disagree.

I already wrote it elsewhere: altho the Cavs seem to have gone bananas lately, I don't think they ll let Love go any time soon.

Per Barnes, he has a two year (and very cheap) contract. GSW would have to trade him but

i/ he is a good fit at a great price so why would they do that?

ii/one wonders what they would ask in return (I do not think we would like it- since Barnes is a good player in a contender  and gets plenty of media attention, he should come with a high price tag attached).

Ofc I would love to give away a part of the ****storm of picks + some of our young talents to get Barnes and if what we are talking about is sthg like our pick + Dallas pick +Sully + RJ Hunter or sthg similar, I would love to see this happen.

Having said this, and since we are talking here of a potential member of the 50-40-90 club I suspect GSW would simply hang up the phone.

PS I read the squads you suggest, but I think it is highly unlike we trade for two players of this caliber in the same season. We would have to give up a lot of our assets (yes, yes, Brooklyn pick included, Smart and Kelly too). After all, why do this with the HUGE 2016 FA coming soon?

Anyway, assuming it is possible, I would obviously go for the line up with Love and Barnes (altho -since we are in the hypotheticals here- I would trade Bradley for a real PG and move Smart to the 2).

Hi greece, hope you're well buddy.
Read this one by Lowe on Barnes. Explains GSW's dilemma about giving him the max.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/harrison-barnes-2016-extension-free-agent/

I actually wouldn't mind Smart at pg because I think he's better with the ball in his hands and putting Bradley next to him would give us that pitbull D infront of Love even after Crowder is gone.

Question is always gonna be: can barnes be a #2 option in a championship team?

[Eddie20]

Barnes
Thomas
Crowder

or


Love


Not sure this is even a debate.

[chambers]

Barnes
Thomas
Crowder

or


Love


Not sure this is even a debate.

You forgot to add Barnes to Love

Thomas
Barnes
Crowder or

Barnes
Love

[TheFlex]

I think the assumption that GSW will let Barnes walk for nothing is extreme. I would be shocked if they would prefer that over dumping Bogut or some of their more expensive 2nd string talent.

[Evantime34]

I think the assumption that GSW will let Barnes walk for nothing is extreme. I would be shocked if they would prefer that over dumping Bogut or some of their more expensive 2nd string talent.

Yeah, I think the only way they let Barnes walk is if Durant shows interest in GSW.

[Rosco917]

I went with Barnes.

You better think long and hard before you trade Crowder and Thomas for Love.

If you like two way players, that play with urgency. You'll be disappointed.

That's the point of the thread I guess.
I like Barnes, but neither he, Thomas or Crowder will ever put up 25 pts 10 rebounds a game.
So what's the better combo for a championship. An undersized *almost* elite one way player/ scorer and 2 elite defenders with solid offensive impact, or a truly elite top 5 nba scorer and rebounder surrounded by elite/great defenders to help on D?

I like top 20 players that are capable of averaging 25 points 10 rebounds on solid efficiency, and I like getting those guys at a low price when they're stuck in a bad basketball situation.
I would absolutely hate to give up Crowder but for a 27 year old Love I'd have to with Brad Stevens at the helm.

I'd also be ecstatic with an IT, Crowder,  Barnes, Bradley, Amir starting unit.
With that line up though, we'd need Barnes to average at least 18 pts, 5 rebounds , 5 assists.

Tough call for me.

I see your point, I'm not sure Love is that 25 and 10 guy any longer even at the young age of 27. Yes, the guy is a talent no doubt. I just don't see a player that wants to be the main man any more. I don't see a tough minded player in Love. Never mind his lack of effort on D.

I'd rather see Barnes, matched with another top 25 guy that plays on both sides of the ball.