Interesting BBALLBREAKDOWN take on Blatt Firing

[Yenohb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbO_505V3Uo

Lebron haters you're gonna love this.

[danglertx]

Wow, that was good for Lebron haters.  DMC like effort.  Of course he doesn't get called out like DMC.

[CelticPride2016]

Thanks for the video. LeBron, imho, is the wrestling part of the NBA since he is always protected by the refs. It's nice to see that he is not being rewarded for taunting the basketball gods. They threw away Wiggins. LeBron is getting up there in age, finally.

If I'm Danny, I am more likely to try for fireworks. The funny poster shaq attack said we could be patient because LeBron is going nowhere for a while at dominating the conference. Now I am not so sure. I remember LeBron also pushing Spoelstra and quitting as a Cavalier when our last Big Three consistently ruined his title aspirations.

[celticsclay]

Wow. That video footage from the portland game. I don't think even the most Lebron ardent supporter can defend that effort level. He should have been suspended for a game or two for that.

[KeepRondo]

I kind of agree with the new direction the Cavs are going. I'm not sure they have enough time to get in shape or implement their up tempo style fast enough but it's their only chance.

The most unstoppable play from those Miami years was Lebron on the break. Love is also a great outlet passer. This could be a game changer if it works.

[guava_wrench]

I have to agree with the questions about conditioning. It is hard to up pace midseason.

[celticsclay]

isn't their biggest problem defense though? I am starting to wonder if a team like Chicago would just end up beating them in the playoffs at this rate.

[KeepRondo]

I have to agree with the questions about conditioning. It is hard to up pace midseason.

I will say that I was an all New England half miler when I was in High School and ran in College also. It would only take 2 months of intense workouts to get into optimal shape. But that included 12-15 mile runs and crazy 400 splits with little rest, repeated a crazy number of times. It certainly is possible. Just a matter of desire from the players.

[celticsclay]

I have to agree with the questions about conditioning. It is hard to up pace midseason.

I will say that I was an all New England half miler when I was in High School and ran in College also. It would only take 2 months of intense workouts to get into optimal shape. But that included 12-15 mile runs and crazy 400 splits with little rest, repeated a crazy number of times. It certainly is possible. Just a matter of desire from the players.

Yea but you weren't getting slammed around by 270 pound men 4 times a week and flying all over the country (or were you?)

[KeepRondo]

I have to agree with the questions about conditioning. It is hard to up pace midseason.

I will say that I was an all New England half miler when I was in High School and ran in College also. It would only take 2 months of intense workouts to get into optimal shape. But that included 12-15 mile runs and crazy 400 splits with little rest, repeated a crazy number of times. It certainly is possible. Just a matter of desire from the players.

Yea but you weren't getting slammed around by 270 pound men 4 times a week and flying all over the country (or were you?)

In college we were traveling a lot during cross country season and the workouts were brutal. You had to be in good enough shape to hit 5 minute mile intervals 5 times to be close to winning. The best I could do was hold on for the first 3 miles to this pace before falling off. Probably the most knock you out feeling I have ever had. Although I usually puked after my half mile races which is basically a straight sprint for a half mile. I'm pretty sure playing an uptempo bball game would had felt like a cool down to what I did running.

My bad for reminiscing. Just saying that I know the work that needs to be done. It's possible in 2 months.

[celticsclay]

I have to agree with the questions about conditioning. It is hard to up pace midseason.

I will say that I was an all New England half miler when I was in High School and ran in College also. It would only take 2 months of intense workouts to get into optimal shape. But that included 12-15 mile runs and crazy 400 splits with little rest, repeated a crazy number of times. It certainly is possible. Just a matter of desire from the players.

Yea but you weren't getting slammed around by 270 pound men 4 times a week and flying all over the country (or were you?)

In college we were traveling a lot during cross country season and the workouts were brutal. You had to be in good enough shape to hit 5 minute mile intervals 5 times to be close to winning. The best I could do was hold on for the first 3 miles to this pace before falling off. Probably the most knock you out feeling I have ever had. Although I usually puked after my half mile races which is basically a straight sprint for a half mile. I'm pretty sure playing an uptempo bball game would had felt like a cool down to what I did running.

My bad for reminiscing. Just saying that I know the work that needs to be done. It's possible in 2 months.

No it sounds like you were doing incredibly grueling workouts so hats off to you for that. I wasn't trying to make light of how strenuous your workouts, so sorry if it came off like that. My larger point was that I have long read  that NBA players usually actually lose muscle over the course of the season  and it really isn't possible to play your way into shape. For most players, if they come into camp out of shape it impacts the the entire season no matter how hard they work. You couple that with the kinds of injuries these guys have and that they already have certain players (shumpert, irving) coming off surgery and it seems impossible to believe they could actually improve their fitness mid-season without risking injuries or other things.

[manl_lui]

that's an interesting video, regardless of what you believe, I am interested in seeing Blatt coach the 76ers. They are young enough and doesn't have much players with enormous egos on the Cavs and probably not a superstar "yet" on that team who have the power to have the coach removed. I think in that situation you can really see how well he can coach a team, and develop players.

[KeepRondo]

I have to agree with the questions about conditioning. It is hard to up pace midseason.

I will say that I was an all New England half miler when I was in High School and ran in College also. It would only take 2 months of intense workouts to get into optimal shape. But that included 12-15 mile runs and crazy 400 splits with little rest, repeated a crazy number of times. It certainly is possible. Just a matter of desire from the players.

Yea but you weren't getting slammed around by 270 pound men 4 times a week and flying all over the country (or were you?)

In college we were traveling a lot during cross country season and the workouts were brutal. You had to be in good enough shape to hit 5 minute mile intervals 5 times to be close to winning. The best I could do was hold on for the first 3 miles to this pace before falling off. Probably the most knock you out feeling I have ever had. Although I usually puked after my half mile races which is basically a straight sprint for a half mile. I'm pretty sure playing an uptempo bball game would had felt like a cool down to what I did running.

My bad for reminiscing. Just saying that I know the work that needs to be done. It's possible in 2 months.

No it sounds like you were doing incredibly grueling workouts so hats off to you for that. I wasn't trying to make light of how strenuous your workouts, so sorry if it came off like that. My larger point was that I have long read  that NBA players usually actually lose muscle over the course of the season  and it really isn't possible to play your way into shape. For most players, if they come into camp out of shape it impacts the the entire season no matter how hard they work. You couple that with the kinds of injuries these guys have and that they already have certain players (shumpert, irving) coming off surgery and it seems impossible to believe they could actually improve their fitness mid-season without risking injuries or other things.

Oh I didn't think you were. Just saw that you were looking at it from another angle. I can tell you that we also lifted every other day in college. And this was often times after doing a 12 mile run. Obviously not lifting to the same extent as NBA players do.

I do think it is possible. We also did two a days. I also would tell you there's no way I would ever put myself through any of those workouts now.

[KeepRondo]

that's an interesting video, regardless of what you believe, I am interested in seeing Blatt coach the 76ers. They are young enough and doesn't have much players with enormous egos on the Cavs and probably not a superstar "yet" on that team who have the power to have the coach removed. I think in that situation you can really see how well he can coach a team, and develop players.

I agree. It would be a fun story line to see if he could succeed with another team.

[Monkhouse]

I think the main issue is the fact that everyone had such a high volume of expectations from Blatt.

Its even surprising based on the video/evidence that Coach Nick has given us without professional bias, (although he does say Kawhi has surpassed LBJ as the best player, questionable no?) that clearly Blatt was never ever meant to succeed.

1) Mark Jackson was apparently the coach to be hired, but the GM of the Cavaliers and President didn't really like Jackson's comments, and egregious attitude to GSW after his dismissal, which was understandable. So its definitely auspicious as soon as Blatt gets fired, that Tyron Lue gets a 3 year, and one of the most lucrative head coaching contracts with absolutely no head coaching experience. I know we were all sad to see him go, but is he a head coach? I can name a few coaches that I would take over him.

2) Problem of having such high expectations for a coach who is well known to preach defense, ball movement, and ensuring chemistry within the team, is the respect given and earned. I think Blatt felt like he wasn't the coach with the NBA experience, or the gritty style that most NBA players respect. I don't think Blatt was ever respected by Lebron; ever. He took them to the Finals, and everyone says its so easy with that Big 3, but they did a pretty good job, and held out as much as they could.

3) I am very disappointed with Lebron, because it definitely seems like as Coach Nick says, that Blatt was never ever given a chance from the start. It seems like honestly Blatt got hired, and the Cavs never expected Lebron to come back, so there wasn't any pressure to win a title. With that being said, they should've just hired a new coach in the beginning of the season, or after the Finals. I didn't understand why they would do it now. They were looking for a scapegoat, and it was either Love or Blatt. Its only more surprising that players expected a Love trade than a David Blatt firing, so while chemistry in the locker room is always 3/4 on the coach, Lebron is also the leader and the best player, so why wasn't he acting professional, and trying to bring the team together, instead of vying against the coach's best interests?

4) My respect for Lebron has never been that high. I always disliked him. This only increases my hatred for him as a basketball player, and while he is a top 3 SF, I never liked how Lebron pushed  Blatt out. And I won't be surprised when Blatt goes to the 76ers or the Nets, and actually makes the team look good, or promising. He was a well respected and driven coach in the Euro-league, and if there was any coach like him with the chance of succeeding in the NBA as a head coach, I would pick him as my top 3 candidate.