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Keep Amir next year, assuming no free agent bigs sign here.

Yes keep him.
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Step into my office Amir, Your fired!
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Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2016, 08:14:53 PM »

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 I can't see keeping him at 12 million. He's solid but to much money for me.

Won't his contract next year be the last year? It is potentially a valuable trading chip, and the money that FAs this offseason are going to get is going to be ridiculous. Amir will seem like a bargain. Bank it.
Agreed. However, next year is non-guaranteed so it is a valuable contract right now.

Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2016, 08:23:04 PM »

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 Yeah but we can trade Bradley plus fillers too.

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Nice try. That made me laugh.  ;D

Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2016, 08:49:47 PM »

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$12m isn't too expensive for his production, given cap increase. However, it'll depend on the C's other personnel decisions. Do they bring back Sully? Do they sign a FA big, or trade for one? Do they draft Bender or Simmons? Do they need Amir as a trade chip?

I think Ainge would be happy to bring him back at that price - he's played well this year. But who knows whether it will make sense or not.

Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2016, 08:56:32 PM »

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Sometimes I think people don't realize just how many rookie contract players are likely to be on this team next year.

We can't afford to keep giving 20-30 minutes a night to journeyman vets who won't be in the league 5 years from now, while players we selected with first round draft picks are spending the season in the D-League.
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Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2016, 09:19:31 PM »

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Sometimes I think people don't realize just how many rookie contract players are likely to be on this team next year.

We can't afford to keep giving 20-30 minutes a night to journeyman vets who won't be in the league 5 years from now, while players we selected with first round draft picks are spending the season in the D-League.

Amir Johnson is not a journeyman vet and he will be in the league 5 years from now.
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Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2016, 09:21:57 PM »

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Sometimes I think people don't realize just how many rookie contract players are likely to be on this team next year.

We can't afford to keep giving 20-30 minutes a night to journeyman vets who won't be in the league 5 years from now, while players we selected with first round draft picks are spending the season in the D-League.

Sometimes I think people don't realize how many rookie contract players will be on the team next year, and how the C's won't be able to reach the cap even if they cut Amir in training camp after having guaranteed him $12 million.
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Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2016, 09:35:36 PM »

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Depends. We could find someone better in the summer FA but 12 mill under the new salary cap for a serviceable big man is not an awful lot of money and it's only for one year.

My guess as things are now is that we keep him, esp. if we pass on Sully.

Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2016, 09:41:08 PM »

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Amir at 12 mill or Jordan Mickey at one is no question to me. Especially with all the draft picks.

I take Amir at 12, easily.
For a ten percent upgrade?
Ten percent? Come on...

Amir is an experienced veteran with a solid NBA career.

You people glorifying Mickey for his D-League performances just wait till he gets real playing time.

It will be the James Young drama all over again  :P

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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2016, 09:46:04 PM »

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Sometimes I think people don't realize just how many rookie contract players are likely to be on this team next year.

We can't afford to keep giving 20-30 minutes a night to journeyman vets who won't be in the league 5 years from now, while players we selected with first round draft picks are spending the season in the D-League.

Why not? There are alternatives like sending them overseas a la Marcus Thornton or (obviously) the D League. Or trading the picks like we tried to do last year.

I mean, you are right to bring up this issue, since indeed we have a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.storm of rookie contracts, but this should not be the main consideration when designing our rotation.

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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2016, 09:02:52 AM »

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Sometimes I think people don't realize just how many rookie contract players are likely to be on this team next year.

We can't afford to keep giving 20-30 minutes a night to journeyman vets who won't be in the league 5 years from now, while players we selected with first round draft picks are spending the season in the D-League.

Of course we can.  I would argue that we can less afford to be giving almost all the team's minutes to guys on rookie contracts.

You need a healthy dose of experienced players to win in the NBA.  Amir Johnson's numbers or game aren't flashy, but he's a very valuable, and in my opinion underrated, pro.

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Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2016, 09:21:24 AM »

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Sometimes I think people don't realize just how many rookie contract players are likely to be on this team next year.

We can't afford to keep giving 20-30 minutes a night to journeyman vets who won't be in the league 5 years from now, while players we selected with first round draft picks are spending the season in the D-League.

Of course we can.  I would argue that we can less afford to be giving almost all the team's minutes to guys on rookie contracts.

You need a healthy dose of experienced players to win in the NBA.  Amir Johnson's numbers or game aren't flashy, but he's a very valuable, and in my opinion underrated, pro.

It is one thing this year when we are only wasting the development time of four players. Next year that number could double. More than half the roster, not counting Smart.

A draft pick is an investment. Hoarding all the draft picks is nice in theory but eventually you have to trade them or develop them. You have to invest playing time in your draft picks. Yes, that means your team will be worse in the short term. Sorry, that's rebuilding.
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Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2016, 09:23:41 AM »

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Amir at 12 mill or Jordan Mickey at one is no question to me. Especially with all the draft picks.

I take Amir at 12, easily.
For a ten percent upgrade?
Ten percent? Come on...

Amir is an experienced veteran with a solid NBA career.

You people glorifying Mickey for his D-League performances just wait till he gets real playing time.

It will be the James Young drama all over again  :P
When Amir leaves the floor is there some big drop off I'm not aware of? At one point Amir was a young guy too. He was a 2nd rounder right? So Lee is gone, he is gone, we draft at the position with one of our many many picks. The idea that we're gonna just fall in the tank because Amir isn't here is silly

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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2016, 09:55:35 AM »

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I'd have very little qualms about bringing him back. 


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Re: Poll: To keep or not to keep, Amir at 12m next year
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2016, 10:21:41 AM »

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Depends entirely on Danny's success in recruiting FAs. If they can't use their cap space, they'll keep him -- which I assume has been the plan all along.
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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2016, 10:34:06 AM »

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Depends entirely on Danny's success in recruiting FAs. If they can't use their cap space, they'll keep him -- which I assume has been the plan all along.

The problem with this thinking pattern is that Danny has only 2 days to make that type of decision (2 days in which only verbal agreements can be made), and I very much doubt that in 2 days Danny will have exhausted, or even made his minimal due diligence, to properly analyze market opportunities.

The smart play is simply to renounce Johnson, and if nothing shakes up, then try to sign him once again if he's still available. If we lose him, we lose him, and we move on. Not a big loss. I'd rather Ainge has all the advantages he can get in the free-agency market rather than hinder him with a $12 Million contract.