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Re: Drummond 13-36 from line last night.
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2016, 07:28:37 PM »

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Wasn't he 13 of the last 16 though? Talk about hot and cold ft shooter

Re: Drummond 13-36 from line last night.
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2016, 07:30:43 PM »

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Obviously missing free throws isn't enough of a penalty for teams to take these guys off the court so I think there needs to be a greater penalty, like personal fouls being assessed to you if your free throw percentage is below a certain amount after 10 trips to the line.

since they are intentional fouling these guys, they could interpret them as ...wait for it  ...Intentional Fouls?

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2016, 07:32:02 PM »

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I saw this topic title and thought "36 REBOUNDS?!!!!?!?!?"
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2016, 07:46:42 PM »

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I saw this topic title and thought "36 REBOUNDS?!!!!?!?!?"

Nope. Only 23.

Re: Drummond 13-36 from line last night.
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2016, 07:52:22 PM »

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Wasn't he 13 of the last 16 though? Talk about hot and cold ft shooter

he definitely wasnt.  I couldnt tell if you were trying to funny.  the previous game he was 3-10 from the line
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Re: Drummond 13-36 from line last night.
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2016, 08:14:18 PM »

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This garbage has no place in the game...it's disgraceful. One shot and the ball, multiple intentional fouls of this nature result in a technical foul on the coach.

I hope the League does something about this finally. It's pathetic.

I understand your point, but where do you draw the line?

Ultimately when you play basketball, the whole idea is that you want to force the opponent to play to their weaknesses.  Is hacking a guy like Drummond (to force him to shoot free throws) really all that different, in concept, than playing way off Rajon Rondo and forcing him to take jumpers?

Or is it all that different to a team putting a taller guy on Isaiah Thomas and abusing him on post-ups every time? 

It seems dirty I know, but at the end of the day that's the penalty you get for having a guy on the court who is completely incapable at one aspect of the game.  It forces the Pistons to consider their strategy - do they keep Drummond in their for his rebounding and defense, or are his FT issues too big a liability?

As long as the teams aren't fouling him in ways that threaten to injure him, it's kinda hard to argue against it.

If you make a rule against fouling a guy like Drummond in this way, then how can you not outlaw teams fouling at the end of games to stop the clock?  It's still intentional fouling, so how is that any different? 

It definitely hurts the game, but at the end of the day outlawing it would be opening up a whole big can of worms.

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2016, 08:43:08 PM »

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This garbage has no place in the game...it's disgraceful. One shot and the ball, multiple intentional fouls of this nature result in a technical foul on the coach.

I hope the League does something about this finally. It's pathetic.

Or players learn to shoot their FREE throws.

The only thing pathetic is the utter inability of so many guys to make free throws.

Personally, I love watching it transpire.

The look of frustration from the brick layer amuses me.

Bottom line:

You are in the NBA. You have no excuse to average under 65% from the line.

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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2016, 08:45:20 PM »

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I find it funny so many fans want to die upon the hill of the most boring part of the game and a single part of a game that encompasses many skills.  Free throws shouldn't allow an entire game to be ruined.

Change the rules.  Ziller's piece today is a perfectly reasonable and simple solution.

Also some of your "he's just lazy he doesn't work on free throws and the team is intentionally not caring about free throws" type narratives are pretty funny.  As if these guys are not working on their games and can't figure out free throws exist.

In your opinion.

I think it is part of the game. I find it entertaining, and I think people should stop trying to change the game because a few guys suck at free throws and coaches aren't willing to take them out.

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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2016, 08:49:13 PM »

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I'd still take him.

Re: Drummond 13-36 from line last night.
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2016, 09:49:28 PM »

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well, it is not unprecedented to change the rules to preserve the game, though usually this is done to limit the ability of a dominating player or team or tactic. the point is that if someone comes along and makes the game less enjoyable or watchable, it behooves the sport to change the rules.

rules are, after all, arbitrary to begin with.

some examples include:

Leroy Edwards, they created the 3 second rule to limit him down in the post.

George Mikan, his shot blocking resulted the goal tending rule.

Wilt Chamberlain, free throw plane. it is now illegal to dunk free throws (cross the plane in the front of the free throw circle), it wasnt that way illegal originally. they also widened the foul lane and instituted offensive goal tending since he was making a farce out of games.

Kareen Abdul Jabar (Lew Alcindor) was so dominate and dunked so easily in college that the NCAA banned dunking for years.

now, basketball could have simply said "these are the rules and if other teams cannot adjust to such dominate players, it is too bad." but it would have made the game far less interesting to most fans and the sport would have suffered.

oh, one non-basketball example is in hockey, when a team on the power play scores, the penalized team's player comes out of the penalty box. wasnt always that way and originally the penalized players had to stay in the box the full penalty time.

but the montreal canadians with rocket richard et al were simply sooooo dominating that they were creaming other teams on a nightly basis when the canadians had a man advantage.



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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2016, 09:52:34 PM »

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I find it funny so many fans want to die upon the hill of the most boring part of the game and a single part of a game that encompasses many skills.  Free throws shouldn't allow an entire game to be ruined.

Change the rules.  Ziller's piece today is a perfectly reasonable and simple solution.

Also some of your "he's just lazy he doesn't work on free throws and the team is intentionally not caring about free throws" type narratives are pretty funny.  As if these guys are not working on their games and can't figure out free throws exist.

In your opinion.

I think it is part of the game. I find it entertaining, and I think people should stop trying to change the game because a few guys suck at free throws and coaches aren't willing to take them out.

Uh.. thanks for telling me my opinion was an opinion?


well, it is not unprecedented to change the rules to preserve the game, though usually this is done to limit the ability of a dominating player or team or tactic. the point is that if someone comes along and makes the game less enjoyable or watchable, it behooves the sport to change the rules.




Yes and lots of other examples in other sports. 

Football is a huge one. 

But of course, can't change this sacred game even if it is becoming unwatchable!  And it has been changed a whole bunch of times in the past.  Who cares about the changes in hand checking that entirely changed perimeter defense, FREE THROWS!!!
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Re: Drummond 13-36 from line last night.
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2016, 10:00:30 PM »

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On the bright side 13/36 is improvement on his season's performance.

13/36 = 36.1%
117/330 = 35.5%

Amazingly consistent actually.

Drummond is 35 free throw attempts shy of his career season high of 365 with just under half of a season left.

 
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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2016, 10:18:35 PM »

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Players getting paid millions they should make their free throws IMO. 55% is atrocious.

But when opposing teams intentionally foul like nonstop to ruin the game, a player or a coach needs to be assessed a technical foul.


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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2016, 10:28:53 PM »

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This strategy needs to be encouraged because I am highly entertained by crybaby fans throwing online hissy fits because of it.
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2016, 10:31:33 PM »

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The problem with making a rule to stop this is it will be another questionable judgement call made by officials.  You'll also have situations where guys will just give him a real fouls instead of the light intentional grab and that could result in injuries.  It's not like teams do this every game, I think guys gotta learn to shoot free throws. I'm about 6'10 and I can hit my free throws and lots of guys taller than me can shoot.  This is good for the future of the game because kids will work at it younger, we might not enjoy it now but I don't want to see a game where every free throw is missed.