Whether you like Sully personality wise that's a whole other debate. I don't know him personally so it's hard to judge his character. He seems to have motivation issues for sure though. I don't blame him sometimes with the amount of criticism he gets.
You don't have to know him personally to see the character issue.
His inability to keep in shape, even after his boss (DA) has asked him to on multiple occasions, suggests a lack of drive and motivation.
His tendency to pick up flagrant/technical fouls along with the prior domestic violence case suggests he is impulsive and lacks self control
His tendency to force bad contested when the game is on the line suggests a lack of focus and discipline.
His tendency to make claims and not keep them (such as claims of losing weight and claims of cutting down on shooting threes) suggests he's not a man of his word, and cannot be depended on to back up his words.
Then there was the recent game in which he was sulking after he got benched, which suggests a lack of respect for coaching staff and selfishness.
Sully's own father has been publicly cited calling out him out and telling him he has to get his butt in line.
Nobody is perfect and every player/person has mental flaws, but Sully just seems to have way to many of them. He just doesn't seem to have the mental strength of the drive to excel as a professional athlete. Maybe one day he'll snap out of it and that will change, and I hope it does. But he's been this way for far too long, and I wouldn't want to be the one to gamble millions of dollars on the hope that something clicks.
As far as being more versatile I said Mickey was more versatile than Amir. Not Sully.
I think Mickey has a lot of potential. Not sure how good he will become, but he seems to have a lot of skills/talents that could translate in this league. I'm exited to see him develop.
But earlier you were arguing that you'd rather have Sully than Amir, and that Sully is a better player than Amir, and your reasoning behind this seems to have been Amir's lack of versatility.
If you believe Amir lacks the versatility to start, but believe Sully could start, then that kinda suggests that you think Sully has the versatility that Amir lacks? Or am I reading in to it too much?
Sully is a physical post defender who can keep more physical players away from the basket. He can bully other big men inside as well. He is the only player we have like that currently.
That's a fair point, and he does USUALLY do a better job than most when defending physical guys. Trouble is that anytime he's against somebody who isn't physical, he seems to struggle.
Against Dallas the other day, KO was doing a brilliant job against Dirk. When Sully came in, Dirk absolutely slaughtered him. It was embarassing.
From memory it was a similar situation the other day against Marc Gasol - Olynyk and Amir were making his life incredibly difficult, but he seemed to have no problems dominating Sully.
There have been times where we've been unable to contain more physical bigs, and then Sully has come in and done a really good job on them. But he seems to be very inconsistent in that regard, because other times they have a field day with him.
I honestly question a lot of your reasoning here because a lot of you seem to just want to get rid of a guy for the sake of getting rid of a player we drafted. No matter who we are trading him for.
As I said earlier, we have too many bigs. It's creating a problem for us. We need to get rid of some of them, so that we can have a more stable rotation and guys can get more consistent minutes. Also so that we can have the opportunity to give Mickey some proper minutes.
We only have three bigs on the team who are on expiring contracts, and hence are easy to offload. They are Lee, Zeller and Sully.
Of those three players, Sully has the highest trade value and is likely the one we are most likely to get a decent return for. Lee is probably most valuable to us as an expiring contrct, and Zeller isn't going to get much of a return anywhere.
Sully's agent has also already announced that he will not accept an extension for anything less than the Max. That's not speculation, that is was his agent actually said. This gives the indication that out of Zeller and Sully, Sully is the one most likely to turn down an offer and sign with another team.
With Zeller he hasn't played many minutes this year, so he hasn't gotten a lot of exposure. There is still a chance he might have hidden potential that is yet to be exposed, and there's still a chance that (like Crowder) he is willing to sign a cheap extension since the market for him isn't that big.
Sully on the other hand is a sure thing - we all know what player he is, and what he can do, and so do other teams. He's much less likely to return here on the cheap, and much more likely to walk away for a bigger paycheck.
Put all this together, and it makes more sense to trade Sully rather than Zeller.
Sully as it stands is a very capable player particularly as a rebounder. And as a post defender. He also has offensive skills although he isn't very efficient right now. You guys want to trade him for Zach Lavine like you'd do that in a heartbeat. That logic is so flawed it's absurd. So is dieng for that matter as it stands. We might be able to do better than that and keep Sully.
Why is the logic flawed?
Zach Lavine is a 6'5" combo guard with elite athleticism who is averaging 18/5/5 Per 36 Minutes and is still only 20 years old.
His potential is so far above Sully's that it's not even funny, which is why Minnesota would probably laugh hysterically at us if we offer them Sully for him in a trade.
Gorgeui Dieng is an athletic 7-footer who is averaging 12/10/2 along with 50% FG and 86% FT and would offer us a potential long term solution at the center spot for years to come. With his rebounding, rim protection and his ability to finish inside, he'd be the perfect complement to somebody like Kelly Olynyk.
What is it about this logic, exactly, that is so flawed?
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