Who gets the boot

[walker834]

If you are considering our current core of players who is out?  I don't think decisions need to be made on guys like Sully or KO.  Smart. Bradley. Isaiah. Crowder etc.   I think as it stands we can bring Mickey in and give him time with our current bigs.  Lee doesnt have to play and Amir isn't going to be here forever eitehr where Mickey might get a shot over him ultimately. Either Sully or KO might need to be moved.   I think our guard situation is muddier with players like Rozier who might demand time eventually. With all these draft picks we are more than likely going to have to make room for 3 or so impact players in the next few years.

For now Lee, Turner and Zeller are all out after this year imo.  I don't think we have to make any moves as it stands.  Mannix was saying Ainge might want to add a shooter around the deadline to help our hopes this year.  I don't know though.  Hunter and Young really need to hit shots and haven't done anything.  Isaiah, BRadley and Crowder have been playing about as well as they can.  I still feel like Bradley's passing can get better and Crowder can be more consistant with his shot though.  Isaiah needs to get calls and get to the line more and keep moving the ball.   I think the guys who can really improve for us down the stretch are KO and Smart and they need to be given a shot to do that.  Sully needs to hit shots. 

I don't think Ainge has to make any major changes or decisions with this roster right now but something might come along that makes sense .

[otherdave]

For now Lee, Turner and Zeller are all out after this year imo. 

I would be tempted to add Sully to this list.  I would not be surprised to see Sully get a rather large offer this summer that Danny will not want to match.

[PhoSita]

I'm ready to move on from Sully.  Can't afford to carry an undersized center with such poor offensive efficiency, and I don't trust his back long term.

Zeller I could take or leave but I think he's a competent backup center who stays healthy and shouldn't cost them much.  Would be an asset on a reasonable deal.

Bradley and Olynyk I like but wouldn't mind moving them if it helps grease the wheels on a deal.

Thomas and Crowder are the mainstays of the team right now, and should form the basis for what the Celts try to do moving forward.  Put them next to a couple of All-Star caliber talents and we'll be in business.   If trading either or both of them is absolutely necessary to get a can't-miss talent, so be it.

Smart is more valuable to the team right now than he is as a trade chip.  Trading him anytime soon would likely be selling low, which smart teams do not do.  I think he'll stay for another year or two.

Turner -- I'm ready to move on, have been ready since the summer.

Lee -- gone.

Amir & Jerebko -- Both nice players but we need to clear up playing time to develop younger guys.  Both of these guys have nowhere to go but down in terms of their production.


Young, Hunter, Rozier, Mickey -- Need to actually develop them with real NBA playing time.  Could include them in a trade to grease the wheels but I don't like trading guys before they've had a chance to develop at all.

[Csfan1984]

I'd do Sully, Crowder, Zeller and JJ for Love right now.
Then try Lee + all three first this year for Cousins.
Let Hunter, Young and Turner play SF rest of the year.

IT/Smart/Rozier
AB/Hunter
Turner/Young
Love/AJ/Mickey
Cousins/KO

Sign Barnes in offseason?

[Evantime34]

I'm ready to move on from Sully.  Can't afford to carry an undersized center with such poor offensive efficiency, and I don't trust his back long term.

Zeller I could take or leave but I think he's a competent backup center who stays healthy and shouldn't cost them much.  Would be an asset on a reasonable deal.

Bradley and Olynyk I like but wouldn't mind moving them if it helps grease the wheels on a deal.

Thomas and Crowder are the mainstays of the team right now, and should form the basis for what the Celts try to do moving forward.  Put them next to a couple of All-Star caliber talents and we'll be in business.   If trading either or both of them is absolutely necessary to get a can't-miss talent, so be it.

Smart is more valuable to the team right now than he is as a trade chip.  Trading him anytime soon would likely be selling low, which smart teams do not do.  I think he'll stay for another year or two.

Turner -- I'm ready to move on, have been ready since the summer.

Lee -- gone.

Amir & Jerebko -- Both nice players but we need to clear up playing time to develop younger guys.  Both of these guys have nowhere to go but down in terms of their production.


Young, Hunter, Rozier, Mickey -- Need to actually develop them with real NBA playing time.  Could include them in a trade to grease the wheels but I don't like trading guys before they've had a chance to develop at all.

Agree with all of this besides Amir. I want to keep him unless we are upgrading his spot with a quality free agent like Horford.

If we clear out Jerebko, Lee, Sully, and Zeller then there is plenty of time to develop young guys and still keep Horford.

[greece66]

Pho  I largely agree with what you wrote. IT and Crowder are the most valuable as of now; Sully is disappointing now, esp. considering this is a contract year. But as you, in the final analysis all depends on what the return of a potential trade will be.

Just two things, I value Amir more than you suggest. I mean, we all know he is p old, but Amir is quite valuable to us now, probably more to us than to most other teams.  Ofc it all depends on both sides agreeing but given that he is a good fit (and there doesnt seem to be a great demand for him) I don't see many reasons for him not to stay.

Also, we have a certain shooting guard named Marcus Thornton somewhere in Australia. Sure, he is not our greatest asset, and he is already 22 yo, but there is a small chance something will come out of this. My impression is that ppl would pay more attention to him if he played in the D-League (cf Mickey), but there are plenty of cases that 45 nr picks were converted to serviceable NBA players.

[greece66]

I'm ready to move on from Sully.  Can't afford to carry an undersized center with such poor offensive efficiency, and I don't trust his back long term.

Zeller I could take or leave but I think he's a competent backup center who stays healthy and shouldn't cost them much.  Would be an asset on a reasonable deal.

Bradley and Olynyk I like but wouldn't mind moving them if it helps grease the wheels on a deal.

Thomas and Crowder are the mainstays of the team right now, and should form the basis for what the Celts try to do moving forward.  Put them next to a couple of All-Star caliber talents and we'll be in business.   If trading either or both of them is absolutely necessary to get a can't-miss talent, so be it.

Smart is more valuable to the team right now than he is as a trade chip.  Trading him anytime soon would likely be selling low, which smart teams do not do.  I think he'll stay for another year or two.

Turner -- I'm ready to move on, have been ready since the summer.

Lee -- gone.

Amir & Jerebko -- Both nice players but we need to clear up playing time to develop younger guys.  Both of these guys have nowhere to go but down in terms of their production.


Young, Hunter, Rozier, Mickey -- Need to actually develop them with real NBA playing time.  Could include them in a trade to grease the wheels but I don't like trading guys before they've had a chance to develop at all.

Agree with all of this besides Amir. I want to keep him unless we are upgrading his spot with a quality free agent like Horford.

If we clear out Jerebko, Lee, Sully, and Zeller then there is plenty of time to develop young guys and still keep Horford.

Jeez we wrote this almost exactly at the same time 

TP for the speed

[Evantime34]

Pho  I largely agree with what you wrote. IT and Crowder are the most valuable as of now; Sully is disappointing now, esp. considering this is a contract year. But as you, in the final analysis all depends on what the return of a potential trade will be.

Just two things, I value Amir more than you suggest. I mean, we all know he is p old, but Amir is quite valuable to us now, probably more to us than to most other teams.  Ofc it all depends on both sides agreeing but given that he is a good fit (and there doesnt seem to be a great demand for him) I don't see many reasons for him not to stay.

Also, we have a certain shooting guard named Marcus Thornton somewhere in Australia. Sure, he is not our greatest asset, and he is already 22 yo, but there is a small chance something will come out of this. My impression is that ppl would pay more attention to him if he played in the D-League (cf Mickey), but there are plenty of cases that 45 nr picks were converted to serviceable NBA players.

TP for being like minded.

[otherdave]

Just two things, I value Amir more than you suggest. I mean, we all know he is p old, but Amir is quite valuable to us now, probably more to us than to most other teams.  Ofc it all depends on both sides agreeing but given that he is a good fit (and there doesnt seem to be a great demand for him) I don't see many reasons for him not to stay.

Agreed - I think it would be prudent to bring back Amir for one more year unless we get a real upgrade.  We can find minutes for Jordan and Amir - remember Lee, and probably Sully and Zeller gone next year (or maybe Zeller riding the  bench again?)

[Donoghus]

Guys I could live without next season;  Lee, Sullinger, Turner, Young, & Zeller.

[PhoSita]

If we clear out Jerebko, Lee, Sully, and Zeller then there is plenty of time to develop young guys and still keep Horford.

I'd rather just keep Zeller and let Amir go.  Zeller can probably be signed for 8-10 million per year if not less, and he'll be a better trade chip than Amir on an expiring deal.

[PhoSita]

Just two things, I value Amir more than you suggest. I mean, we all know he is p old, but Amir is quite valuable to us now, probably more to us than to most other teams.  Ofc it all depends on both sides agreeing but given that he is a good fit (and there doesnt seem to be a great demand for him) I don't see many reasons for him not to stay.

I like Amir fine; he's helping the team right now.

I just believe he is in the process of significant decline, which makes him very much a win-now player.  I don't think he's much of a trade chip either.  I think the team should prioritize player development right now over giving time to role players in decline that help the team win a few more games and maybe make the playoffs.

[Evantime34]

If we clear out Jerebko, Lee, Sully, and Zeller then there is plenty of time to develop young guys and still keep Horford.

I'd rather just keep Zeller and let Amir go.  Zeller can probably be signed for 8-10 million per year if not less, and he'll be a better trade chip than Amir on an expiring deal.

Yeah, I think Zeller is trash and really shouldn't be any higher on the depth chart than the 5th big. I'd rather see Mickey get Zeller's minutes. If we resign Zeller at all I won't be happy (since we have all the draft picks I'd rather give his roster spot to a younger player). I bet you can tell what I think of him as a trade chip.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Now I have "Roots Radicals" stuck in my head

[walker834]

I still like Sully's rebounding on this team.  We may be able to find a better rebounder ultimately if we get a big time center, but he is far and away our best one. He needs to hit shots with more consistency though.

KO i still see his potential here but he has to play with a better mindset.

RJ, Young, Rozier still have potential here as scorers and shooters.  I still like Rozier overall as a guy who can maybe supplant one of our guards down the road.  young would be the guy to go here right now but he's still very young where the return might not outweigh the potential there.

Zeller i'm not sure what his potential is here except as a guy with length who can play behind KO.  He's a decent backup center potentially but i'm not sure i really see his potential here. He's on this team for a reason because there's a possibility we might like someone like that but I don't think his upside warrents a roster spot.  We can do better than Zeller.

Lee has done an ok job considering his playing time but I don't really see where he fits here after this year.  He's not very good anymore and he's been good as a leader in the lockerroom and good job.  He could play better, but he's not getting playing time regardless. 

Turner has been great imo.  I like Turner. He's done everything asked and is role guy who can really help teams and he's really helped us. I just think we need to let guys like Smart play. I think Turner would do great on a championship caliber team who really can use his skills. He's pretty developed at this point and a good teammate and spokesman. He can't hit 3's. He's also kind of a loose defender. So what.    I think we need to let Smart play and develop for that reason, but Turner has value and can help a team still.  He's good at everything else.

Smart to me we need to develop.

Mickey needs to get minutes ultimately

Amir has been really solid and can sit if need be but we need his experience imo on the court.  We could deal him though.  He's like turner in that regard.  His value is more than lee although lee's contract is expiring. Lee might actually be more valuable to us in that regard.

Isaiah, Bradley and Crowder are really our 3 guys maximizing their play right now.  They are all on good long term contracts.  I don't see any of them being moved unless its for a better piece which I don't see what is better here?