Trade Idea: David Lee for Roy Hibbert

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Besides blocking shots he does nothing better than David Lee.
Lee would crush him on the boards.  Hibbert is lazing (just made that word) himself out of the nba

Lazing is a word.  See The Kinks.
[/quoted the Davies kinks? Maybe lazing came from my subconscious ?

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Hibbert is terrible.

[KGs Knee]

Sure, if it doesn't cost us any real assets, why not?

But Hibbert is not very good anymore, and generally is a net negative on the court.

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Hibbert is terrible.

The few laker games I've seen this year I cannot believe Kobe hasn't killed hibbert.  No effort

[Celtics4ever]

Hibbert is terrible.

So is this trade.

Sure, if it doesn't cost us any real assets, why not?

It might cost us a better deal at the trade deadline.

[Irish Stew]

This is the kind of deal that both teams would probably do in the final hour before the trade deadline when they realize that this is the best deal available. It would cost us a second rounder, but that's no big deal. Like others have said, this is a "why not?" trade.

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Hibbert

LOL


Old Statue of Liberty .....or telephone pole

[pearljammer10]

Its really a win-win for us. We get a true center who is a two time all star and can also a game changing defender in the middle.

Slow? Yes. Which is a big draw back of him in BS's system. Spread the floor? No which is again a draw back.

But we need a true center. We need a defensive shot blocker in the middle. He is an expiring contract so it is really a no lose situation to replace Hibbert with Lee. He fills a need in a position of need.  Even if he plays 15-20 minutes a game it can't hurt. If there is no other deal where we need Lee's contract then I make this move in a heartbeat. On a playoff team Hibbert will be a nice addition.

Well said pearljammer10!!

Smitty77

This might be well said if it was 5 years ago.  Teams have learned through analytics just how detrimental players like Hibbert are.  They kill your offense and are very easily exploited on the defensive end.  All you have to do is pull Hibbert away from the paint and he becomes a completely worthless defender.  He is not being ALLOWED to defend the paint like he used to and if he cannot do so he becomes an extreme liability to have on the floor.  People keep begging for a shot blocker when that is exactly what you should not be wanting.  I wouldn't touch Hibbert, Asik, Dieng, Monroe or even Whiteside with a ten foot pole.

If you want to trust analytics put this into the NBA trade machine.

Hibbert to the TWolves for Wiggins, Towns, and Lavine.

You'll be surprised at how the "analytics" of Hollinger work out on this one. At the end of the day give me real playing as opposed to silly projections and what if numbers.

Lee isn't even seeing the floor for us. If nothing else comes up at the deadline. Bring in Hibbert. If it works its a huge plus. If he's terrible, bench him. It has zero negative effect compared to what we have with Lee.

[wdleehi]

Its really a win-win for us. We get a true center who is a two time all star and can also a game changing defender in the middle.

Slow? Yes. Which is a big draw back of him in BS's system. Spread the floor? No which is again a draw back.

But we need a true center. We need a defensive shot blocker in the middle. He is an expiring contract so it is really a no lose situation to replace Hibbert with Lee. He fills a need in a position of need.  Even if he plays 15-20 minutes a game it can't hurt. If there is no other deal where we need Lee's contract then I make this move in a heartbeat. On a playoff team Hibbert will be a nice addition.

Well said pearljammer10!!

Smitty77

This might be well said if it was 5 years ago.  Teams have learned through analytics just how detrimental players like Hibbert are.  They kill your offense and are very easily exploited on the defensive end.  All you have to do is pull Hibbert away from the paint and he becomes a completely worthless defender.  He is not being ALLOWED to defend the paint like he used to and if he cannot do so he becomes an extreme liability to have on the floor.  People keep begging for a shot blocker when that is exactly what you should not be wanting.  I wouldn't touch Hibbert, Asik, Dieng, Monroe or even Whiteside with a ten foot pole.

And what do the analytics say about Lee on this team?



Everything I have seen has been unbelievably bad.


So if there is no good trades involving Lee at the deadline, why not take a chance?  Even if he is only a situation player against size. 

No long term commitment.

[Celtics4ever]

So if there is no good trades involving Lee at the deadline, why not take a chance?  Even if he is only a situation player against size. 

I could live with if no good trades come up, but it should not be our primary target.

[Smitty77]

Does he do anything better than Amir Johnson?

He is a far better rim protector and shot blocker!!  And I bet that Amir, with his feet and ankle problems, that are CHRONIC and will NOT get significantly better, is just as slow as Hibbert!!!  Hibbert might win running full court due to a longer stride.

Smitty77

But how would you ever convince hibbert to run the whole floor?

His rim production is so strong and that is SO something that we virtually do NOT have, that I would let him stay on the defensive side a few times a game just for rest:-)))))

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Its really a win-win for us. We get a true center who is a two time all star and can also a game changing defender in the middle.

Slow? Yes. Which is a big draw back of him in BS's system. Spread the floor? No which is again a draw back.

But we need a true center. We need a defensive shot blocker in the middle. He is an expiring contract so it is really a no lose situation to replace Hibbert with Lee. He fills a need in a position of need.  Even if he plays 15-20 minutes a game it can't hurt. If there is no other deal where we need Lee's contract then I make this move in a heartbeat. On a playoff team Hibbert will be a nice addition.

Well said pearljammer10!!

Smitty77

This might be well said if it was 5 years ago.  Teams have learned through analytics just how detrimental players like Hibbert are.  They kill your offense and are very easily exploited on the defensive end.  All you have to do is pull Hibbert away from the paint and he becomes a completely worthless defender.  He is not being ALLOWED to defend the paint like he used to and if he cannot do so he becomes an extreme liability to have on the floor.  People keep begging for a shot blocker when that is exactly what you should not be wanting.  I wouldn't touch Hibbert, Asik, Dieng, Monroe or even Whiteside with a ten foot pole.

I hear you Oracle, but we are getting him for virtually NOTHING.  Yes, David Lee is NOTHING to us because he is NOT playing!!!  I am not expecting him to play 30+ minutes a night, but maybe 15-20 or as needed.  Come playoff time, when we are facing teams with real centers and the game actually slows down, as it ALWAYS does, we will need him or someone like him.  And, PLEASE do NOT say we already have Zeller:-))

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Hibbert is terrible.

The few laker games I've seen this year I cannot believe Kobe hasn't killed hibbert.  No effort

What could Kobe legitimately say to be honest??  He has NOT TRIED on defense for the last two years!!!!  You lead by example on BOTH sides of the ball, and Kobe has NOT done that in a while!!

Smitty77

[wdleehi]

So if there is no good trades involving Lee at the deadline, why not take a chance?  Even if he is only a situation player against size. 

I could live with if no good trades come up, but it should not be our primary target.

Yeah I wouldn't do the trade if there is a chance to make a bigger trade where they need Lee's salary.

[timriffic]

not an earth shaker , but i think it helps  a bit this year

Boston  trades Lee  for Hibbert, both on expiring contracts, no reason for LA to do it so throw in a  future 2nd rounder. Maybe playing for a playoff spot will ignite  his azz