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Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2016, 08:43:36 PM »

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The dealbreaker for me is Asik. His deal is too fat for my liking and he provides no offensive game whatsoever.

To me it doesn't matter who is better between Holiday and Thomas. One stays on the court. The other doesn't. I want the one that stays on the court.
Great point about staying on the court and that's why I think it's semi plausible.   Jrue has been on a minute restriction until this month.   When healthy, he's easily the second best player on that entire Pelicans team.   He's an upgrade over Thomas on both the defensive and offensive end.  The injuries are the concern... but he apparently feels great and his minutes are creeping up.  He's played great in the minutes he's played.  IF he's healthy, he's a an upgrade.   While I agree Thomas has played admirably this year, I have a hard time imagining him being the starting PG (or even coming off the bench) when this team is contending.  I can see a healthy Jrue Holiday filling that role, though.  Efficient scorer and solid defender.  And at only 10 mil a year for the next 2 years, it's not a bad gamble to take...

Ryan Anderson - I'll let someone else sing his praises.  There's multiple threads talking about how he'd be a good fit here.  He shoots 40% from three. He'd presumably start for us at PF since he'd fit really well with Brad's offense.   I don't see us giving big money to Jared Sullinger.  He's a sitting duck as far as I'm concerned.

Asik - do we still believe he's an elite rim protector?  His contract is horrible... and that's why I think this deal is plausible... otherwise, I think we'd have to give up multiple 1st rounders to make this work.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2016, 08:47:34 PM »

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The Pelicans are going to have to give up assets to get rid of Asik. So eliminating all expiring contracts of the deal you want the C's to give up the best player in the deal (Thomas) for a lesser player with a worse contract and injury concerns (Holiday) AND take on Asik while they're at it. Awesome! Where do I sign?!!!
HOliday is better than Thomas on both ends.  Taking on Asik's contract was the reason why I am not including 1st round picks from our end.

You overrating other players/underrating our players is really out of control.
False.

It's not out of control yet?
You're basing your latest gonzo insult on the idea that Thomas is better than Jrue HOliday.  He isn't.  Period. 

Jrue is a significantly better shooter and defender.   Thomas is "better" than Jrue in the same was Antoine walker was "better" than Jermaine O'neal...  volume scoring aside, healthy Jrue Holiday is an upgrade over Thomas.

So then you're saying the Pelicans have 3 players (Davis, Evans, and Jrue) better than anyone on our roster. If that's the case, then why do they have the 4th worst record in the league? Your math simply doesn't add up. Kind of like when you said the Nets had 3 players on their roster (Lopez, Young, and Johnson) better than anyone on ours. Remember that?

You've struck out so much recently with your off the wall predictions/opinions that every time you post there should be a disclaimer that reads *CONSIDER THE SOURCE*. You have a long way to go to rebuild your credibility.
Ed im sure you said something in there with some semblance of sense, but I have a hard time reading anything you write these days.  You mostly just troll me.  Good luck to you.  Maybe someone else will bite.

Anyways, curious if anyone else has an opinion on this.   Widely believed that the Pelicans will move Ryan Anderson... he has a skill set we'd need.  Asik is still presumably a solid rim protector... taking on his contract will hurt, though.   Big win here would be getting Jrue Holiday for Thomas.  Thomas is a nice gimmicky player... a micro-Iverson.   Fun to watch, but he's a bad defender and shoots 41% with 32% from three...   His offense is predictable and probably is best served coming off a bench like a Nate Robinson or something.   Jrue Holiday, on the other hand WHEN HEALTHY (and that's the big issue), is a 6'4 former all-star.  Great defender.  Still only 25 years old.  Shoots solid 45% with 40% from three.   Absolutely an upgrade over Thomas.

It's not the sexiest of trades, but it would likely improve us.   

It's almost as though you don't watch basketball.

Holiday is not better than Thomas and that's not even factoring in health or contract. Holiday is an okay player, but injuries have robbed him of that quick burst he used to have. He's also more of a combo guard and not very good at running offense out of the PNR, which is why they often have him playing the 2, while Evans runs the point. He's player that doesn't get to the line at all (2.2 FTA for his career) and settles for a lot of pull-ups instead of attacking the teeth of the D. On the other hand, Thomas is one of the best players in creating offense off of PNR (which is the backbone of every offense nowadays) and the metrics support it. He's also a better passer (6.8 to 4.5 assists), which isn't Holiday's strong suit. As for generating fouls/attacking the basket it's Thomas by a landslide. Thomas gets to the line over 6x a game.

Go ahead and bring your weak rebuttal.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2016, 08:56:46 PM »

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The Pelicans are going to have to give up assets to get rid of Asik. So eliminating all expiring contracts of the deal you want the C's to give up the best player in the deal (Thomas) for a lesser player with a worse contract and injury concerns (Holiday) AND take on Asik while they're at it. Awesome! Where do I sign?!!!
HOliday is better than Thomas on both ends.  Taking on Asik's contract was the reason why I am not including 1st round picks from our end.

You overrating other players/underrating our players is really out of control.
False.

It's not out of control yet?
You're basing your latest gonzo insult on the idea that Thomas is better than Jrue HOliday.  He isn't.  Period. 

Jrue is a significantly better shooter and defender.   Thomas is "better" than Jrue in the same was Antoine walker was "better" than Jermaine O'neal...  volume scoring aside, healthy Jrue Holiday is an upgrade over Thomas.

So then you're saying the Pelicans have 3 players (Davis, Evans, and Jrue) better than anyone on our roster. If that's the case, then why do they have the 4th worst record in the league? Your math simply doesn't add up. Kind of like when you said the Nets had 3 players on their roster (Lopez, Young, and Johnson) better than anyone on ours. Remember that?

You've struck out so much recently with your off the wall predictions/opinions that every time you post there should be a disclaimer that reads *CONSIDER THE SOURCE*. You have a long way to go to rebuild your credibility.
Ed im sure you said something in there with some semblance of sense, but I have a hard time reading anything you write these days.  You mostly just troll me.  Good luck to you.  Maybe someone else will bite.

Anyways, curious if anyone else has an opinion on this.   Widely believed that the Pelicans will move Ryan Anderson... he has a skill set we'd need.  Asik is still presumably a solid rim protector... taking on his contract will hurt, though.   Big win here would be getting Jrue Holiday for Thomas.  Thomas is a nice gimmicky player... a micro-Iverson.   Fun to watch, but he's a bad defender and shoots 41% with 32% from three...   His offense is predictable and probably is best served coming off a bench like a Nate Robinson or something.   Jrue Holiday, on the other hand WHEN HEALTHY (and that's the big issue), is a 6'4 former all-star.  Great defender.  Still only 25 years old.  Shoots solid 45% with 40% from three.   Absolutely an upgrade over Thomas.

It's not the sexiest of trades, but it would likely improve us.   

It's almost as though you don't watch basketball.

Holiday is not better than Thomas and that's not even factoring in health or contract. Holiday is an okay player, but injuries have robbed him of that quick burst he used to have. He's also more of a combo guard and not very good at running offense out of the PNR, which is why they often have him playing the 2, while Evans runs the point. He's player that doesn't get to the line at all (2.2 FTA for his career) and settles for a lot of pull-ups instead of attacking the teeth of the D. On the other hand, Thomas is one of the best players in creating offense off of PNR (which is the backbone of every offense nowadays) and the metrics support it. He's also a better passer (6.8 to 4.5 assists), which isn't Holiday's strong suit. As for generating fouls/attacking the basket it's Thomas by a landslide. Thomas gets to the line over 6x a game.

Go ahead and bring your weak rebuttal.
Watched him play yesterday.  He looked fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgY6mUyaxAE

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2016, 09:06:08 PM »

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The Pelicans are going to have to give up assets to get rid of Asik. So eliminating all expiring contracts of the deal you want the C's to give up the best player in the deal (Thomas) for a lesser player with a worse contract and injury concerns (Holiday) AND take on Asik while they're at it. Awesome! Where do I sign?!!!
HOliday is better than Thomas on both ends.  Taking on Asik's contract was the reason why I am not including 1st round picks from our end.

That is your opinion, which you are allowed to have, but I would like if you could justify why you believe this to be true.

Holiday is averaging 19.6 pts, 6.5 ast, 3.9 reb, 1.7 stl Per 36 and is shooting 44% / 40% / 77% with a free throw rate of 29%.

Thomas is averaging 23.3 pts, 7.5 ast, 3.2 reb, 1.5 stl Per 36 and is shooting 42% / 33% / 89% with a Free Throw rate of 37%.

Holidays' scoring efficiency is 1.24 Points Per FGA, and Thomas' scoring efficiency is 1.28 Points Per FGA.

Holidays PRF (Points Responsible For) is 35.07 Per 36 minutes, while Thomas has a PRF of 41.04 Per 36 Minutes.

Isaiah Thomas' Real Plus Minus ranks 9th among NBA PG's:

ORPM: +4.95
DRPM: -2.11
RPM: +2.84

Holiday's ranks 24th among NBA PG's:

ORPM: +1.58
DRPM: -1.70
RPM: -0.12

I cannot see a single statistic aside from basic FG% and 3P% in which Jrue Holiday has any advantage over Thomas. 

The advanced stats show that Thomas is a far, far, far superior offensive player to Jrue Holiday and only a very slighly worse defensive player. 

Also worth considering is that Thomas is putting up these numbers on a playoff contender in the (incredibly tough) eastern conference, while Holiday is putting up these stats on a bottom three team. 

Happy to hear you out if you can give me something to back your claims that Jrue Holiday is more valuable than Isaiah Thomas, but I am honestly struggling to come up with anything.

Oh and on that note - no, there is no way I would make this deal.  There are only two guys on the Pelicans roster who I have any interest in trading for (Tyrke and Anthony Davis) and neither of them is on this deal, so my interest level is zero.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2016, 09:11:36 PM »

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Jrue Holiday (10 mil 2 years), Ryan Anderson (8.5 mil expiring), Omer Asik (9.2 mil - 5 years)

For

Lee's expiring (15 mil), Jerebko's expiring (5 mil), Isaiah Thomas (6.9 mil - 3 years) and Jared Sullinger (2.5 mil ... restricted free agent)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j5rn32m

Just to throw an intersting look at this (and expand on my previous post) I'm going to quantify this deal based on RPM (i.e. net impact the player has on their team). 

Players coming in:
* Holiday: -0.12
* Anderson: -1.97
* Asik: +0.25

Players going out:
* David Lee: -0.98
* Jonas Jerebko: -1.23
* Isaiah Thomas: +2.84
* Jared Sullinger: +3.05

I'll let you look at that and decide whether you think this trade makes us better, or worse.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2016, 09:15:12 PM »

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I'm really happy that Jrue finally seems to be himself again, but he's just an injury waiting to happen. And Asik's is literally the single worst contract in the NBA. There are very, very few assets that could be packaged with it that would justify taking on that albatross.
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Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2016, 09:17:01 PM »

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The Pelicans are going to have to give up assets to get rid of Asik. So eliminating all expiring contracts of the deal you want the C's to give up the best player in the deal (Thomas) for a lesser player with a worse contract and injury concerns (Holiday) AND take on Asik while they're at it. Awesome! Where do I sign?!!!
HOliday is better than Thomas on both ends.  Taking on Asik's contract was the reason why I am not including 1st round picks from our end.

You overrating other players/underrating our players is really out of control.
False.

It's not out of control yet?
You're basing your latest gonzo insult on the idea that Thomas is better than Jrue HOliday.  He isn't.  Period. 

Jrue is a significantly better shooter and defender.   Thomas is "better" than Jrue in the same was Antoine walker was "better" than Jermaine O'neal...  volume scoring aside, healthy Jrue Holiday is an upgrade over Thomas.

So then you're saying the Pelicans have 3 players (Davis, Evans, and Jrue) better than anyone on our roster. If that's the case, then why do they have the 4th worst record in the league? Your math simply doesn't add up. Kind of like when you said the Nets had 3 players on their roster (Lopez, Young, and Johnson) better than anyone on ours. Remember that?

You've struck out so much recently with your off the wall predictions/opinions that every time you post there should be a disclaimer that reads *CONSIDER THE SOURCE*. You have a long way to go to rebuild your credibility.
Ed im sure you said something in there with some semblance of sense, but I have a hard time reading anything you write these days.  You mostly just troll me.  Good luck to you.  Maybe someone else will bite.

Anyways, curious if anyone else has an opinion on this.   Widely believed that the Pelicans will move Ryan Anderson... he has a skill set we'd need.  Asik is still presumably a solid rim protector... taking on his contract will hurt, though.   Big win here would be getting Jrue Holiday for Thomas.  Thomas is a nice gimmicky player... a micro-Iverson.   Fun to watch, but he's a bad defender and shoots 41% with 32% from three...   His offense is predictable and probably is best served coming off a bench like a Nate Robinson or something.   Jrue Holiday, on the other hand WHEN HEALTHY (and that's the big issue), is a 6'4 former all-star.  Great defender.  Still only 25 years old.  Shoots solid 45% with 40% from three.   Absolutely an upgrade over Thomas.

It's not the sexiest of trades, but it would likely improve us.   

It's almost as though you don't watch basketball.

Holiday is not better than Thomas and that's not even factoring in health or contract. Holiday is an okay player, but injuries have robbed him of that quick burst he used to have. He's also more of a combo guard and not very good at running offense out of the PNR, which is why they often have him playing the 2, while Evans runs the point. He's player that doesn't get to the line at all (2.2 FTA for his career) and settles for a lot of pull-ups instead of attacking the teeth of the D. On the other hand, Thomas is one of the best players in creating offense off of PNR (which is the backbone of every offense nowadays) and the metrics support it. He's also a better passer (6.8 to 4.5 assists), which isn't Holiday's strong suit. As for generating fouls/attacking the basket it's Thomas by a landslide. Thomas gets to the line over 6x a game.

Go ahead and bring your weak rebuttal.
Watched him play yesterday.  He looked fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgY6mUyaxAE

Saw the game too. His parents were in attendance. He played better than he had in a long time. He's still coming off the bench. Still playing more off the ball than on (Evans and Cole handle the ball more).

Anderson can't stay in front of a chair, so unlike Jerebko who can move his feet well and play the 3, Anderson simply can't. So in order to protect him you need to play him at the 4 (robs the superior Olynyk of minutes there) and have him play alongside a better rim protector than Amir is.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2016, 09:17:45 PM »

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I just can't imagine anybody taking on Asik at this point. He has had like 1 1/2 good seasons (according to the advanced stats) and just hasn't been nearly effective since. He is pretty much the last player I would want on this team, even with the cap rising.

And I definitely think IT is better than Jrue, but that is probably just the homer in me.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2016, 09:21:25 PM »

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The Pelicans are going to have to give up assets to get rid of Asik. So eliminating all expiring contracts of the deal you want the C's to give up the best player in the deal (Thomas) for a lesser player with a worse contract and injury concerns (Holiday) AND take on Asik while they're at it. Awesome! Where do I sign?!!!
HOliday is better than Thomas on both ends.  Taking on Asik's contract was the reason why I am not including 1st round picks from our end.

You overrating other players/underrating our players is really out of control.
False.

It's not out of control yet?
You're basing your latest gonzo insult on the idea that Thomas is better than Jrue HOliday.  He isn't.  Period. 

Jrue is a significantly better shooter and defender.   Thomas is "better" than Jrue in the same was Antoine walker was "better" than Jermaine O'neal...  volume scoring aside, healthy Jrue Holiday is an upgrade over Thomas.

So then you're saying the Pelicans have 3 players (Davis, Evans, and Jrue) better than anyone on our roster. If that's the case, then why do they have the 4th worst record in the league? Your math simply doesn't add up. Kind of like when you said the Nets had 3 players on their roster (Lopez, Young, and Johnson) better than anyone on ours. Remember that?

You've struck out so much recently with your off the wall predictions/opinions that every time you post there should be a disclaimer that reads *CONSIDER THE SOURCE*. You have a long way to go to rebuild your credibility.
Ed im sure you said something in there with some semblance of sense, but I have a hard time reading anything you write these days.  You mostly just troll me.  Good luck to you.  Maybe someone else will bite.

Anyways, curious if anyone else has an opinion on this.   Widely believed that the Pelicans will move Ryan Anderson... he has a skill set we'd need.  Asik is still presumably a solid rim protector... taking on his contract will hurt, though.   Big win here would be getting Jrue Holiday for Thomas.  Thomas is a nice gimmicky player... a micro-Iverson.   Fun to watch, but he's a bad defender and shoots 41% with 32% from three...   His offense is predictable and probably is best served coming off a bench like a Nate Robinson or something.   Jrue Holiday, on the other hand WHEN HEALTHY (and that's the big issue), is a 6'4 former all-star.  Great defender.  Still only 25 years old.  Shoots solid 45% with 40% from three.   Absolutely an upgrade over Thomas.

It's not the sexiest of trades, but it would likely improve us.   

It's almost as though you don't watch basketball.

Holiday is not better than Thomas and that's not even factoring in health or contract. Holiday is an okay player, but injuries have robbed him of that quick burst he used to have. He's also more of a combo guard and not very good at running offense out of the PNR, which is why they often have him playing the 2, while Evans runs the point. He's player that doesn't get to the line at all (2.2 FTA for his career) and settles for a lot of pull-ups instead of attacking the teeth of the D. On the other hand, Thomas is one of the best players in creating offense off of PNR (which is the backbone of every offense nowadays) and the metrics support it. He's also a better passer (6.8 to 4.5 assists), which isn't Holiday's strong suit. As for generating fouls/attacking the basket it's Thomas by a landslide. Thomas gets to the line over 6x a game.

Go ahead and bring your weak rebuttal.
Watched him play yesterday.  He looked fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgY6mUyaxAE

You post a video to back your claim? Ok, here. Isaiah played yesterday. He looked fine. In fact he looked more than fine. Scored more points and got his teammates involved more, didn't even need overtime to pad his stats if that's what you're concerned about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlWvpOnW38c
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Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2016, 09:26:00 PM »

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Jrue Holiday (10 mil 2 years), Ryan Anderson (8.5 mil expiring), Omer Asik (9.2 mil - 5 years)

For

Lee's expiring (15 mil), Jerebko's expiring (5 mil), Isaiah Thomas (6.9 mil - 3 years) and Jared Sullinger (2.5 mil ... restricted free agent)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j5rn32m

Just to throw an intersting look at this (and expand on my previous post) I'm going to quantify this deal based on RPM (i.e. net impact the player has on their team). 

Players coming in:
* Holiday: -0.12
* Anderson: -1.97
* Asik: +0.25

Players going out:
* David Lee: -0.98
* Jonas Jerebko: -1.23
* Isaiah Thomas: +2.84
* Jared Sullinger: +3.05

I'll let you look at that and decide whether you think this trade makes us better, or worse.
Why do you put so much stock into RPM?

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2016, 09:26:20 PM »

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Jrue Holiday (10 mil 2 years), Ryan Anderson (8.5 mil expiring), Omer Asik (9.2 mil - 5 years)

For

Lee's expiring (15 mil), Jerebko's expiring (5 mil), Isaiah Thomas (6.9 mil - 3 years) and Jared Sullinger (2.5 mil ... restricted free agent)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j5rn32m
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My answer is both say no.  I wouldn't take on Asik's crappy salary and I don't think the Pelican's would trade Holiday.   It's been reported by Pelicans beat writers that all players other than Holiday and Davis are available.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2016, 09:27:17 PM »

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Jrue Holiday (10 mil 2 years), Ryan Anderson (8.5 mil expiring), Omer Asik (9.2 mil - 5 years)

For

Lee's expiring (15 mil), Jerebko's expiring (5 mil), Isaiah Thomas (6.9 mil - 3 years) and Jared Sullinger (2.5 mil ... restricted free agent)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j5rn32m
awful deal.  just awful.

IT is better than Jrue at this point in their careers.  I'm no fan of IT unlike most posters here but even I'll admit he's better than Jrue.

Sully is better than Ryan as well.  Ryan may be the better shooter but Sully is by far the better rebounder and passer.  He's also better scoring around the basket. 

Asik's deal is horrible.  no desire to take that on.  Lee and Jerebko are at least still serviceable.  not great but serviceable.

how you can even think the C's come out of this better by giving up their top scorer and rebounder for 3 guys that will produce less than who we're sending out is beyond me.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2016, 09:28:34 PM »

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The Pelicans are going to have to give up assets to get rid of Asik. So eliminating all expiring contracts of the deal you want the C's to give up the best player in the deal (Thomas) for a lesser player with a worse contract and injury concerns (Holiday) AND take on Asik while they're at it. Awesome! Where do I sign?!!!
HOliday is better than Thomas on both ends.  Taking on Asik's contract was the reason why I am not including 1st round picks from our end.

That is your opinion, which you are allowed to have, but I would like if you could justify why you believe this to be true.

Holiday is averaging 19.6 pts, 6.5 ast, 3.9 reb, 1.7 stl Per 36 and is shooting 44% / 40% / 77% with a free throw rate of 29%.

Thomas is averaging 23.3 pts, 7.5 ast, 3.2 reb, 1.5 stl Per 36 and is shooting 42% / 33% / 89% with a Free Throw rate of 37%.

Holidays' scoring efficiency is 1.24 Points Per FGA, and Thomas' scoring efficiency is 1.28 Points Per FGA.

Holidays PRF (Points Responsible For) is 35.07 Per 36 minutes, while Thomas has a PRF of 41.04 Per 36 Minutes.

Isaiah Thomas' Real Plus Minus ranks 9th among NBA PG's:

ORPM: +4.95
DRPM: -2.11
RPM: +2.84

Holiday's ranks 24th among NBA PG's:

ORPM: +1.58
DRPM: -1.70
RPM: -0.12

I cannot see a single statistic aside from basic FG% and 3P% in which Jrue Holiday has any advantage over Thomas. 

The advanced stats show that Thomas is a far, far, far superior offensive player to Jrue Holiday and only a very slighly worse defensive player. 

Also worth considering is that Thomas is putting up these numbers on a playoff contender in the (incredibly tough) eastern conference, while Holiday is putting up these stats on a bottom three team. 

Happy to hear you out if you can give me something to back your claims that Jrue Holiday is more valuable than Isaiah Thomas, but I am honestly struggling to come up with anything.

Oh and on that note - no, there is no way I would make this deal.  There are only two guys on the Pelicans roster who I have any interest in trading for (Tyrke and Anthony Davis) and neither of them is on this deal, so my interest level is zero.
Jrue has been on a minute restriction until this week.   Pelicans have been horrible.  Holiday being held to 25 minutes is part of the reason that team has struggled so much to find a rhythm and win games. 

He's a better player than Thomas.   Swap roles, Holiday has more success.

Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2016, 09:29:15 PM »

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Jrue Holiday (10 mil 2 years), Ryan Anderson (8.5 mil expiring), Omer Asik (9.2 mil - 5 years)

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Lee's expiring (15 mil), Jerebko's expiring (5 mil), Isaiah Thomas (6.9 mil - 3 years) and Jared Sullinger (2.5 mil ... restricted free agent)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j5rn32m
awful deal.  just awful.

IT is better than Jrue at this point in their careers.  I'm no fan of IT unlike most posters here but even I'll admit he's better than Jrue.

Sully is better than Ryan as well.  Ryan may be the better shooter but Sully is by far the better rebounder and passer.  He's also better scoring around the basket. 

Asik's deal is horrible.  no desire to take that on.  Lee and Jerebko are at least still serviceable.  not great but serviceable.

how you can even think the C's come out of this better by giving up their top scorer and rebounder for 3 guys that will produce less than who we're sending out is beyond me.

He's literally clueless half the time he posts. It's unfortunate because he can definitely make knowledgeable and logical posts and ideas. It's almost as if he chooses not to.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Which team says no? (Pelicans trade idea)
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2016, 09:34:41 PM »

Offline Eddie20

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Jrue Holiday (10 mil 2 years), Ryan Anderson (8.5 mil expiring), Omer Asik (9.2 mil - 5 years)

For

Lee's expiring (15 mil), Jerebko's expiring (5 mil), Isaiah Thomas (6.9 mil - 3 years) and Jared Sullinger (2.5 mil ... restricted free agent)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j5rn32m
awful deal.  just awful.

IT is better than Jrue at this point in their careers.  I'm no fan of IT unlike most posters here but even I'll admit he's better than Jrue.

Sully is better than Ryan as well.  Ryan may be the better shooter but Sully is by far the better rebounder and passer.  He's also better scoring around the basket. 

Asik's deal is horrible.  no desire to take that on.  Lee and Jerebko are at least still serviceable.  not great but serviceable.

how you can even think the C's come out of this better by giving up their top scorer and rebounder for 3 guys that will produce less than who we're sending out is beyond me.

He's literally clueless half the time he posts. It's unfortunate because he can definitely make knowledgeable and logical posts and ideas. It's almost as if he chooses not to.

Bingo. Not to mention that he never admits he's wrong. Unless he still thinks Brooklyn is going to win 35-40 games, David Lee is our best player, Bennett is a future star, etc.