I want brook lopez on the celtics

[Kane3387]

I want Drummond

On this Celts team I actually want a guy more like Marc Gasol or Al Horford.  A guy who can pass and score in a variety of ways.

I'd rather have lebron or steph if we're gonna talk like this 

[MJohnnyboy]

We passed on Monroe FOR FREE last summer.

I take Monroe every day over Lopez. Better passer, stronger rebounder, runs the floor far better, 2 years younger, far more durable and over $2mil/year cheaper.

If we passed on Monroe, I can't see our interest in Lopez.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Monroe is a better rebounder, is younger, and has no injury concerns unlike Lopez.

I've been posting this hypothetical trade since last week.

Boston trades: David Lee, Jared Sullinger, their 1st this year, Dallas 1st
Boston gets: Greg Monroe

Milwaukee trades: Greg Monroe, Michael Carter Williams
Milwaukee gets: Brandon Knight, Markieff Morris

Phoenix trades: Brandon Knight, Markieff Morris
Phoenix gets: David Lee, Jared Sullinger, Michael Carter Williams, Bostons 1st, Dallas 1st

Pretty fair deal to me. Everyone gets what they want/need.

TP....interesting trade idea.....big fan of Monroe.....would love to have him.....doubt we pay for him now when we could've had him last summer.....I blame Stevens, but that's just conjecture.....he's not a big that stretches the floor.

My opinion is that if Stevens is that good a coach, he should be able to adapt his system to the talents of player like Monroe, rather than pass on that talent because he doesn't fit the system.

I don't think the Celtics ever had the chance. From what I remember, Monroe had his heart set on Milwaukee after he heard they were interested. I think the Celtics had a meeting with him scheduled but he cancelled because he already chose the Bucks.

I think a guy like Monroe could help the Celtics because his low post moves would help the Celtics and their emphasis on spacing. Plus even if he doesn't protect the rim, I don't think he takes anything away from the defense atleast compared to Jared Sullinger.

[Hemingway]

Did we pass on Monroe or did he pass on us? I seem to remember being a little bummed out that he thought the Bucks were better for him than us, not surprised we didn't want him.

As to the OP, trading for Lopez does make some degree of sense. I think the offer stated is too high a price for Lopez but it's not as far off as some of the posters are making it seem. Remember they wouldn't trade those picks for LBJ so they are off too. As for a fair deal, I'd think something like the 2018 pick or the 2017 swap with Lee and some minor pieces that we don't want. I'm not sure how much Lopez would help or how he would fit, but to just dismis guys that would clearly be one of our best guys if we got them as a bad fit outright is silly. We could change a bit to fit just about anyone.

[PhoSita]

I want Drummond

On this Celts team I actually want a guy more like Marc Gasol or Al Horford.  A guy who can pass and score in a variety of ways.

I'd rather have lebron or steph if we're gonna talk like this 

Eh, Bron and Steph are MVPs.  You obviously don't plan to have a guy like that on the team.

Gasol and Horford are perennial All-Stars, though.  Very hard to get players like that.  But that's gotta be the goal if we want to win playoff series, right?  I'm not even saying we should target those guys specifically.  Just saying, that's my ideal for the type of center I'd want on this team.

[obnoxiousmime]

We passed on Monroe FOR FREE last summer.

I take Monroe every day over Lopez. Better passer, stronger rebounder, runs the floor far better, 2 years younger, far more durable and over $2mil/year cheaper.

If we passed on Monroe, I can't see our interest in Lopez.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Monroe is a better rebounder, is younger, and has no injury concerns unlike Lopez.

I've been posting this hypothetical trade since last week.

Boston trades: David Lee, Jared Sullinger, their 1st this year, Dallas 1st
Boston gets: Greg Monroe

Milwaukee trades: Greg Monroe, Michael Carter Williams
Milwaukee gets: Brandon Knight, Markieff Morris

Phoenix trades: Brandon Knight, Markieff Morris
Phoenix gets: David Lee, Jared Sullinger, Michael Carter Williams, Bostons 1st, Dallas 1st

Pretty fair deal to me. Everyone gets what they want/need.

Milwaukee just had Brandon Knight, why would they trade back for him? Clearly they didn't want to pay him and now they do? Also, they just signed Monroe. I haven't heard anything about them being unhappy with how that's turned out.

[SHAQATTACK]

I want Drummond

On this Celts team I actually want a guy more like Marc Gasol or Al Horford.  A guy who can pass and score in a variety of ways.

I'd rather have lebron or steph if we're gonna talk like this 

Eh, Bron and Steph are MVPs.  You obviously don't plan to have a guy like that on the team.

Gasol and Horford are perennial All-Stars, though.  Very hard to get players like that.  But that's gotta be the goal if we want to win playoff series, right?  I'm not even saying we should target those guys specifically.  Just saying, that's my ideal for the type of center I'd want on this team.

Right ....!  Call it wishing or dreaming ,    But that is most likely what move is required to move forward . , acquiring a star big and star shooter .  I never thought we'd get Allen and Garnet either ....but we did.

Problem is getting a good player BEFORE they are used up.   

[Big333223]

I'm generally against the idea of centers who don't rebound and don't play defense, especially when they're a giant health risk on top of everything else. But then I saw this deal proposed today:

David Lee, Jonas Jarebko and Dallas’ 2016 first round pick to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez
http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/1/11/10749994/nba-trade-idea-get-brook-lopez

Am I just being stubborn? Isn't this, objectively, a win of a trade for the Celtics? It jettisons a couple of players who aren't in the rotation along with a mid-round pick that isn't going to be super valuable given our wealth of picks and in return the C's get a starting Center who knows how to score (filling a big need for the team). What do the Celtics actually risk in the deal? Some money and stress invested in a big man with injury issues? I think that's worth it.

The cherry on top is that without Lopez (or Jack) this Nets team could contend for the 2nd worst record in the league. If the Nets agreed to it, I think I'd have to say yes to that deal.

[Geo123]

I'm generally against the idea of centers who don't rebound and don't play defense, especially when they're a giant health risk on top of everything else. But then I saw this deal proposed today:

David Lee, Jonas Jarebko and Dallas’ 2016 first round pick to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez
http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/1/11/10749994/nba-trade-idea-get-brook-lopez

Am I just being stubborn? Isn't this, objectively, a win of a trade for the Celtics? It jettisons a couple of players who aren't in the rotation along with a mid-round pick that isn't going to be super valuable given our wealth of picks and in return the C's get a starting Center who knows how to score (filling a big need for the team). What do the Celtics actually risk in the deal? Some money and stress invested in a big man with injury issues? I think that's worth it.

The cherry on top is that without Lopez (or Jack) this Nets team could contend for the 2nd worst record in the league. If the Nets agreed to it, I think I'd have to say yes to that deal.

Why do you think Brooklyn would do this?  The answer is no way.  Their owner has already said they won't tank and are trying to win.  By doing a terrible trade like this all they do is improve the pick we're getting from them.  So you think they their best player for 2 backup bigs and a low #1?   

[MJohnnyboy]

We passed on Monroe FOR FREE last summer.

I take Monroe every day over Lopez. Better passer, stronger rebounder, runs the floor far better, 2 years younger, far more durable and over $2mil/year cheaper.

If we passed on Monroe, I can't see our interest in Lopez.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Monroe is a better rebounder, is younger, and has no injury concerns unlike Lopez.

I've been posting this hypothetical trade since last week.

Boston trades: David Lee, Jared Sullinger, their 1st this year, Dallas 1st
Boston gets: Greg Monroe

Milwaukee trades: Greg Monroe, Michael Carter Williams
Milwaukee gets: Brandon Knight, Markieff Morris

Phoenix trades: Brandon Knight, Markieff Morris
Phoenix gets: David Lee, Jared Sullinger, Michael Carter Williams, Bostons 1st, Dallas 1st

Pretty fair deal to me. Everyone gets what they want/need.

Milwaukee just had Brandon Knight, why would they trade back for him? Clearly they didn't want to pay him and now they do? Also, they just signed Monroe. I haven't heard anything about them being unhappy with how that's turned out.

Because things have gone horribly wrong since they traded him? Have you seen their record since they dealt him to Phoenix? They'd go back to what was working before and he provides the spacing that they desperately need. Not to mention he's being paid less than Monroe. True they traded him because they didn't want to pay him, but it's not like Monroe, who they are paying more, has made things better because again, things have gotten worse.

Who cares whether or not they are happy with specifically Monroe? Are they happy with the fact that they are currently 13th in the east thanks to their dumb moves?

You know, technically the Lakers haven't expressed any 'unhappiness' about Kobe jacking up all the shots while they lose all their games, so does that mean they are happy with the fact that they are one of the worst teams in the league?

[SHAQATTACK]

Let's tank the Nets

[Hemingway]

What about some sort of deal where we give the nets back their pick this year for Lopez and Young? I know everyone here will hate it and make snarky one liners but it could be a good deal for us. If the nets don't have their own pick they will have no incentive to tank and lots of other teams will, so that pick probably isn't going to be in the top 3 w/o some lotto luck. I think the numbers just work to be able to make the trade w/o having to give up Amir. Lopez and Young are about 30 mil. Lee and JJ are about 20 so we can probably make it work by adding some of Zeller, Sully Turner exc.

I'd prefer we get DMC or KD or Melo but if we can't do that and we could do this, it would be something to really think about. We would be left with a rotation like this:

Lopez/Sully/KO
Amir/T. Young
Crowder/
AB/Smart
IT/

[Ogaju]

giving the Nets their # pick back is an insult to KG and PP even if it is for Lopez.

[crimson_stallion]

we need a big who can score and rebound. THESE ARE OUR TWO WEAKEST POINTS. Brook lopez fits the bill. He is the lone star with no hope and we hold the keys to their future. I would give them their 2017 and 2018 pick back. Along with david lee, tyler zeller, terry rosier and james young. What do you think?

Umm...Brook Lopez doesn't rebound?

I won't even get started on the 2017+2018 pick part. Ouch.

[crimson_stallion]

I want Drummond

On this Celts team I actually want a guy more like Marc Gasol or Al Horford.  A guy who can pass and score in a variety of ways.

And hit free throws.

I agree with all of this...

We passed on Monroe FOR FREE last summer.

I take Monroe every day over Lopez. Better passer, stronger rebounder, runs the floor far better, 2 years younger, far more durable and over $2mil/year cheaper.

If we passed on Monroe, I can't see our interest in Lopez.

And this...

Actually if I can think of one young star who would be a PERFECT fit for this team, it'd be Karl Anthony Towns - I believe that guy is going to be Anthony Davis good (if not better).

But the chances of that happening...yeah lol 

[crimson_stallion]

What about some sort of deal where we give the nets back their pick this year for Lopez and Young? I know everyone here will hate it and make snarky one liners but it could be a good deal for us. If the nets don't have their own pick they will have no incentive to tank and lots of other teams will, so that pick probably isn't going to be in the top 3 w/o some lotto luck. I think the numbers just work to be able to make the trade w/o having to give up Amir. Lopez and Young are about 30 mil. Lee and JJ are about 20 so we can probably make it work by adding some of Zeller, Sully Turner exc.

I'd prefer we get DMC or KD or Melo but if we can't do that and we could do this, it would be something to really think about. We would be left with a rotation like this:

Lopez/Sully/KO
Amir/T. Young
Crowder/
AB/Smart
IT/

I always look at what you get in terms of a trade as follows:

* Current gain
* Potential future gain

The Nets currently have the 3rd worst record in the NBA, and have been in that same position pretty much the entire year so far.  That suggests there is a very good chance they finish in the bottom three, especially after the recent coach/GM firing potentially adding further instability.

Falling in the bottom three (or even bottom four) gives you a very serious chance at hitting the #1 pick in the draft, and as long as the Nets remain in this position that pick has the potential to return a perennial superstar.

By comparison Brook Lopez and Thaddeus Young are 'good' players, but they are a far cry from anything close to superstars.  Lopez is injury prone, is defensively limited, and can't rebound.  Young is a solid guy, but is really a #3 or #4 guys - he's never going to be one of your 2 or 3 best players.

So the potential return of that pick far exceeds what we get from this trade.

I think of it this way.

If we did this trade, and then that Brooklyn pick ended up scoring the #1 or #2 pick in the draft - would you regret it?  Because I would hate myself.

On the other hand, if you refused the trade and that pick slipped to say...6th or 7th.  Would you regret it?  I wouldn't, really.  Lopez and Young are nice players, but are replaceable.  Could live with it if I missed out on that.

I might consider a trade in which we send them some pieces and their 2018 pick, but that's all.  That team is so bad that i their 2016 and 2017 picks are both way more valuable than any player they have.