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Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2016, 12:57:08 PM »

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I am REALLY anxious to see what this trade deadline looks like.  I really don't know what to expect. 

The landscape in the league seems like it is quite a bit different than in previous season leaving so many questions to be elaborated on in the coming weeks.  With the tight bunch of teams currently fighting for the playoffs in the east, and the surprisingly large pile of disappointing teams in the West will there be enough sellers to pair with buyers?  How will the rising cap affect valuations?  Will teams be willing to part with players who are under contract for 2 – 4 years into the future, or will any future contract certainty command a huge premium to acquire?  Does that mean there will be a bunch of expiring for expiring "shuffling the deck chairs" moves instead? 

The teams I will most closely be keeping my eye on will be:

New Orleans – Since drafting Anthony Davis this team has done about as bad a job as possible putting a team core around him.  They came into the season with playoff expectations and have been pretty awful to date.  The GM and new coach probably both under pressure to perform to still have jobs next season.  I expect they will make some moves to either a) make a fleeting run at the playoffs, or b) make moves for the future by shipping out the expiring contracts of Eric Gordon and/or Ryan Anderson (who seems to be pretty in demand across the league), or unloading that albatross of a contract they handed to Omir "stone hands" Asik this past summer.

Phoenix – Team is currently a smoldering dumpster fire of disappointing play and locker room discontent.  Couple that with a notoriously impatient owner, and I think moves are very likely.  Pretty much everyone's job on this team is up in the air, and I'd say anyone aside from Devin Booker could be traded before the deadline.  I think Markieff Morris will definitely be moved.  Do they dump Tyson Chandler for some value now since he is a bit old for the trajectory of the rest of the roster?  Do they trade Brandon Knight and go completely in the tank this season knowing that they have Eric Bledsoe coming back next season, OR do they go completely in the opposite direction and trade Eric Bledsoe to team in need of a future PG (similar to the Andrew Bogut trade GSW made a few years back) for an asset at a different position of which Phoenix needs many.

Miami – I kind of think they will move Hassan Whiteside for value before the deadline, rather than risk losing him in the summer.  I don't think he is key to their playoff run this year, but he is a great asset to have stumbled on for absolutely free.  They also have Justise Winslow (I expect they will end up keeping him), who would be a primo asset to package in the unlikely event of a blockbuster coming on the market before the deadline passes.

Washington – disappointing team that started the year with expectations, but at current rate looks to either miss the playoffs all together, or sputter out with a whimper.  I could see them wanting to make some changes in order to allow the team to make a 2nd half playoff push.

Houston – Morey can't like how this team is playing given that the Rockets fancied themselves as title contenders this year.  They really only have one scorer on the team, and a lot of interesting youngish players they probably can move.  I think they will shuffle the roster a bit, even if the moves aren't mind blowing. 

Boston – we have a lot of delicious appetizers over here.  Anyone want to trade one main course for them? Anyone?  Please?  I assure you they are really good.   I actually don't expect much from the C's until the summer, but since this is Celticsblog I had to include a comment on them too.

Other teams I'll be watching to a lesser extent are Indiana (add one more piece), Detroit (Brandon Jennings trade), Milwaukee (address PG of the future, or stay married to MCW), Minnesota (do they move Ricky Rubio) and Sacramento (crazy GM + insane owner = unpredictable trades; no not Cousins though).

Long story short, I'm excited about this year's trade season, and I could be wrong but I don't think it will be a total dud.
nice summary - TP

I think the likeliest buyer is Miami where they're in win-now mode and have a couple of pieces that could fetch a decent haul of rotation players (like what Boston could provide).  Whiteside and Winslow could each bring in 1-2 rotation players that fill gaps on their bench without hurting Miami's core.

Say Whiteside and Winslow for  (just talent based, not counting the $ balancing) Zeller, Lee, JJ and Turner.  Quantity for Quality might be a feasible thing for these teams.  Probably have to take a bad deal back from Miami to balance the $.
Each of those guys would solidify Miami's bench.  C's would get a look at Whiteside to see if he's worth keeping for next year and Danny finally gets his binkie in Winslow.  C's would not be giving up a 'core' player and should solidify their chances of getting in the playoffs this year.

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2016, 01:39:15 PM »

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I am REALLY anxious to see what this trade deadline looks like.  I really don't know what to expect. 

The landscape in the league seems like it is quite a bit different than in previous season leaving so many questions to be elaborated on in the coming weeks.  With the tight bunch of teams currently fighting for the playoffs in the east, and the surprisingly large pile of disappointing teams in the West will there be enough sellers to pair with buyers?  How will the rising cap affect valuations?  Will teams be willing to part with players who are under contract for 2 – 4 years into the future, or will any future contract certainty command a huge premium to acquire?  Does that mean there will be a bunch of expiring for expiring "shuffling the deck chairs" moves instead? 

The teams I will most closely be keeping my eye on will be:

New Orleans – Since drafting Anthony Davis this team has done about as bad a job as possible putting a team core around him.  They came into the season with playoff expectations and have been pretty awful to date.  The GM and new coach probably both under pressure to perform to still have jobs next season.  I expect they will make some moves to either a) make a fleeting run at the playoffs, or b) make moves for the future by shipping out the expiring contracts of Eric Gordon and/or Ryan Anderson (who seems to be pretty in demand across the league), or unloading that albatross of a contract they handed to Omir "stone hands" Asik this past summer.

Phoenix – Team is currently a smoldering dumpster fire of disappointing play and locker room discontent.  Couple that with a notoriously impatient owner, and I think moves are very likely.  Pretty much everyone's job on this team is up in the air, and I'd say anyone aside from Devin Booker could be traded before the deadline.  I think Markieff Morris will definitely be moved.  Do they dump Tyson Chandler for some value now since he is a bit old for the trajectory of the rest of the roster?  Do they trade Brandon Knight and go completely in the tank this season knowing that they have Eric Bledsoe coming back next season, OR do they go completely in the opposite direction and trade Eric Bledsoe to team in need of a future PG (similar to the Andrew Bogut trade GSW made a few years back) for an asset at a different position of which Phoenix needs many.

Miami – I kind of think they will move Hassan Whiteside for value before the deadline, rather than risk losing him in the summer.  I don't think he is key to their playoff run this year, but he is a great asset to have stumbled on for absolutely free.  They also have Justise Winslow (I expect they will end up keeping him), who would be a primo asset to package in the unlikely event of a blockbuster coming on the market before the deadline passes.

Washington – disappointing team that started the year with expectations, but at current rate looks to either miss the playoffs all together, or sputter out with a whimper.  I could see them wanting to make some changes in order to allow the team to make a 2nd half playoff push.

Houston – Morey can't like how this team is playing given that the Rockets fancied themselves as title contenders this year.  They really only have one scorer on the team, and a lot of interesting youngish players they probably can move.  I think they will shuffle the roster a bit, even if the moves aren't mind blowing. 

Boston – we have a lot of delicious appetizers over here.  Anyone want to trade one main course for them? Anyone?  Please?  I assure you they are really good.   I actually don't expect much from the C's until the summer, but since this is Celticsblog I had to include a comment on them too.

Other teams I'll be watching to a lesser extent are Indiana (add one more piece), Detroit (Brandon Jennings trade), Milwaukee (address PG of the future, or stay married to MCW), Minnesota (do they move Ricky Rubio) and Sacramento (crazy GM + insane owner = unpredictable trades; no not Cousins though).

Long story short, I'm excited about this year's trade season, and I could be wrong but I don't think it will be a total dud.
nice summary - TP

I think the likeliest buyer is Miami where they're in win-now mode and have a couple of pieces that could fetch a decent haul of rotation players (like what Boston could provide).  Whiteside and Winslow could each bring in 1-2 rotation players that fill gaps on their bench without hurting Miami's core.

Say Whiteside and Winslow for  (just talent based, not counting the $ balancing) Zeller, Lee, JJ and Turner.  Quantity for Quality might be a feasible thing for these teams.  Probably have to take a bad deal back from Miami to balance the $.
Each of those guys would solidify Miami's bench.  C's would get a look at Whiteside to see if he's worth keeping for next year and Danny finally gets his binkie in Winslow.  C's would not be giving up a 'core' player and should solidify their chances of getting in the playoffs this year.
Really bad trade for Miami.  If you're trying to compete for a championship, you don't trade quality for quantity.  Miami's giving up the two best players and they're not even getting any picks.  Ainge tried to trade four 1sts to get Winslow in the draft but your trade gets him for junk. 

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2016, 02:34:50 PM »

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I am REALLY anxious to see what this trade deadline looks like.  I really don't know what to expect. 

The landscape in the league seems like it is quite a bit different than in previous season leaving so many questions to be elaborated on in the coming weeks.  With the tight bunch of teams currently fighting for the playoffs in the east, and the surprisingly large pile of disappointing teams in the West will there be enough sellers to pair with buyers?  How will the rising cap affect valuations?  Will teams be willing to part with players who are under contract for 2 – 4 years into the future, or will any future contract certainty command a huge premium to acquire?  Does that mean there will be a bunch of expiring for expiring "shuffling the deck chairs" moves instead? 

The teams I will most closely be keeping my eye on will be:

New Orleans – Since drafting Anthony Davis this team has done about as bad a job as possible putting a team core around him.  They came into the season with playoff expectations and have been pretty awful to date.  The GM and new coach probably both under pressure to perform to still have jobs next season.  I expect they will make some moves to either a) make a fleeting run at the playoffs, or b) make moves for the future by shipping out the expiring contracts of Eric Gordon and/or Ryan Anderson (who seems to be pretty in demand across the league), or unloading that albatross of a contract they handed to Omir "stone hands" Asik this past summer.

Phoenix – Team is currently a smoldering dumpster fire of disappointing play and locker room discontent.  Couple that with a notoriously impatient owner, and I think moves are very likely.  Pretty much everyone's job on this team is up in the air, and I'd say anyone aside from Devin Booker could be traded before the deadline.  I think Markieff Morris will definitely be moved.  Do they dump Tyson Chandler for some value now since he is a bit old for the trajectory of the rest of the roster?  Do they trade Brandon Knight and go completely in the tank this season knowing that they have Eric Bledsoe coming back next season, OR do they go completely in the opposite direction and trade Eric Bledsoe to team in need of a future PG (similar to the Andrew Bogut trade GSW made a few years back) for an asset at a different position of which Phoenix needs many.

Miami – I kind of think they will move Hassan Whiteside for value before the deadline, rather than risk losing him in the summer.  I don't think he is key to their playoff run this year, but he is a great asset to have stumbled on for absolutely free.  They also have Justise Winslow (I expect they will end up keeping him), who would be a primo asset to package in the unlikely event of a blockbuster coming on the market before the deadline passes.

Washington – disappointing team that started the year with expectations, but at current rate looks to either miss the playoffs all together, or sputter out with a whimper.  I could see them wanting to make some changes in order to allow the team to make a 2nd half playoff push.

Houston – Morey can't like how this team is playing given that the Rockets fancied themselves as title contenders this year.  They really only have one scorer on the team, and a lot of interesting youngish players they probably can move.  I think they will shuffle the roster a bit, even if the moves aren't mind blowing. 

Boston – we have a lot of delicious appetizers over here.  Anyone want to trade one main course for them? Anyone?  Please?  I assure you they are really good.   I actually don't expect much from the C's until the summer, but since this is Celticsblog I had to include a comment on them too.

Other teams I'll be watching to a lesser extent are Indiana (add one more piece), Detroit (Brandon Jennings trade), Milwaukee (address PG of the future, or stay married to MCW), Minnesota (do they move Ricky Rubio) and Sacramento (crazy GM + insane owner = unpredictable trades; no not Cousins though).

Long story short, I'm excited about this year's trade season, and I could be wrong but I don't think it will be a total dud.
nice summary - TP

I think the likeliest buyer is Miami where they're in win-now mode and have a couple of pieces that could fetch a decent haul of rotation players (like what Boston could provide).  Whiteside and Winslow could each bring in 1-2 rotation players that fill gaps on their bench without hurting Miami's core.

Say Whiteside and Winslow for  (just talent based, not counting the $ balancing) Zeller, Lee, JJ and Turner.  Quantity for Quality might be a feasible thing for these teams.  Probably have to take a bad deal back from Miami to balance the $.
Each of those guys would solidify Miami's bench.  C's would get a look at Whiteside to see if he's worth keeping for next year and Danny finally gets his binkie in Winslow.  C's would not be giving up a 'core' player and should solidify their chances of getting in the playoffs this year.
Really bad trade for Miami.  If you're trying to compete for a championship, you don't trade quality for quantity.  Miami's giving up the two best players and they're not even getting any picks.  Ainge tried to trade four 1sts to get Winslow in the draft but your trade gets him for junk. 
I specifically mentioned it's a trade of quantity over quality.  Miami also doesn't have to play games with Whiteside's contract negotations for next season.  Winslow's not a better player than who we're sending out.  A better 'prospect', absolutely but you have to give up something to get something when you're competing now.  C's are likely to lose Whiteside so I wouldn't give up much to get him.  The prize is getting Winslow and hoping he becomes a solid starter at SF.

I'd consider adding the worse of the Boston/Dallas picks this year for Miami but that's about it other than maybe a couple of second rounders.  As for Ainge giving up 4 firsts for him, by this point the consensus I've seen is Charlotte was foolish to pass that up.  Just because they did (and let's not forget they're run by Michael Jordan who stinks at running a franchise), doesn't mean Miami wouldn't consider cashing him in to shore up their depth charts with guys that can actually play.

I'm in no way saying Miami would do this deal -- just an example of a team that could afford to go quantity over quality in a trade and a potential need to do so. 

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2016, 03:26:47 PM »

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Don't see much happening for Celtics.  Look how long Danny kept Bass.   I don't see him giving away Sully or  Zeller .   I think he waiting out a bigger fish to use them as bait.

Lee may need to go , not only because he sucks so bad.......I have a feeling a riff maybe developing between him and the coaches / team.   

DA may chuck him ...just to get rid of a whiner and distraction.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2016, 11:21:25 AM by SHAQATTACK »

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2016, 12:44:37 PM »

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What is really bugging me is that no trade that is noticable happened so far and there arent even any rumors...
Strange year regarding the trade market...

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2016, 12:58:34 PM »

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To Slam -

You are sending away four players that every Celtic fan would be okay losing for nothing and bringing in an elite defensive center (not offensive) and a guy Danny was willing to sell the farm for.

I think we would need to send out Crowder and Sully to even have a chance at getting Winslow.

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2016, 10:34:50 AM »

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What is really bugging me is that no trade that is noticable happened so far and there arent even any rumors...
Strange year regarding the trade market...
Very Quiet for sure. Everybody will have money next year, Lockout and many teams are close to 8th spot. Hopefully things will change soon.
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Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2016, 11:10:26 AM »

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To Slam -

You are sending away four players that every Celtic fan would be okay losing for nothing and bringing in an elite defensive center (not offensive) and a guy Danny was willing to sell the farm for.

I think we would need to send out Crowder and Sully to even have a chance at getting Winslow.

Let me be real clear here!!  I would NEVER send Crowder (currently the THIRD best SF defender in the ENTIRE NBA!!!) and Sully (our best rebounder) for a chance to get a guy (Winslow) that might NEVER be as good as Jae is right now!!!

Is that you Pat Riley??????:-))))

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Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2016, 11:19:39 AM »

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We need someone with a jumpshot!  Winslow just adds to our glut of good defenders who can't make a shot.

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2016, 11:44:32 AM »

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What is really bugging me is that no trade that is noticable happened so far and there arent even any rumors...
Strange year regarding the trade market...

agreed....I think it will be slow again... everyone in the east THINKS they have a chance at the Eastern Conference finals vs Cavs.

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2016, 11:51:32 AM »

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I wouldn't do it as a Celtic/Crowder fan. But WCS fans might?  I think both Sactown and the Clippers
would be wise to pull the trigger.  At the very least the Kings would helps themselves as a free agent destination with this trade.  LA is already a draw so Doc should be thinking more about how his players fit.  Does 11 wins in a row without Griffin give him the courage to pull the trigger on this?  I doubt it,
but imo he should break up his current big 3.

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2016, 11:54:21 AM »

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What is really bugging me is that no trade that is noticable happened so far and there arent even any rumors...
Strange year regarding the trade market...

Haha, I think last year we were doing every single trade from December to the trade deadline.

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2016, 11:55:16 AM »

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To Slam -

You are sending away four players that every Celtic fan would be okay losing for nothing and bringing in an elite defensive center (not offensive) and a guy Danny was willing to sell the farm for.

I think we would need to send out Crowder and Sully to even have a chance at getting Winslow.

Let me be real clear here!!  I would NEVER send Crowder (currently the THIRD best SF defender in the ENTIRE NBA!!!) and Sully (our best rebounder) for a chance to get a guy (Winslow) that might NEVER be as good as Jae is right now!!!

Is that you Pat Riley??????:-))))

Smitty77
I agree that I wouldn't send out either Sully or Crowder for Winslow. 

again, I'm not advocating this as a deal that either would make, just an example of a team that may be in  position this year to be willing to make a quantity for quality deal.  Miami would provide 2 players of better quality than what they'd be getting back based on the premise of getting a quantity of players capable of filling holes on their roster to help them compete this year and probably next year as well. 

I'm not trying to advocate that this is a deal that WILL be made, just offering an example of the kind of deal where a 'buyer' franchise may go for quantity in place of quality using the C's as an example of a team that is in good position to provide the quantity

Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2016, 04:27:47 PM »

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jktthns

I wouldn't do it as a Celtic/Crowder fan. But WCS fans might?  I think both Sactown and the Clippers
would be wise to pull the trigger.  At the very least the Kings would helps themselves as a free agent destination with this trade.  LA is already a draw so Doc should be thinking more about how his players fit.  Does 11 wins in a row without Griffin give him the courage to pull the trigger on this?  I doubt it,
but imo he should break up his current big 3.
Blake Griffin is not going anywhere.
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Re: Trade Deadline 2015 - 2016
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2016, 05:04:02 PM »

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I'm calling it right now.  No starting caliber players get moved at this deadline. 

All the good teams out west will stand pat, and too many teams in the east are playing well enough not to tinker.  With everyone getting cap space this summer, no need to make a risky decision (like deal with Ainge).