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Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2016, 08:54:27 AM »

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Ainge targetted Nerlens Noel and Justice Winslow and I think that would give a good inclination.  A physical guard who is athletic and doesnt give much in quickness either. A guy that can outphysical players to the rim.  And a big who can cover a lot of ground and swat shots.  I dont think those guys were necessarily the answer.  We can do better.  Brown and Simmons would be good.  We want guys who can really score it and roam around and swat shots and outphyscial guys to the rim.  2 goto scorers in that mold.  I dont think noel is that great a scorer and winslow isn't that great either. But you get the idea.

A guard like Jason Richardson would do in his prime.  Bill Russell lol.  The spurs have Kawai Leonard and Aldridge but are pretty old and slow elsewhere.  Aldridge isnt really a roamer either who can cover a lot of ground.

The pieces we have otherwise are good.  I think our guards are physical, aggressive and quick.  Isaiah is a scorer.  Young and RJ are developing s hooters.  Kelly has length and versatility and Sully provides Muscle.  Amir is a good vet and mickey should come on.

I'm souring on Cousins because he doesnt cover a lot of ground and hurts his team as far as chemistry and takes poor shots.

Jimmy Butler and Anthony Davis would fit but I more think we are going to get Brown and Simmons maybe.
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Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 09:02:30 AM »

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What do the Celts need? 

First you have to answer what the Celts have.


Right now, the way I see it is that the Celts have an above average starting point guard in Isaiah Thomas.  They've got a solid starting wing in Jae Crowder.  They've got a decent but replaceable starting shooting guard in Avery Bradley.

Aside from that, they've got a handful of decent bench players. 

Smart and Turner are capable backup ball-handler options; one is more defense-focused and the other is more of a shot creator.

Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, Amir Johnson, and David Lee are all productive backup-caliber big men that each has significant strengths and significant flaws.


Conclusion:

- The Celts are pretty well off at point guard and wing.
- An upgrade at shooting guard wouldn't hurt but isn't a major need
- The team really needs a couple of no-doubt starting caliber big men

So I think if you added a forward like, say, Danilo Gallinari, and a big man like, say, Derrick Favors, and those two became the starting frontcourt, that would fill the biggest needs the team has.


All of the above is approaching the "What do the Celtics Need?" problem on a positional basis.


The other way you could look at this is by asking what the Celts are good at and what they are not good at.


Good:

- 12th in Offensive Rebound Rate
- 8th in Assist Ratio
- 2nd in Steals
- 1st (tied) in Opponent Turnovers
- 3rd in Opponent 3P%
- 7th in 3PA

Bad:

- 25th in 3P%
- 23rd in FTA
- 24th in Defensive Rebound Rate
- 18th in Blocks
- 23rd in Points Per Shot


The answer based on those rankings appears to be that the Celts really need to add players that can control the boards on defense, block shots, get to the free throw line, hit a high percentage of shots from outside, and generally score with efficiency.

All of that is consistent with the above -- adding big men who can rebound, protect the rim, get to the line, score with efficiency, and ideally also help space the floor would go a long way toward shoring up the team's weaknesses.

That description basically limits the selection to All-Star caliber big men, however, possibly the hardest type of player to acquire.  It definitely helps you understand why Ainge was so keen on acquiring Kevin Love, though.  He would have checked off a lot of boxes.

Upgrading the shooting guard spot with a player who can provide similar scoring and shooting as Avery Bradley while also attacking the rim and getting to the line more frequently would also help. 

But again, that's probably an All-Star caliber player, and shooting guard is probably the shallowest position in the league talent-wise.


Taking your premise into consideration.

Would you try to trade for Tyson Chandler? Always an injury concern and on a long contract (which might tie up quite a bit of our cap space, but maybe enough would still remain regardless?).

A 3-man rotation of Tyson-Amir-Sullinger should solve some of your concerns. I'd assume Olynyk would still remain so you have his outside shooting as well. And there's Mickey coming up soon.

With the assumption that Amir won't stay around after this season, having a player like Tyson along with the young players we already have in the 4-5 spots might make a lot of sense particularly if you figure that Sullinger's best position is as a center (it's seeming that way this season). So you give Tyson and Sullinger all the center minutes, and Olynyk and Mickey all the PF minutes with the exceptions of when we go small.

One of the biggest things about Sullinger and Olynyk is that they've never been paired with another big that would play with their strengths and cover their weaknesses. Almost always their whole careers have been about playing out of position alongside other PF types (or inexperienced/weak centers). So I'm curious how the presence of a Tyson Chandler type would work for these two.

Now, that's just in theory. In practice... well... Chandler is 33 years old already and has always been an injury concern.

But just putting it out there for someone that might be attainable and probably not expensive to get (trade assets wise) while checking off some of the concerns you mention.

The other aspects you mention seems a bit harder to justify getting. Teams seem very reluctant to move players that can really score the ball, and those that can I'm not certain they'd be an upgrade over what we already have.

The real question is, who's Turner? Because if he's being aggressive and attacking the rim and more so if he's a facilitator instead of trying to look for his shots over and over (except when he's going strong to the hole, and maybe in post up situations) then chances are that a lot of what you are looking for he could fill. The other problem is that in his absence, who's running the offense? Hopefully Smart can step up to that role.

What I'm not seeing is an abundance of shooters at the SF spot, but at the SF spot it's also an area we need to improve defensively behind Crowder.

So the question then becomes, is someone like Lance Stephenson available and would you trade for him?

Clippers are using him, but not all that much. He's a bit behind in the depth chart. So something worth considering. He has a team option thought, and that may be of value as a trade asset. So that alone might make him untouchable. That said, I don't know when is the execution date of that team option, that may be critical to know what its real value is.

So those are my two suggestions for now: Tyson Chandler and Lance Stephenson.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 09:02:38 AM »

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Ingram fits the scoring needs, but not the rebounding like Simmons.  Either one would be great additions.

My take is that efficient scoring is our number one need.  That's not Carmelo.  Maybe Gallo.  They're not easy to find.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2016, 09:28:33 AM »

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I'll state the obvious: Ben Simmons

If we get a bit lucky and get him, I see us challenging for titles out as far as the eye can see. With Jarrett Jack out, it looks like Brooklyn will end up with the 2nd or 3rd worst record. We will have a legit shot at this.

Simmons will not be the go to scorer that we need for about 4 years. But he will be an elite defender and rebounder and the best passer on the team on his first day. He will break down defenses and get easy shots for others immediately. We will be the quickest team in the league.

Because he is drafted, Ainge will still have the financial and trade chip resources necessary to go after two or more other complimentary players.

There are obviously many paths to contention. But that one is the easiest and would have the longest impact.

There's been a lot of talk on these boards about Simmons vs Brandon Ingram and rightfully so many have pointed to the fact despite both being freshman, Simmons is 1.3 years older than Ingram, thereby naming Ingram as the superior prospect.

But for our team, we are in a rare case where it might actually be better to take the more physically mature Simmons than the extremely thin (yet immensly talented) Ingram. Either prospect would be incredible but Simmons could really turn us into the powerhouse the east has been looking for. He's strong, athletic enough vertically, and has incedible handles for a guy his size.

Right now I want to see how he measures out at the combine. According to Draft Express his standing reach was measured at 8'7 (concerningly low) at The Nike Hoops Summit and 9.05 ft (probably generous) at LSU. Guys like Melo and Blake Griffin come in about 8'10 standing reach so as long as he's close to that while when the combine comes around he'll be my choice for this team.

That being said, if Danny was to pick Ingram it's because he thinks he could be a generational scorer on the wing, a second chance at Kevin Durant and I'd be singing his praises. A lot of people are low on this draft but it has a very interesting battle forming at the top.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 09:29:21 AM »

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I think we just need talent in any form. It could be a guard, a wing or big. It can be someone who's better on offense or someone who's better on defense. I have a lot of trust in Stevens - give him talent and he'll make it work.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 09:29:52 AM »

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What do the Celts need? 

First you have to answer what the Celts have.


Right now, the way I see it is that the Celts have an above average starting point guard in Isaiah Thomas.  They've got a solid starting wing in Jae Crowder.  They've got a decent but replaceable starting shooting guard in Avery Bradley.

Aside from that, they've got a handful of decent bench players. 

Smart and Turner are capable backup ball-handler options; one is more defense-focused and the other is more of a shot creator.

Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, Amir Johnson, and David Lee are all productive backup-caliber big men that each has significant strengths and significant flaws.


Conclusion:

- The Celts are pretty well off at point guard and wing.
- An upgrade at shooting guard wouldn't hurt but isn't a major need
- The team really needs a couple of no-doubt starting caliber big men

So I think if you added a forward like, say, Danilo Gallinari, and a big man like, say, Derrick Favors, and those two became the starting frontcourt, that would fill the biggest needs the team has.


All of the above is approaching the "What do the Celtics Need?" problem on a positional basis.


The other way you could look at this is by asking what the Celts are good at and what they are not good at.


Good:

- 12th in Offensive Rebound Rate
- 8th in Assist Ratio
- 2nd in Steals
- 1st (tied) in Opponent Turnovers
- 3rd in Opponent 3P%
- 7th in 3PA

Bad:

- 25th in 3P%
- 23rd in FTA
- 24th in Defensive Rebound Rate
- 18th in Blocks
- 23rd in Points Per Shot


The answer based on those rankings appears to be that the Celts really need to add players that can control the boards on defense, block shots, get to the free throw line, hit a high percentage of shots from outside, and generally score with efficiency.

All of that is consistent with the above -- adding big men who can rebound, protect the rim, get to the line, score with efficiency, and ideally also help space the floor would go a long way toward shoring up the team's weaknesses.

That description basically limits the selection to All-Star caliber big men, however, possibly the hardest type of player to acquire.  It definitely helps you understand why Ainge was so keen on acquiring Kevin Love, though.  He would have checked off a lot of boxes.

Upgrading the shooting guard spot with a player who can provide similar scoring and shooting as Avery Bradley while also attacking the rim and getting to the line more frequently would also help. 

But again, that's probably an All-Star caliber player, and shooting guard is probably the shallowest position in the league talent-wise.


Taking your premise into consideration.

Would you try to trade for Tyson Chandler? Always an injury concern and on a long contract (which might tie up quite a bit of our cap space, but maybe enough would still remain regardless?).

A 3-man rotation of Tyson-Amir-Sullinger should solve some of your concerns. I'd assume Olynyk would still remain so you have his outside shooting as well. And there's Mickey coming up soon.

With the assumption that Amir won't stay around after this season, having a player like Tyson along with the young players we already have in the 4-5 spots might make a lot of sense particularly if you figure that Sullinger's best position is as a center (it's seeming that way this season). So you give Tyson and Sullinger all the center minutes, and Olynyk and Mickey all the PF minutes with the exceptions of when we go small.

One of the biggest things about Sullinger and Olynyk is that they've never been paired with another big that would play with their strengths and cover their weaknesses. Almost always their whole careers have been about playing out of position alongside other PF types (or inexperienced/weak centers). So I'm curious how the presence of a Tyson Chandler type would work for these two.

Now, that's just in theory. In practice... well... Chandler is 33 years old already and has always been an injury concern.

But just putting it out there for someone that might be attainable and probably not expensive to get (trade assets wise) while checking off some of the concerns you mention.

The other aspects you mention seems a bit harder to justify getting. Teams seem very reluctant to move players that can really score the ball, and those that can I'm not certain they'd be an upgrade over what we already have.

The real question is, who's Turner? Because if he's being aggressive and attacking the rim and more so if he's a facilitator instead of trying to look for his shots over and over (except when he's going strong to the hole, and maybe in post up situations) then chances are that a lot of what you are looking for he could fill. The other problem is that in his absence, who's running the offense? Hopefully Smart can step up to that role.

What I'm not seeing is an abundance of shooters at the SF spot, but at the SF spot it's also an area we need to improve defensively behind Crowder.

So the question then becomes, is someone like Lance Stephenson available and would you trade for him?

Clippers are using him, but not all that much. He's a bit behind in the depth chart. So something worth considering. He has a team option thought, and that may be of value as a trade asset. So that alone might make him untouchable. That said, I don't know when is the execution date of that team option, that may be critical to know what its real value is.

So those are my two suggestions for now: Tyson Chandler and Lance Stephenson.

Chandler wouldn't be expensive to get because Phoenix signed him to a ludicrous 4 year, 52 million dollar contract last offseason. That means he'd be stuck here until 2019 when he'll be 36. I don't think the veteran leadership he'd provide would be worth it, plus as you mention he's already been bothered by injuries this season - his body is only going to get worse in the coming years.

Phoenix would be thrilled if somebody took Chandler from them. At this point I think they'd have to give up a pick just to get rid of his salary. They gambled that signing Chandler would help them recruit Aldridge and it failed. That's the problem with being a bad team, you have to overpay free agents for them to even consider you. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandler is thinking right now, "Thank god some team gave me a last big paycheck. I already won a title, now I can just retire early in beautiful sunny Arizona with this crappy lottery team."

I don't want Stephenson on this team because he can't shoot a lick. For that reason he's not a clear upgrade over Turner, who's on a very reasonable deal and isn't a locker room problem.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 09:30:35 AM »

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Good bigs. More like Kevin Love and Andre Drummond. Less like Amir J and Sully. I like Sully but I don't love him

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2016, 09:31:05 AM »

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Also need M Smart to stay on the court and start hitting shots

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2016, 09:38:51 AM »

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I dont want Drummond's free throws anywhere near this team. He's also not a very good offensive player. Tommy said it you just need to keep him away from the basket and you take away half his game. He's a dunk machine. Cousins is trying to be more well rounded but he isn't really that either.  He's better than Drummond though. 

I don't think either guy is for us. Cousins could be but I doubt it.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2016, 09:40:58 AM »

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What do the Celts need? 

First you have to answer what the Celts have.


Right now, the way I see it is that the Celts have an above average starting point guard in Isaiah Thomas.  They've got a solid starting wing in Jae Crowder.  They've got a decent but replaceable starting shooting guard in Avery Bradley.

Aside from that, they've got a handful of decent bench players. 

Smart and Turner are capable backup ball-handler options; one is more defense-focused and the other is more of a shot creator.

Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, Amir Johnson, and David Lee are all productive backup-caliber big men that each has significant strengths and significant flaws.


Conclusion:

- The Celts are pretty well off at point guard and wing.
- An upgrade at shooting guard wouldn't hurt but isn't a major need
- The team really needs a couple of no-doubt starting caliber big men

So I think if you added a forward like, say, Danilo Gallinari, and a big man like, say, Derrick Favors, and those two became the starting frontcourt, that would fill the biggest needs the team has.


All of the above is approaching the "What do the Celtics Need?" problem on a positional basis.


The other way you could look at this is by asking what the Celts are good at and what they are not good at.


Good:

- 12th in Offensive Rebound Rate
- 8th in Assist Ratio
- 2nd in Steals
- 1st (tied) in Opponent Turnovers
- 3rd in Opponent 3P%
- 7th in 3PA

Bad:

- 25th in 3P%
- 23rd in FTA
- 24th in Defensive Rebound Rate
- 18th in Blocks
- 23rd in Points Per Shot


The answer based on those rankings appears to be that the Celts really need to add players that can control the boards on defense, block shots, get to the free throw line, hit a high percentage of shots from outside, and generally score with efficiency.

All of that is consistent with the above -- adding big men who can rebound, protect the rim, get to the line, score with efficiency, and ideally also help space the floor would go a long way toward shoring up the team's weaknesses.

That description basically limits the selection to All-Star caliber big men, however, possibly the hardest type of player to acquire.  It definitely helps you understand why Ainge was so keen on acquiring Kevin Love, though.  He would have checked off a lot of boxes.

Upgrading the shooting guard spot with a player who can provide similar scoring and shooting as Avery Bradley while also attacking the rim and getting to the line more frequently would also help. 

But again, that's probably an All-Star caliber player, and shooting guard is probably the shallowest position in the league talent-wise.


Taking your premise into consideration.

Would you try to trade for Tyson Chandler? Always an injury concern and on a long contract (which might tie up quite a bit of our cap space, but maybe enough would still remain regardless?).

A 3-man rotation of Tyson-Amir-Sullinger should solve some of your concerns. I'd assume Olynyk would still remain so you have his outside shooting as well. And there's Mickey coming up soon.

With the assumption that Amir won't stay around after this season, having a player like Tyson along with the young players we already have in the 4-5 spots might make a lot of sense particularly if you figure that Sullinger's best position is as a center (it's seeming that way this season). So you give Tyson and Sullinger all the center minutes, and Olynyk and Mickey all the PF minutes with the exceptions of when we go small.

One of the biggest things about Sullinger and Olynyk is that they've never been paired with another big that would play with their strengths and cover their weaknesses. Almost always their whole careers have been about playing out of position alongside other PF types (or inexperienced/weak centers). So I'm curious how the presence of a Tyson Chandler type would work for these two.

Now, that's just in theory. In practice... well... Chandler is 33 years old already and has always been an injury concern.

But just putting it out there for someone that might be attainable and probably not expensive to get (trade assets wise) while checking off some of the concerns you mention.

The other aspects you mention seems a bit harder to justify getting. Teams seem very reluctant to move players that can really score the ball, and those that can I'm not certain they'd be an upgrade over what we already have.

The real question is, who's Turner? Because if he's being aggressive and attacking the rim and more so if he's a facilitator instead of trying to look for his shots over and over (except when he's going strong to the hole, and maybe in post up situations) then chances are that a lot of what you are looking for he could fill. The other problem is that in his absence, who's running the offense? Hopefully Smart can step up to that role.

What I'm not seeing is an abundance of shooters at the SF spot, but at the SF spot it's also an area we need to improve defensively behind Crowder.

So the question then becomes, is someone like Lance Stephenson available and would you trade for him?

Clippers are using him, but not all that much. He's a bit behind in the depth chart. So something worth considering. He has a team option thought, and that may be of value as a trade asset. So that alone might make him untouchable. That said, I don't know when is the execution date of that team option, that may be critical to know what its real value is.

So those are my two suggestions for now: Tyson Chandler and Lance Stephenson.

Chandler wouldn't be expensive to get because Phoenix signed him to a ludicrous 4 year, 52 million dollar contract last offseason. That means he'd be stuck here until 2019 when he'll be 36. I don't think the veteran leadership he'd provide would be worth it, plus as you mention he's already been bothered by injuries this season - his body is only going to get worse in the coming years.

Phoenix would be thrilled if somebody took Chandler from them. At this point I think they'd have to give up a pick just to get rid of his salary. They gambled that signing Chandler would help them recruit Aldridge and it failed. That's the problem with being a bad team, you have to overpay free agents for them to even consider you. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandler is thinking right now, "Thank god some team gave me a last big paycheck. I already won a title, now I can just retire early in beautiful sunny Arizona with this crappy lottery team."

I don't want Stephenson on this team because he can't shoot a lick. For that reason he's not a clear upgrade over Turner, who's on a very reasonable deal and isn't a locker room problem.

Yep, pretty much what I alluded to regarding Chandler.

As for Stephenson, well... he's 42.6% from the field... 46%+ in the last month, and for the season he's 35% from 3-point land. I'll let you compare that to Turner yourself. :)

Also, he brings more defense with him than Turner does. At least he should.

Not saying he's playing all that good, but he should improve some areas where we're deficient. That said, I'm not sure if the reduction in playmaking might be of benefit for us. That'll depend on Smart.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2016, 09:43:09 AM »

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Taking your premise into consideration.

Would you try to trade for Tyson Chandler? Always an injury concern and on a long contract (which might tie up quite a bit of our cap space, but maybe enough would still remain regardless?).

. . . .

So those are my two suggestions for now: Tyson Chandler and Lance Stephenson.


I have zero interest in either.  Chandler is locked up on a multiyear deal for a substantial chunk of money and appears to be in rapid decline.  When an older guy doesn't even look spry and young playing in Phoenix, that's a major red flag.


As for Stephenson, I don't think he's a good fit given the team's current strengths and weaknesses.  I'm also just not sure he's really much good at all.  Turner may not have the kind of physical talent Stevenson does, but he's figured out how to function pretty well in a backup ballhandler role.

I'd really prefer just to replace Turner with a backup point who can run the pick and roll and play off the ball a bit.  A Patty Mills / Jeremy Lin / Aaron Brooks type.
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Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2016, 09:57:06 AM »

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Taking your premise into consideration.

Would you try to trade for Tyson Chandler? Always an injury concern and on a long contract (which might tie up quite a bit of our cap space, but maybe enough would still remain regardless?).

. . . .

So those are my two suggestions for now: Tyson Chandler and Lance Stephenson.


I have zero interest in either.  Chandler is locked up on a multiyear deal for a substantial chunk of money and appears to be in rapid decline.  When an older guy doesn't even look spry and young playing in Phoenix, that's a major red flag.


As for Stephenson, I don't think he's a good fit given the team's current strengths and weaknesses.  I'm also just not sure he's really much good at all.  Turner may not have the kind of physical talent Stevenson does, but he's figured out how to function pretty well in a backup ballhandler role.

I'd really prefer just to replace Turner with a backup point who can run the pick and roll and play off the ball a bit.  A Patty Mills / Jeremy Lin / Aaron Brooks type.

As you mentioned though, what you're looking for in particular is hard to get as it is. So looking around quickly, Chandler pops-out for me for someone that's attainable. I do believe he'd have more success with us than in Phoenix.

His contract, age, injuries are a big concern though. Contract, well I'd really need to crunch some money to see how much he impacts our buying power or not. Not interested in doing that right now.

In the end I'm 80% sure I wouldn't go for him, but I think it's an interesting situation to study in general.

As for Stephenson... well you should be getting better shooting and defense from him at the SF spot, so he does address some of the concerns you're mentioning. There's a reduction in FTA, but historically he's fairly close to that of Turner as it is.

As you mention though, the ballhandling duties is the biggest concern here. And that being true, then you wouldn't be satisfied with just about anyone that is available to replace Turner AND is an upgrade over him... just because of that issue.

As for replacing Turner with a PG... well, you'd still run into the problem of having a backup SF. Or are you cool with Jerebko there? Run Smart as a SF then? Not sure that's the answer or the right move either.

But just the same, I'm not sure Stephenson in the end is all that better than Turner. I haven't watched much of him this year. He DOES seem to be playing a lot better as of late, so on that alone it would be worth looking into. He used to be a player that could create offense and handle the ball though. Keyword used to, but... as I said, playing better now. Who knows.

Of course, all of this is using the premise of the stats you think we should address to become better. And of course players that seem to be available.

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2016, 10:11:35 AM »

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In the NBA, the archetype for a team seems to have the defensive back bone coming from big men and the scoring coming from the back court.

This team relies on their back court for the defensive backbone, so it stands to reason that we need to add a big man that can really score.

So ideally what the C's need is a big that can carry the offensive load. It could also work to bring in a 3/4 scoring big man and slot them next to Crowder.

It would be nice if we can fill this role with Ingram or Simmons in the draft (and maybe even Poeltl). Horford would make sense as a free agent and I think Barnes could eventually be that type of player.
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Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2016, 10:13:14 AM »

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I would be ecstatic if we could make something like this with this years our or Dallas pick going to Memphis.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jp8kn6w

Why for Memphis:
the league is going in other direction of more athletic and faster play, and they are not going to win a championship with playing old style of bball with two bigs. This way they get younger, they get promising good shooter in Young, stretch four in Jonas and a good look at Sully till the end of the season. On top of that they get 1st round pick which should be around 20. They are getting rid of last year of Zach's contract (not that they need to bearing in mind next year's salary cup and all), but they are getting 3 young quality players who could mean something for prying Conley to sign when his contract is up in the summer.   

Why for Boston:
Maybe I'm slightly overpaying here because Z-Bo is 35, but he is what we need: a very good low post scorer, former all star and a leader. He had some rough times in the past but he is a veteran now so that should not be a risk. Bearing his style of play should age very well (which he's doing btw). I like Jonas, Sully and James but it should not be a problem for us because we have plenty of bigs and guards.

Starting lineup: Marcus, Bradley, Crowder, Randolph, Kelly O.
Off the bench: IT, RJ, Turner, Lee, Johnson + Zeller, Mickey and Rozier

Re: What pieces do the Celtics Really Need
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2016, 10:34:40 AM »

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I would be ecstatic if we could make something like this with this years our or Dallas pick going to Memphis.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jp8kn6w

Why for Memphis:
the league is going in other direction of more athletic and faster play, and they are not going to win a championship with playing old style of bball with two bigs. This way they get younger, they get promising good shooter in Young, stretch four in Jonas and a good look at Sully till the end of the season. On top of that they get 1st round pick which should be around 20. They are getting rid of last year of Zach's contract (not that they need to bearing in mind next year's salary cup and all), but they are getting 3 young quality players who could mean something for prying Conley to sign when his contract is up in the summer.   

Why for Boston:
Maybe I'm slightly overpaying here because Z-Bo is 35, but he is what we need: a very good low post scorer, former all star and a leader. He had some rough times in the past but he is a veteran now so that should not be a risk. Bearing his style of play should age very well (which he's doing btw). I like Jonas, Sully and James but it should not be a problem for us because we have plenty of bigs and guards.

Starting lineup: Marcus, Bradley, Crowder, Randolph, Kelly O.
Off the bench: IT, RJ, Turner, Lee, Johnson + Zeller, Mickey and Rozier

Just say no to Z-Bo.  Marc Gasol on the other hand would be a good fit.  Can space the floor and an excellent defender, defensive rebounder and passer.