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could somebody unravel this
« on: January 05, 2016, 09:25:46 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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ainge got zeller,turner,crowder,isaiah jerebko for what last year.Were there picks also--thanks
seems like ainge did a great job
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Perhaps the better question is: does anyone know a good, comprehensive, user friendly website which details player transactions.. seriously, anyone have a good tip?
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2016, 09:46:50 AM »

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there are guys that are really good at these technical areas-my memory short term is a little dulled by blood clot and medicines and recent mini stroke-
but it seems danny was a thief and picked some pockets for more than nets picks-

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ainge got zeller,turner,crowder,isaiah jerebko for what last year.Were there picks also--thanks
seems like ainge did a great job

Zeller was acquired alongside Marcus Thornton and a 1st round pick using the Pierce trade exception and a heavy protected 2nd rounder.

This first round pick we acquired here and Marcus Thornton was used to acquire Thomas. And it's Cleveland's so... not much lost there.

Turner was acquired via free-agency on the cheap for two years (this is his final year)

Crowder was acquired alongside a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder (and Jameer Nelson and Brandan Wright - this guy was later used to acquire the Minnesota 1st rounder via Phoenix) and what not for Rondo and Powell.

Jerebko was acquired using Prince.
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We got Zeller in the Marcus Thornton trade (Zeller, Thornton, and Cavs 1st for Paul Pierce TPE)

Turner was signed with the Tax Payers mid-level exception

Crowder was part of the Rondo trade

We got Isaiah for Marcus Thornton and the Cavs pick

We got Jerebko and Gigi for Tayshawn Prince (who we got in the Jeff Green trade)
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ainge got zeller,turner,crowder,isaiah jerebko for what last year.Were there picks also--thanks
seems like ainge did a great job

Zeller was acquired alongside Marcus Thornton and a 1st round pick using the Pierce trade exception and a heavy protected 2nd rounder.

This first round pick we acquired here and Marcus Thornton was used to acquire Thomas. And it's Cleveland's so... not much lost there.

Turner was acquired via free-agency on the cheap for two years (this is his final year)

Crowder was acquired alongside a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder and what not for Rondo and Powell.

Jerebko was acquired using Prince.

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thanks everyone-seems danny put together a playoff team for nothing from nothing--THE BIG QUESTION was the lttle guy worth winslow or draft position-

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thanks everyone-seems danny put together a playoff team for nothing from nothing--THE BIG QUESTION was the lttle guy worth winslow or draft position-

Yes.

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put in black and white it seems danny played his hand like a card shark-zeller ,turner,isaiah crowder, jerebko for nothing add draftees sully,olynck,avery,marcus,rozier,rj and mickey and all those draft picks as well as nets decline-
forgot to mention brad stevens under contract for 6yrs pulled out of college
the teardown from pierce ,garnett,green ,rondo and bass couldn't have been played better
the fans didn't suffer for long and to the depths some other francises have faced

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put in black and white it seems danny played his hand like a card shark-zeller ,turner,isaiah crowder, jerebko for nothing add draftees sully,olynck,avery,marcus,rozier,rj and mickey and all those draft picks as well as nets decline-
forgot to mention brad stevens under contract for 6yrs pulled out of college
the teardown from pierce ,garnett,green ,rondo and bass couldn't have been played better
the fans didn't suffer for long and to the depths some other francises have faced

This is very true. It's been an easy transition. The first year was rough. Last year was very good (24-12) once Rondo and Green were converted into better fits.

Basically, we only had to suffer for a year and a half.

It's impossible to complain.

Danny was a genius. He may not come close to Red Auerbach's greatness, but the divide between those two gm's may not be as wide as perhaps assumed.

Having a seasoned vet in Amir Johnson has helped a lot. That was a good move.

Danny proved himself by not only getting Ray and KG, but how he filled out the rest of the 2008 roster. I hate to sound like a homer, but that was the best team by far of that mini-era. It had a very small window, three years which was stretched out too long, imho.

I don't always agree with Danny, but it can't be denied he won a lot of small trades last year that added up to good value.

He may hit the jackpot with Brooklyn.

Back then it didn't seem assured the Nets would fall this low. I am not sure if Danny is lucky or great. I thought he should have resigned Posey and Tony Allen later on or maybe Tony had already decided the team was hurting his career.

It fell apart. Yet, even so, we still almost made it with Rasheed in the Finals and Shaq. That was a bittersweet era. Its roots were easily pulled out. This new team Ainge and Stevens are cooking up seems to have been re-potted much better.

I also didn't like the Perk trade for Jeff Green. On paper, it was good. Yet, it's better to ride it out with proven champions. Ainge might have overthought that one.

The big what if is what if KG didn't blow out his knee. I suppose getting to watch him and Paul carry us to the top in 2008 made it all worth it.

But yes, this new team has an excellent foundation and is fun to watch for the most part. There will be ups and downs. There is something unique to basketball with terms such as chemistry, the hot hand, player development, momentum... I guess that pretty much sums up where this team is. It has a very bright future and we are lucky to be Boston Celtics fans.
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thanks everyone-seems danny put together a playoff team for nothing from nothing--THE BIG QUESTION was the lttle guy worth winslow or draft position-
Yeah IT4 can be our All-Star this season, arguably the start that many people on here as for but fail to recognize. As of now our defense is excellence, and having Smart and Winslow might be a bit repetitive in terms of skill set. Although I would love to see Smart and Winslow on the floor together.

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His best move out of all of this was clearly Thomas.  That was like buying a 1st rounder from Phoenix to draft Rondo.  One man's dump is another man's treasure.

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I've always felt that the team should have acquired Isaiah at the deadline and then waived Prince and Bass instead of keeping Bass and trading Prince for Jerebko / Datome.  I think that would've been enough to just miss the playoffs.

Therefore, I disagree with the notion that missing out on a much higher draft pick was simply part of the cost of acquiring IT.  The move to add IT was a great one.  Bass, Jerebko and Datome played significant roles in getting the team to the post-season last year, though. 

Insisting on keeping / getting marginal value for expiring veterans instead of waiving them is harder to justify for me.
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thanks everyone-seems danny put together a playoff team for nothing from nothing--THE BIG QUESTION was the lttle guy worth winslow or draft position-

Well Rollie, considering Ainge didn't expect us to make the playoffs last year, I think the better way to state it is that Ainge got a bunch of role players at each position (for nothing), and Brad Stevens turned that collective of role players into a playoff team.

Brad's basically taken a team of nobodies and made everyone in the Eastern Conference fear playing them in the playoffs.
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