Brandon Ingram looking like legit franchise player?

[PhoSita]

I don't like him, he pretty much sucks.

(To be clear I'm saying this only because in years past, every time I've started hoping we get someone like this, our pick has fallen too low or the player has risen out of our draft range.)

So yeah. Awful.

NOT INTERESTED AT ALL.

I hear that.

Good news, even with the Nets winning a few games against the Celts, there's a good chance the C's will be in position to draft one of the following:

Simmons
Ingram
Bender
Skal
Brown
Poeltl
Ellenson
Murray
Dunn

I'd feel pretty alright with any of those guys, though Murray and Dunn wouldn't excite me as much -- more combo guards.

[Evantime34]

I don't like him, he pretty much sucks.

(To be clear I'm saying this only because in years past, every time I've started hoping we get someone like this, our pick has fallen too low or the player has risen out of our draft range.)

So yeah. Awful.

NOT INTERESTED AT ALL.

I hear that.

Good news, even with the Nets winning a few games against the Celts, there's a good chance the C's will be in position to draft one of the following:

Simmons
Ingram
Bender
Skal
Brown
Poeltl
Ellenson
Murray
Dunn

I'd feel pretty alright with any of those guys, though Murray and Dunn wouldn't excite me as much -- more combo guards.

TP!

While I obviously want Simmons or Ingram, I'm paying more attention to the other guys on my list so that I'm not disappointed when we inevitably don't get in the top 2.

[Boris Badenov]

I don't like him, he pretty much sucks.

(To be clear I'm saying this only because in years past, every time I've started hoping we get someone like this, our pick has fallen too low or the player has risen out of our draft range.)

So yeah. Awful.

NOT INTERESTED AT ALL.

I hear that.

Good news, even with the Nets winning a few games against the Celts, there's a good chance the C's will be in position to draft one of the following:

Simmons
Ingram
Bender
Skal
Brown
Poeltl
Ellenson
Murray
Dunn

I'd feel pretty alright with any of those guys, though Murray and Dunn wouldn't excite me as much -- more combo guards.

i'd agree with you except it would virtually guarantee that Danny flips #6 for #12 and a future 1st, and ends up picking Furkan Korkmaz.

[manl_lui]

I don't want to start a new thread but since this is a hot thread today I just want to throw out there, Brice Johnson just had a 39 pt 23 rebound game

is this also someone we can be looking at

I don't see him in draftexpress' mock draft but he is at 16 at nbadraft.net

[jpotter33]

Boy, I know everyone is on the Simmons bandwagon, but I'm liking what I see from Ingram. We need a shooting wing, and Ingram brings this much more than Simmons. He also has great size and athleticism, which should translate into good defense, too.

[Ilikesports17]

Ingram is starting to make this look like a two player draft instead of a one player draft.  Good stuff.

Even though I called it 2 years ago, it sucks having everyone talking about my guy and it gets me scared that we will miss him in the draft. Karl Towns flashbacks all-over again.

I get emotionally invested in these players and then they jump and I have to see them get drafted before our pick........it's very hard and causes conflict with other posters when they call me crazy for "trying to predict the future" and "I'm obsessed with potential"

Yea pretty much. It's ridiculous to make a move past offseason because there's someone you like in the '17 draft its stuff like that that makes people say you can't predict the future.

[Emmette Bryant]

I don't want to start a new thread but since this is a hot thread today I just want to throw out there, Brice Johnson just had a 39 pt 23 rebound game

is this also someone we can be looking at

I don't see him in draftexpress' mock draft but he is at 16 at nbadraft.net

Draft Express has him at 45   http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brice-Johnson-6437/

[chilidawg]

Great game for Johnson, but he needs to start showing some consistency.  Hield over 40 against Kansas, been doing it all year.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Ingram is starting to make this look like a two player draft instead of a one player draft.  Good stuff.

Even though I called it 2 years ago, it sucks having everyone talking about my guy and it gets me scared that we will miss him in the draft. Karl Towns flashbacks all-over again.

I get emotionally invested in these players and then they jump and I have to see them get drafted before our pick........it's very hard and causes conflict with other posters when they call me crazy for "trying to predict the future" and "I'm obsessed with potential"

Yea pretty much. It's ridiculous to make a move past offseason because there's someone you like in the '17 draft its stuff like that that makes people say you can't predict the future.

I've left more than enough proof to show who I picked and that it was years before they played a college game. I got crap from you and others for mentioning Ingrams name, and I mentioned it after every post because I knew this situation would happen, did the same thing with Towns.

There is a big differance between saying "I like so and so" and saying "This is the most underated player and he will be a top pick even though he is ranked 8th or 15th.

If you want to hold me to the fire: Dennis Smith Jr is who I predicted 2 years ago to be the top pick in 17'.

Anyways I'm sick of making bold predictions and being right aszll the time. How about you try? I bet you like some players but have no idea or time to scout them out or develop your own method. Please do post the next superstar 2-3 years in advance, at the end of each of your posts.

[chilidawg]

Humility dude, try some humility.

[MJohnnyboy]

Humility dude, try some humility.

[celticmania]

I like Ingram alot. He's going to be an elite scorer. Great instincts and footwork for an 18 yr old. Going to be a great shooter. Not the quickest or most explosive guy but has good body control which is rare for young long athletes and is so smooth. Overall solid to good athlete just doesn't have great burst but his footwork and skills will offset that. I'd take him over Simmons. I don't like non-centers who cannot shoot and Simmons' jumper is broken.

[Ilikesports17]

Ingram is starting to make this look like a two player draft instead of a one player draft.  Good stuff.

Even though I called it 2 years ago, it sucks having everyone talking about my guy and it gets me scared that we will miss him in the draft. Karl Towns flashbacks all-over again.

I get emotionally invested in these players and then they jump and I have to see them get drafted before our pick........it's very hard and causes conflict with other posters when they call me crazy for "trying to predict the future" and "I'm obsessed with potential"

Yea pretty much. It's ridiculous to make a move past offseason because there's someone you like in the '17 draft its stuff like that that makes people say you can't predict the future.

I've left more than enough proof to show who I picked and that it was years before they played a college game. I got crap from you and others for mentioning Ingrams name, and I mentioned it after every post because I knew this situation would happen, did the same thing with Towns.

There is a big differance between saying "I like so and so" and saying "This is the most underated player and he will be a top pick even though he is ranked 8th or 15th.

If you want to hold me to the fire: Dennis Smith Jr is who I predicted 2 years ago to be the top pick in 17'.

Anyways I'm sick of making bold predictions and being right aszll the time. How about you try? I bet you like some players but have no idea or time to scout them out or develop your own method. Please do post the next superstar 2-3 years in advance, at the end of each of your posts.

You seem to have a good mind about the draft sure.

I still think that calling it early is fairly meaningless. I mean great you picked who was gonna go # 1 really early thats genuinely impressive. I have  no problem with that. I dont even try to pretend I have real opinions on guys untill they get to college.

My problem has always been that you tend to lay out your plans like this.

Make move x this year, then in 2016 we select Brandon Ingram, the next season we select Thon Maker then make move Y, in the 2017 draft we add Dennis Smith Jr. then we have

Smith Jr
Smart/Hunter
then Ingram and Crowder can play the 3/4 combo
and then Maker.

In terms of scouting guys I think you are great I just think its a waste of time to name specific guys to pick in like 2 years. I mean Philly has tanked as hard as anyone and havent been able to get their hands on Wiggins or Towns.

Also, Ill give you Ingram, who was ranked #3 as early as this september, but last year was closer to 9-14.

However Towns was the #1 prospect for 2015 freshman when he reclassified to 2014 and became #3 (this was in December of 2012) behind Mudiay who got hurt and went to china which are pretty extreme circumstances and Okafor. You are no genius for finding him. Once again, props on Ingram, but relax on the I was on the Towns bandwagon before all of you schtick.


EDIT:

rereading my post, I think it comes off to aggressive. Basically i think you have conflated people "giving you crap" for your scouting and for the nature of your posts. In fact I dont look years into the future at all for drafts and I honestly took your scout report as all I knew about the guy. What I didnt like about your posts was that I feel like you often predicted the future in a sense calling for a very specific plan of action over the next 3 years and my gripe was: You cant predict this! maybe you can predict who will be the best prospect, but you cant predict how the lotto balls will fall, or where we will be in the draft, or if a player will suffer a massive injury or any of so many things. I mean how many teams "tanked for Wiggins"? a lot of teams neither named the Cavs nor the TWolves and none of them got him. Even now, the most expert mock drafts will be radically different from what the final draft board looks like.

so, final recap: your scouting = good(great even) job
your incredibly detailed 3 year predictions = a waste of time.
your cockiness = annoying

[Smartacus]

The gap between Ben and Brandon is slowly closing. Both are begining to look like franchise alterign talents. Talk about having KD and Bron in the same draft.

You also have to account for the fact that LSU is 8 - 5 as opposed to Duke being 12 - 2. At some point you have to start asking your self why the number 1 pick's team is playing mediocre basketball.

Ingram's game is definitely easier to see succeeding at the NBA level. I think Simmons will need to find the right team to be successful early on.

[Denis998]

The gap between Ben and Brandon is slowly closing. Both are begining to look like franchise alterign talents. Talk about having KD and Bron in the same draft.

You also have to account for the fact that LSU is 8 - 5 as opposed to Duke being 12 - 2. At some point you have to start asking your self why the number 1 pick's team is playing mediocre basketball.

Ingram's game is definitely easier to see succeeding at the NBA level. I think Simmons will need to find the right team to be successful early on.

I think there is little stock to put in winning games on the College level. I think its more of a platform to display individual talents and how those talents compare to that of others. Team success depends on mostly scouting and the amount of professional level players on a team. Ben would probably average a triple double if he was on kentucky with all those shooters.