We Need to Make Some Moves!

[flybono]

Portis would look good now wouldn't he? Not to mention Payne in OKC..

Keep on trading Danny, you ain't made a bad move yet!

[slamtheking]

[jpd985]

Portis would look good now wouldn't he? Not to mention Payne in OKC..

Keep on trading Danny, you ain't made a bad move yet!

With the log jam the Celtics have he would be in the D-League like Rozier. It would not have mattered right now.

[jmen788]

Sorry but I don't want any of those players. This is what people fail to see in these micro trades. C's are a slightly above average team because they are loaded with role players. They aren't going to get better by trading for more role players. They need border line All stars brought in or even better a top 20 player if they want to actually get better. Don't waste assets or potential cap space on journey-men.

Tyreke Evans is averaging 15/7/6 and 17/5/5 for his career. Not really sure if that's a role player.

Gallo gets 15-20 per game, another second tier star.

Kevin Martin, at this point, I agree is a role player. BUT much better than a lot of the ones we have. In the NBA if you can trade two dimes and a nickel for a quarter, you do it EVERY time. Even if it is upgrading role players.

Kevin Martin has been cashed for 2 years.  Hard pass on a 32 year old shooting 36% that got eaten up by RJ Hunter.  He's a minus player. 

Evans does some nice things but if he was the second or third fiddle on a championship team, considering they have Anthony Davis, I would expect them to be a lot better than an 8 seed last year.  Truth is he would be lucky to play 15 minutes a game if he was a Spur or Warrior.

Umm there is something called different systems fit different players better. Who knows what the system is that the Pelicans run. It is not a well run team. I could definitely see a player like Evans doing better in Boston than he has elsewhere (see Crowder, Jae and Thomas, Isiah).

Martin when healthy is good. Could probably get him for almost nothing. And with the rising cap and no sure thing FAs coming our way, there could be worse things than grabbing him while we wait for other options to hopefully materialize.

[Greyman]

No doubt this team still needs work. I imagine there are going to be questions about CBS and if he is up to the job after the last two games. Patience is still the key. We are about where we expected this team to be, we have had some horrible loses recently but we have also had some excellent results along the way. The lack of consistency is my biggest concern, though I know the players we want are just around the corner.

I agree that we have to move for big upgrades when it happens. No point wasting assets to improve slightly, especially when DA is capable of making those moves and actually getting more coming back this way.

Players of the quality we want don't pop up on the market all the time, it takes work to get them and for them to be available and willing. I am confident that DA has been doing all he can and his efforts will come to fruition soon.

[CelticSince83]

Sorry but I don't want any of those players. This is what people fail to see in these micro trades. C's are a slightly above average team because they are loaded with role players. They aren't going to get better by trading for more role players. They need border line All stars brought in or even better a top 20 player if they want to actually get better. Don't waste assets or potential cap space on journey-men.

Tyreke Evans is averaging 15/7/6 and 17/5/5 for his career. Not really sure if that's a role player.

Gallo gets 15-20 per game, another second tier star.

Kevin Martin, at this point, I agree is a role player. BUT much better than a lot of the ones we have. In the NBA if you can trade two dimes and a nickel for a quarter, you do it EVERY time. Even if it is upgrading role players.

Kevin Martin has been cashed for 2 years.  Hard pass on a 32 year old shooting 36% that got eaten up by RJ Hunter.  He's a minus player. 

Evans does some nice things but if he was the second or third fiddle on a championship team, considering they have Anthony Davis, I would expect them to be a lot better than an 8 seed last year.  Truth is he would be lucky to play 15 minutes a game if he was a Spur or Warrior.

Umm there is something called different systems fit different players better. Who knows what the system is that the Pelicans run. It is not a well run team. I could definitely see a player like Evans doing better in Boston than he has elsewhere (see Crowder, Jae and Thomas, Isiah).

Martin when healthy is good. Could probably get him for almost nothing. And with the rising cap and no sure thing FAs coming our way, there could be worse things than grabbing him while we wait for other options to hopefully materialize.

Please tell me what title team in the last 30 years Tyreke Evans would have easily been the third best player on.  That is what I disagreed with.  You are significantly overrating him.  The word star and Tyreke Evans don't belong in the same paragraph. 

Not going to debate Kevin Martin anymore.  His career defensive rating is 111 and that's not getting any better at age 33 next season.  His real plus minus is worse than ET's, so he's not much better than any role players we have now. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

I believe Portis would be playing for this team right now. He looks significantly better than all of our bigs.

[KG Living Legend]

 Yeah we should make two moves, pick up Curry and Davis. Get it done Danny..

[hwangjini_1]

oh goody! another "let's blow it all up" thread after a loss. 

Never mentioned anything about blowing the team up - mentioned adding another player possibly with some of the assets I mentioned.

Funny to see some bumkin post such a stupid response though 

i did not realize direct insults were now part of cb. what a decline in posting.

[chambers]

Gallinari is a great offensive player, but he's making $18-million...that's too much for an injury prone, non All Star wing.
Not a big enough of an upgrade over Crowder for me when you consider Crowder's defensive impact.

Tyreke has always been intriguing, but he's almost cooked and is declining, albeit slowly-and he is probably a 4th option on a championship team at best....he just takes too many shots away from the better players on his own team. Danny loved Tyreke coming out of college and he was a potential star 3-4 years ago.

K Martin is cooked. He comes off the bench for Minny and he's been terrible the last 2 years.

Both Tyreke and K Martin are on the decline and really wouldnt move the needle for us considering how inefficient they are and how bad they are at defense (particularly Martin).
Gallo would be nice but he's not a big enough of an upgrade over Crowder.  You could actually argue that if Crowder plays the entire season the way he's been playing,  that he's a better player than Gallo.

We do need to make moves, but we can't hamstring ourselves and send away assets just to get guys back that won't really help us win any more games.

I think we need top 25 players or guys who have realistic potential to become top 25 players in any moves we make that give away multiple first round picks.

I think we need to combine picks and move up to get specific guys that we like in the draft like we did with Olynyk. We also have so many picks that we should gamble on serious athletes in the 2nd round.

Unfortunately,  rebuilds take a loooooong time and this is only the beginning.

[Smitty77]

Sorry but I don't want any of those players. This is what people fail to see in these micro trades. C's are a slightly above average team because they are loaded with role players. They aren't going to get better by trading for more role players. They need border line All stars brought in or even better a top 20 player if they want to actually get better. Don't waste assets or potential cap space on journey-men.

Tyreke Evans is averaging 15/7/6 and 17/5/5 for his career. Not really sure if that's a role player.

Gallo gets 15-20 per game, another second tier star.

Kevin Martin, at this point, I agree is a role player. BUT much better than a lot of the ones we have. In the NBA if you can trade two dimes and a nickel for a quarter, you do it EVERY time. Even if it is upgrading role players.

Tyreke is DAMAGED goods!!  This is from 4 hours ago!!!  (It is currently 12:42am Sunday.)

 4 hours ago – via Twitter JohnReid64
John Reid: Tyreke Evans’ tendinitis problem is in his right knee, the same one that required surgery in October for the removal of bone chips.

Evans is also a 28.3% shooter from long range for his CAREER!!  Yes he is shooting higher this year in a whopping 15 total games (notice that he has missed 18 games due to injury ALREADY this year!!).

No thanks!!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

I disagree with all of that. AB(all around) and IT (offense) are better overall players than both those guys. They are not good 3rd options. Again Pass. But I absolutely agree we need upgrades just aim higher or not at all.

I would take either of those guys over AB. In my eyes, AB isn't even currently the second best player on our team behind IT - Crowder is.

And I think if the other options for aiming higher are unattainable or too costly, then we should take the next best thing.

Who do you have in mind for these targets that we should "aim higher or not at all" for?

AB has had a few injury issues, but nothing like a broken down Evans that is having issues AGAIN with his surgically repaired knee and who has missed 18 of N.O.'s 33 games THIS year!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Gallinari is a great offensive player, but he's making $18-million...that's too much for an injury prone, non All Star wing.
Not a big enough of an upgrade over Crowder for me when you consider Crowder's defensive impact.

Tyreke has always been intriguing, but he's almost cooked and is declining, albeit slowly-and he is probably a 4th option on a championship team at best....he just takes too many shots away from the better players on his own team. Danny loved Tyreke coming out of college and he was a potential star 3-4 years ago.

K Martin is cooked. He comes off the bench for Minny and he's been terrible the last 2 years.

Both Tyreke and K Martin are on the decline and really wouldnt move the needle for us considering how inefficient they are and how bad they are at defense (particularly Martin).
Gallo would be nice but he's not a big enough of an upgrade over Crowder.  You could actually argue that if Crowder plays the entire season the way he's been playing,  that he's a better player than Gallo.

We do need to make moves, but we can't hamstring ourselves and send away assets just to get guys back that won't really help us win any more games.

I think we need top 25 players or guys who have realistic potential to become top 25 players in any moves we make that give away multiple first round picks.

I think we need to combine picks and move up to get specific guys that we like in the draft like we did with Olynyk. We also have so many picks that we should gamble on serious athletes in the 2nd round.

Unfortunately,  rebuilds take a loooooong time and this is only the beginning.

Martin was NOT terrible last year.  He had a 16.7 PER.  I would give up a couple of second rounder (mid to late) plus matching salary to take a chance on him rebounding as an offensive spark off our BENCH!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/min/year/2015/minnesota-timberwolves

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Gallinari is a great offensive player, but he's making $18-million...that's too much for an injury prone, non All Star wing.
Not a big enough of an upgrade over Crowder for me when you consider Crowder's defensive impact.

Tyreke has always been intriguing, but he's almost cooked and is declining, albeit slowly-and he is probably a 4th option on a championship team at best....he just takes too many shots away from the better players on his own team. Danny loved Tyreke coming out of college and he was a potential star 3-4 years ago.

K Martin is cooked. He comes off the bench for Minny and he's been terrible the last 2 years.

Both Tyreke and K Martin are on the decline and really wouldnt move the needle for us considering how inefficient they are and how bad they are at defense (particularly Martin).
Gallo would be nice but he's not a big enough of an upgrade over Crowder.  You could actually argue that if Crowder plays the entire season the way he's been playing,  that he's a better player than Gallo.

We do need to make moves, but we can't hamstring ourselves and send away assets just to get guys back that won't really help us win any more games.

I think we need top 25 players or guys who have realistic potential to become top 25 players in any moves we make that give away multiple first round picks.

I think we need to combine picks and move up to get specific guys that we like in the draft like we did with Olynyk. We also have so many picks that we should gamble on serious athletes in the 2nd round.

Unfortunately,  rebuilds take a loooooong time and this is only the beginning.

In total agree with you on Gallo (overpaid) and Evans (broken down).

Smitty77

[Celtics4ever]

We can't play a whole team of guards and small forwards.    I think we need a competent C or PF in a trade.    Those guys are not easy to get but I feel that is what we need and one that can score some.