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Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2015, 10:00:28 PM »

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I think the point you bring up misses the whole strength of his game: he is a center.  Especially this year he is playing defense and not giving up anything there, then having his skill against the opposing centers.  Even without a scorers mentality he makes an impact.  Having that space and passing on the floor makes a difference (numbers bear this out for him).

I believe that was my point.



Oh I can see.  I just don't really see what you're saying ultimately when one guy plays C.  I mean I guess if you need to look at the box score and just see the stats and compare them in a vacuum (and he plays 6-7 mpg less than some of the guys you are comparing him to, a big deal when you play less than 20 mpg) but when you watch the game you can see how a C doing SF things on the floor changes the whole offense.  It's a team game and he has an impact.  It's why the team performs better on offense in general when he plays.

You saw it tonight.  He has a team impact.  A SF shooting threes doesn't have that same impact on offense, it's pretty routine.  Those players aren't dragging the opposing Center away from the rim where they can help defend and defensive rebound.  If you don't focus on the fact that he's a C you are missing the point with it.

I know you aren't as down on him as others and not all this is even aimed at you (more the people that even need to find peace so much watching him), but that's just the thing a lot of people still underrate with him on here and why his potential is still so high.  Even as a passer and ball handler he is miles better than most Centers and that has a big impact too.

If people need to define him, he may just be a "role player", but if this team gets All Star talent like say Cousins, Olynyk could be the guy that makes a player like that truly deadly vs even the best defenses.  He is a guy made to kill double teams and help defense.

But as I said previously, this is still a guy who could be a 20 ppg scorer.  He has the potential.
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Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2015, 12:06:36 AM »

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“He’s a really good complimentary player,” Ainge said Thursday night shortly after the selection. “He’s not a go-to guy, he’s not a star player, but he’s a really good teammate-type player – he compliments other guys.”
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/27/celtics-trade-with-mavs-draft-gonzaga-center-kelly-olynyk-13th-overall/

I've been at peace with Kelly ever since I saw this in 2013. I trust Danny's judgement, and it's looking like he was 100% right in his evaluation.

No, it shows how stupid Danny can be being too blunt sometimes. He essentially trashed KO as a draft pick--and now his organization has spent the last 2 1/2 years trying to convince Kelly to play like more of a star player.

Stars tend to have driven personalities that respond when challenged.

They need KO to shoot like a star. Look at how KO has improved his body and D in 2+ years and I think it's pretty clear he's driven to be good. But he still has some wrong ideas IMO on how he best helps the team.

He was a PG before the growth spurt IIRC.   The pass first PG mentality is still there.   24, so there's time.  Hopefully can improve. 

Needs some swag.  Could do with a coupe of celebrity girlfriends and a gold Lambo.

Ha--if he keeps starting, shooting, and hitting, he could get there!

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2015, 12:16:30 AM »

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I think the point you bring up misses the whole strength of his game: he is a center.  Especially this year he is playing defense and not giving up anything there, then having his skill against the opposing centers.  Even without a scorers mentality he makes an impact.  Having that space and passing on the floor makes a difference (numbers bear this out for him).

I believe that was my point.



Oh I can see.  I just don't really see what you're saying ultimately when one guy plays C.  I mean I guess if you need to look at the box score and just see the stats and compare them in a vacuum (and he plays 6-7 mpg less than some of the guys you are comparing him to, a big deal when you play less than 20 mpg) but when you watch the game you can see how a C doing SF things on the floor changes the whole offense.  It's a team game and he has an impact.  It's why the team performs better on offense in general when he plays.

You saw it tonight.  He has a team impact.  A SF shooting threes doesn't have that same impact on offense, it's pretty routine.  Those players aren't dragging the opposing Center away from the rim where they can help defend and defensive rebound.  If you don't focus on the fact that he's a C you are missing the point with it.

I know you aren't as down on him as others and not all this is even aimed at you (more the people that even need to find peace so much watching him), but that's just the thing a lot of people still underrate with him on here and why his potential is still so high.  Even as a passer and ball handler he is miles better than most Centers and that has a big impact too.

If people need to define him, he may just be a "role player", but if this team gets All Star talent like say Cousins, Olynyk could be the guy that makes a player like that truly deadly vs even the best defenses.  He is a guy made to kill double teams and help defense.

But as I said previously, this is still a guy who could be a 20 ppg scorer.  He has the potential.

Well said - I agree with all of the above.

Kelly is one of those guys - when you look a the box score you say "KO had a crap game".  When you watch that same game without looking at the box scores, you say "wow, KO had a massive impact today!". 

In fact so many times I have watched games this season where I've reacted exactly that way - I've watched the game and the whole time I'm thinking "man, Kelly has had a hand in almost every single good thing that this team has done tonight".  Then I look at the box score and he has 7 points and 3 rebounds and 2 assists.  But he's like +30.

He tend to do so many important things.

For example he will catch the ball at the the three point line, and the defender will run at him (because you need to respect his shot).  Then he'll throw a small ball fake just to freeze the defender for the briefest moment - but that's just enough time for KO to put the ball on the floor and blow by the defender.  Then he gets into the paint and 2-3 defenders collapse in on him to take away the easy layup, and he throws a perfect pass back out to Thomas who will throw the second pass to Jerebko (who's defender rotated over to Olynyk) for the wide open three. 

KO has pretty much just single handedly broken down the entire offense, yet he doesn't even get an assist for it, since the assist gets registered to Thomas.

Stuff like this happens ALL the time on the court with KO, and not just on offense either.  He is a game changer out there, on both ends of the floor.
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Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2015, 12:20:32 AM »

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And here I thought that this thread would be about a drinking game owing to each time that KO pump fakes :laugh:.

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2015, 08:48:11 PM »

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Wow did you see that put back? I didn't know he had that in him.  :) I think Kelly needs more minutes.

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2015, 09:39:01 PM »

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Wow did you see that put back? I didn't know he had that in him.  :) I think Kelly needs more minutes.
Yeah I think he should start going forward. When he starts the ball movement is noticeably better.
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Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2015, 09:44:00 PM »

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Wow did you see that put back? I didn't know he had that in him.  :) I think Kelly needs more minutes.
I think he needs more minutes and needs to be forced to be more aggressive.  Make him believe he's a super important player.  Don't let him slip into the background where he is usually comfortable.

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2015, 09:57:13 PM »

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Wow did you see that put back? I didn't know he had that in him.  :) I think Kelly needs more minutes.

Maybe he slept with a Kardashian last night.... ;)

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2015, 10:09:26 PM »

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And here I thought that this thread would be about a drinking game owing to each time that KO pump fakes :laugh:.

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Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2015, 10:37:14 PM »

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He has developed some good anticipation skills on D, especially with his hands...

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2015, 10:39:19 PM »

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i think he's averaging about 20 PPG as a starter this year haha

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2015, 12:32:05 AM »

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Watch below and watch the last dunk. That is how. Sick dunk. look at the coaching staff reaction
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Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2015, 12:41:10 AM »

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Zach Lowe tweeted tonight: "Kelly Olynyk is getting really good. Needs to toughen up on the boards, but getting better every game."
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Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2015, 02:01:23 PM »

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Zach Lowe tweeted tonight: "Kelly Olynyk is getting really good. Needs to toughen up on the boards, but getting better every game."

Does Zach Lowe knows as much about basketball as "Pho Sita?"

Re: How to Find Peace Watching Kelly Olynyk
« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2015, 12:09:38 PM »

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Stuff like this happens ALL the time on the court with KO, and not just on offense either.  He is a game changer out there, on both ends of the floor.

Agreed with your post, especially the hockey assist bit.  He gets a ton of those I think where a guard gets the assist for swining the ball after he drives.  I know some hate on his drives because they aren't graceful but he collapses defenses and creates shots for others pretty well with them.  He can go to the rim and we need that on this team. Olynyk and Crowder have both stepped up in that area this year for the team.  I think the putback dunk for Olynyk was part of him realizing more and more now that he can finish at the rim.



Zach Lowe tweeted tonight: "Kelly Olynyk is getting really good. Needs to toughen up on the boards, but getting better every game."

I saw this as well.  As I said previously, once he irons out his weaknesses you just don't see 7 foot players shoot, pass, or handle the ball like he does.  If he's no slouch on defense and can board, that's a very promising player that fits where the league is going and still has size too.
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