Poll: Who says 'No'? ~~ PHI / BOS Trade Proposal

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Fair trade for both sides.

I agree.   I'm not sold on Covington at all, but Smart + Sully seems to be what I'd expect Noel to go for.

Did you vote for #1 or #3?

I'm gonna go with #1.  76ers say no.  I think they can do better than that for Noel.  I'm not sure Sully is much of an add for them and they'd have to eat up money to keep him.   If I'm then, I aim higher than Marcus Smart if I'm searching for a point guard.  I like the suggestion that they'd go after someone like Eric Bledsoe since the Suns have two starting PG's and no competent center.

Don't see RMcD giving up either Knight or Bledsoe for Noel. I could be wrong, but let's assume I'm right. Who else? It's pretty lean list of obvious choices.

You may be right.  If I'm the Suns and I've made my decision on Bledsoe vs Knight... and Philly comes at me with an offer of Noel + 1 or 2 of their late 1sts this year (via OKC and Miami), I'd have to consider it.   But again, I'm basing this on my perhaps slanted view of Noel as someone who can be a perennial defensive player of the year candidate. 

I wonder what the overlap is from fans who believed Rondo was our "MVP" from 2009-12 and those who don't like Noel.   There wasn't any point during the KG era that I didn't see KG as our most valuable player.  Even as his offensive game waned, it was him who kept this team relevant thanks to his elite-level defense.  His on-court/off-court impact to our defense even in his later Boston years was unreal.   My thesis is that those who still credited KG as the backbone of the team as Rondo racked up the stats would be the same people who would trade for Nerlens Noel.

Well, I won't put Smart into the same breath as Rondo -- i don't think that's really fair to either, tho at the end of the day I admire Smart's unselfishness and hope he can grow.

That said, Noel's also just scratching the surface of his ability to contribute. Put another way, had he been drafted by the Cs, I suspect he'd be treated with a similar sense of optimism. Instead, there's too much focus on his existence with the Sixers.

[oldtype]

Everyone says no despite probably being a fair trade.

Philly likes Noel more than any other team likes Noel and we like Smart more than any other team likes Smart.

[tazzmaniac]

The Sixers say no.  Sully isn't the type of player they'd be interested in and to top it off he's going to be an RFA.  There's no way they'd pay him 4yr/50mil.  As for Smart, I'd say Covington is a better fit for the Sixers because they need his shooting and he's a good defender too.   Covington is also on a Hinkie special contract for two more years. 

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The Sixers say no.  Sully isn't the type of player they'd be interested in and to top it off he's going to be an RFA.  There's no way they'd pay him 4yr/50mil.  As for Smart, I'd say Covington is a better fit for the Sixers because they need his shooting and he's a good defender too.   Covington is also on a Hinkie special contract for two more years.

Sully's in many ways a better fit for them than Noel at PF. And that contract would be very solid by current standards -- especially for a team below the salary floor anyway. Not that I'm dying to commit money to Sully, myself.

Probably the biggest risk is that Sully hates it there, and plays for the QO in 2016-17 to become a UFA.

[SHAQATTACK]

Everyone says no despite probably being a fair trade.

Philly likes Noel more than any other team likes Noel and we like Smart more than any other team likes Smart.

Problem maybe ....none of Phillies draft picks may like the miserable dung heap of a team they have been forced to play on . 

They may run away .

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By the way, I assume yibada will steal this idea and make it into a rumor. I therefore beg someone doesn't start a new thread with said rumor at that time. Thanks for your consideration.

[tazzmaniac]

The Sixers say no.  Sully isn't the type of player they'd be interested in and to top it off he's going to be an RFA.  There's no way they'd pay him 4yr/50mil.  As for Smart, I'd say Covington is a better fit for the Sixers because they need his shooting and he's a good defender too.   Covington is also on a Hinkie special contract for two more years.

Sully's in many ways a better fit for them than Noel at PF. And that contract would be very solid by current standards -- especially for a team below the salary floor anyway. Not that I'm dying to commit money to Sully, myself.

Probably the biggest risk is that Sully hates it there, and plays for the QO in 2016-17 to become a UFA.

Sully isn't a better fit.  The Sixers desire to be a fast paced defensive team is already being hindered by Okafor.  A Sully/Okafor pairing would be horrible.  Olynyk would make more sense for them but I don't think they'd want him either.  If they trade Noel, it would be for guard help.  I love how people think other teams are going to want Sully for 4yr/50mil but don't want the Celtics to spend that to retain him. 

[Future Celtics Owner]

I'd rather Myles Turner than Noel, honestly.

Turner has the work to eventually normalize his gait and his muscle imbalance in his glutes. BUT, besides Karl Towns and Kristaps, Turner is able to stretch the floor and block shots. He hits his free throws at an 80% plus clip and has a great turn-around jumper. He would fit into this teams system and get better every year.

[NHHillbilly]

Philly is not respecting Noel's talent or developing him properly.  Let him become a free agent and then try to get him on the Celtics for nothing.  While most guys seem to like glitzy LA or warm weather cities, Noel doesn't seem to hate the city of Boston and likes the team.  The strategy of stocking up on guys at the same position has the natural cost that you can't keep them all.  Don't bail out Philly by trading for one of their extras.

[slamtheking]

Sully's value is up, Noel's is down. 

Exactly.

Covington wouldn't get off the bench for a good team.

Wrong.

Smart, while his offense isn't where I think it should be, is a game changer on defense while doing lots of the small things it takes to win.

Noel averaged 10, 8, 2, 2, and 2 last year. Highest combo of steals and blocks of any rookie since David Robinson. He doesn't?

If Noel had more offensive skills, I'd think it'd be fairly even exchange.

Double standard from the previous statement about Smart. Meanwhile, Noel could easily average 10-12 a game in pick-n-roll, offensive boards and putback on the Cs, not to mention the elbow face-up game he's worked on -- but can't show -- because defenses just hang out in the paint versus the Sixers.

If Noel wasn't a washout at PF...

There's exactly 1.5 reasons why Noel is playing PF in the NBA: Jalil Okefor, with a side of Joel Embiid. He'd play C on the Cs...

I wasn't comparing Smart and Noel -- not sure why you made that assumption.  For the sake of argument, we'll go that route.

For me, Smart and Noel are both primarily defense-oriented players.  Neither excels on offense though I'd give Smart a slight edge because he does shoot for distance (even if it's not at a % I'd like).  Neither is more than adequate (generously speaking) at the basic functions of their positions (Noel - rebounding / Smart - running the offense).  It's not a stretch to consider their impacts to their respective teams a wash for this trade. 

With that said, the trade is down to Sully for Covington.  Sully is a far better player than Covington.  not even close.  While we may disagree on Covington's impact on a good team (a team that would be better than the C's currently are), there's no realistic way to say Covington is as good as Sully has been this season.

for me, I wouldn't do this deal.  I can't say I'd want any other player from them at this point

[Khelsier]

Pretty interesting and fair idea. Still I think both would say no. My guess is Boston values both Smart and Sully very highly. Philly on the other end would not want to give away one of their main assets if they don´t get a kings ransom for him. Plus that trade would make them win more games this year and they don´t want that.

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I wasn't comparing Smart and Noel -- not sure why you made that assumption. 

Because they're the principles in the trade idea.

[Endless Paradise]

Sully and Okafor sounds like an absolute disaster pairing, so I'd expect the Sixers to say no off that alone.

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Sully and Okafor sounds like an absolute disaster pairing, so I'd expect the Sixers to say no off that alone.

It depends on how commited they are to Okafor (and subsequently the half court game). If they're not, they're obviously not doing this deal anyway. But if they are, I disagree. Sully compliments Him well, considering he'd rather chuck than play in the post.

Regardless, he's a pretty good asset to go along with Smart.

[Endless Paradise]

Sully and Okafor sounds like an absolute disaster pairing, so I'd expect the Sixers to say no off that alone.

It depends on how commited they are to Okafor (and subsequently the half court game). If they're not, they're obviously not doing this deal anyway. But if they are, I disagree. Sully compliments Him well, considering he'd rather chuck than play in the post.

My concern is more with the fact that they'd be an absolute disaster on defense. Smart might be good as far as being able an NBA level point guard (though it still honestly remains to be seen if he can actually run an offense, since he has yet to be entrusted to do so), but you can't build a functional defense with two terrible interior defenders. Just look at the Thunder last year - they had a great defender in Ibaka, a godawful one in Kanter, and they had a terrible interior defense. Similarly, this year, when Kanter plays, although he's improved from last year, he's still terrible.

Imagine a frontcourt of two Kanters.