Trade Idea: Sully for Nerlens Noel

[Who]

Sully doesn't have that type of trade value.

It would need to be Smart. Or one of the Brooklyn picks.

How much value do you think Noel has right now?  He shows elite defensive potential but can't even put up points on a horrible Philly roster and now barely functions alongside Okafor.

If you are talking about what Philly would demand, that makes sense but I'd be surprised to see anyone offer something a whole lot better than Sully right now.

Mike

Same trade value as Noel had 6 months ago. Nothing has changed. He is the same player now as he was then.

I would rate his trade value as:

In terms of draft picks, a lotto pick in the 3-7 range depending how deep the top of the lottery is or isn't. In a two man draft, Noel could fetch a 3rd or 4th pick. In a deeper draft (like 2016 appears to be), Noel would fetch 6th or 7th.

In terms of young players, someone that shows talent to be a top 10 player at their position. Not a high-likelihood All-Star talent. More a borderline All-Star talent.

In terms of established players, an All-Star (28-31 years old = Millsap) or a near All-Star player (25-28 years old = someone like Bledsoe) depending on age of player.

[danglertx]

I don't now, nor have I ever, understood this fascination with Nerlens Noel on these forums.  If he were on this team he'd be getting trashed for his lack of an offensive game and how he clogs the paint. 

[Eddie20]

If you look at them both as 10pts/10rebs guys then the trade makes sense because we have extra PFs and no real center.  I have not seen enough Sixers games to understand Noel's limitations but my sense is he has more value than Sullinger.  We have enough draft picks that I would be willing to add one to make the deal happen, just not a Brooklyn pick.

Awful hands. No range whatsoever. No post moves. Bad footwork. Lacks touch. Poor FT shooter. Turnover prone. Gives up position easily due to his thin frame. Doesn't rebound well in traffic.

He's the kind of guy that looked really promising when he was at Kentucky because you're anticipating development on the offensive end. However, he hasn't added anything to his game and the more time passes the more it seems likely that what you see is what you're going to get. He's a very athletic player that's not just not a good basketball player. His actual skill level is very low.

I'll present a question...forgetting draft position, hype, and the name on the jersey is Noel any better than Ezeli, Dieng, or Mahinmi?

PER 36       PPG    RPG   BPG   FG%

Ezeli             15.6   11.9  2.6    56.0
Dieng           13.3    9.5   1.6    52.0
Mahimni       12.0   10.5   1.9    56.6

VS

Noel             12.2    9.4    1.1   43.2

[Birdman]

I don't now, nor have I ever, understood this fascination with Nerlens Noel on these forums.  If he were on this team he'd be getting trashed for his lack of an offensive game and how he clogs the paint.

Exactly...im a UK fan and follow him but he has no offensive game and injuries will always be a concern

[danglertx]

If you look at them both as 10pts/10rebs guys then the trade makes sense because we have extra PFs and no real center.  I have not seen enough Sixers games to understand Noel's limitations but my sense is he has more value than Sullinger.  We have enough draft picks that I would be willing to add one to make the deal happen, just not a Brooklyn pick.

Awful hands. No range whatsoever. No post moves. Bad footwork. Lacks touch. Poor FT shooter. Turnover prone. Gives up position easily due to his thin frame. Doesn't rebound well in traffic.

He's the kind of guy that looked really promising when he was at Kentucky because you're anticipating development on the offensive end. However, he hasn't added anything to his game and the more time passes the more it seems likely that what you see is what you're going to get. He's a very athletic player that's not just not a good basketball player. His actual skill level is very low.

I'll present a question...forgetting draft position, hype, and the name on the jersey is Noel any better than Ezeli, Dieng, or Mahinmi?

PER 36       PPG    RPG   BPG   FG%

Ezeli             15.6   11.9  2.6    56.0
Dieng           13.3    9.5   1.6    52.0
Mahimni       12.0   10.5   1.9    56.6

VS

Noel             12.2    9.4    1.1   43.2

TP Eddie.  I don't get what people see in him that they are willing to give up a skill guy like Sully and a draft pick. 

[Who]

On the opposite side of things, how much trade value do people think Sullinger has right now?

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Myself, I think Sully's trade value is pretty little. Expiring contract. Due a massive payday. Still has not shown himself capable of defending the PF position on a regular basis. Undersized and poor defender at center. A skilled offensive player but inefficient largely due to bad shot-selection. Strong rebounder and passer. Serious concerns about his weight long term and whether he will keep off the extra pounds once he gets his payday.

Despite his good play .... I think Sully is only worth a mid first round pick in the 15-20 range.

I think Sully would get a low ceiling role player types. A 3+D type wing.

Best shot might be to go after an underperforming young player like McLemore. Best option to get someone with good upside for Sully. Roll the dice on someone like that.

[LarBrd33]

I don't now, nor have I ever, understood this fascination with Nerlens Noel on these forums.  If he were on this team he'd be getting trashed for his lack of an offensive game and how he clogs the paint.

Exactly...im a UK fan and follow him but he has no offensive game and injuries will always be a concern

do you guys understand the fascination with Marcus smart ?

[tazzmaniac]

On the opposite side of things, how much trade value do people think Sullinger has right now?

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Myself, I think Sully's trade value is pretty little. Expiring contract. Due a massive payday. Still has not shown himself capable of defending the PF position on a regular basis. Undersized and poor defender at center. A skilled offensive player but inefficient largely due to bad shot-selection. Strong rebounder and passer. Serious concerns about his weight long term and whether he will keep off the extra pounds once he gets his payday.

Despite his good play .... I think Sully is only worth a mid first round pick in the 15-20 range.

I think Sully would get a low ceiling role player types. A 3+D type wing.

Best shot might be to go after an underperforming young player like McLemore. Best option to get someone with good upside for Sully. Roll the dice on someone like that.

If Ainge can get a mid 1st for Sully, he needs to make that trade happen. 

[Ilikesports17]

If you look at them both as 10pts/10rebs guys then the trade makes sense because we have extra PFs and no real center.  I have not seen enough Sixers games to understand Noel's limitations but my sense is he has more value than Sullinger.  We have enough draft picks that I would be willing to add one to make the deal happen, just not a Brooklyn pick.

Awful hands. No range whatsoever. No post moves. Bad footwork. Lacks touch. Poor FT shooter. Turnover prone. Gives up position easily due to his thin frame. Doesn't rebound well in traffic.

He's the kind of guy that looked really promising when he was at Kentucky because you're anticipating development on the offensive end. However, he hasn't added anything to his game and the more time passes the more it seems likely that what you see is what you're going to get. He's a very athletic player that's not just not a good basketball player. His actual skill level is very low.

I'll present a question...forgetting draft position, hype, and the name on the jersey is Noel any better than Ezeli, Dieng, or Mahinmi?

PER 36       PPG    RPG   BPG   FG%

Ezeli             15.6   11.9  2.6    56.0
Dieng           13.3    9.5   1.6    52.0
Mahimni       12.0   10.5   1.9    56.6

VS

Noel             12.2    9.4    1.1   43.2

You always have to be wary about per 36 numbers. You also have to be cautious about tanker numbers.

[MBunge]

Sully doesn't have that type of trade value.

It would need to be Smart. Or one of the Brooklyn picks.

How much value do you think Noel has right now?  He shows elite defensive potential but can't even put up points on a horrible Philly roster and now barely functions alongside Okafor.

If you are talking about what Philly would demand, that makes sense but I'd be surprised to see anyone offer something a whole lot better than Sully right now.

Mike

Same trade value as Noel had 6 months ago. Nothing has changed. He is the same player now as he was then.

I would rate his trade value as:

In terms of draft picks, a lotto pick in the 3-7 range depending how deep the top of the lottery is or isn't. In a two man draft, Noel could fetch a 3rd or 4th pick. In a deeper draft (like 2016 appears to be), Noel would fetch 6th or 7th.

In terms of young players, someone that shows talent to be a top 10 player at their position. Not a high-likelihood All-Star talent. More a borderline All-Star talent.

In terms of established players, an All-Star (28-31 years old = Millsap) or a near All-Star player (25-28 years old = someone like Bledsoe) depending on age of player.

I frankly can't imagine anyone in the league offering anything even close to that for Noel.  Not the picks.  Not the young player and not the established player, unless it was also a huge salary dump.

Mike

[CelticSince83]

Ditto Sully.  Guy has peaked at age 23 or 24.  50/50 chance he eats himself out of the league by 2019.

[pearljammer10]

I think the offer to even get a starting conversation would be Sully and a first. I'm not so sure Philly even finds that appealing.

[MBunge]

On the opposite side of things, how much trade value do people think Sullinger has right now?

Limited by conditioning concerns and uncertainty over how much he will want to resign.  Talent-wise?  Versatile scorer and good rebounder who has proven he can play significant minutes on a good to very good defensive team.  Could bring back a very good player but only in the right situation, like a team with a surplus of scoring wings but not enough productive bigs.

Mike

[danglertx]

I don't now, nor have I ever, understood this fascination with Nerlens Noel on these forums.  If he were on this team he'd be getting trashed for his lack of an offensive game and how he clogs the paint.

Exactly...im a UK fan and follow him but he has no offensive game and injuries will always be a concern

do you guys understand the fascination with Marcus smart ?

Smart looks like a much more dominant defensive player at his position than Noel.  He also looks to have a decent offensive game.  However, if he hasn't improved in two years, then no, I won't see the fascination.  He might still be decent player but I wouldn't understand multiple trade threads for him every other week.

[jpotter33]

LarBrd33, do you think a Sully and Rozier/Young swap for Noel would get it done? I don't think they need or really want anymore picks, but this would give them a good guard prospect to work with.

I wonder how they view Simmons, as a 4 or 3. If they see him as a 4, I doubt they look to trade Noel for a 4 until they know draft order.