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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2015, 08:06:41 PM »

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I haven't read this thread yet, but to hear that David Lee is complaining about minutes makes my blood boil. He has played some of the worst basketball I've ever seen from someone not named Fab Melo or James Young.

How many times can someone turn the ball over on drives to the hoop or get blocked so often?

I was done with this guy already and figured have him take a seat at the end of the bench and mentor younger players. I am new to this topic, but my initial impression is that this sounds not very different from what Bogans said.

I didn't mind Gerald Wallace complaining. He wanted wins, not personal glory.

I didn't mind Crowder either last week because he wasn't saying play me, me, me, but rather it'd be nice to have more set roles, etc..

This is a good opportunity for Danny and Brad to trim the rotation. If David Lee wants to keep making trouble for such a bad player on the downslide, then kick him off the team. Send him home like was done to Bogans.
you really need to read the thread before posting. your points lag behind earlier conversations and would be improved by that reading.

if nothing else, it would be polite/respectful to everyone else who has invested time and thought into this thread.
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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2015, 08:22:08 PM »

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Can 't add anything different from the rest of the posts .....

other than now  "

"I'll be watching for improved play from him to back up his request"

Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2015, 08:22:10 PM »

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If he wants to play more then he should play better. You earn minutes on this team.
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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2015, 08:27:52 PM »

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This thread insane. Lee is saying exactly what any player should say: he's not complaining; he's just telling his coach he wants to be a part of the rotation and is inquiring how to do it.

why does he have to inquire? How long has he been in the league?

The truth is, his contract is going to up and he wants his next payday.  In addition he feels he has done x , y , z to be given automatic mins over younger guys like KO, Sullinger.  When in reality, overall he has been outplayed by KO, Sullinger on both ends


CBS does not need Lee or anyone else to tell him how to run the team/rotation.
Your job must rough if you can't discuss your career with your manager.

Lee didn't tell anyone how to run the team. He is trying to figure out what he needs to do to get more minutes. He may never succeed in that goal, but there is nothing wrong with trying.

On the other hand, I've never been a fan of Lee's game.

the answer is , play better.

Lee: Coach what do I need to do to get more min
CBS:  Do I seriously have to tell you?

CBS known as a nice guy probably thought that in his head.  Because that is the ONLY answer. Not grow a beard. Or run 50 more laps.  Or start following the Redsox.   Play better on both ends.  Make your shots. Learn to make a jump shot. Learn to make a three pt shot.   Kill yourself under the basket for the rebound if you have to

He is not getting nasty enough under the basket to grab rebounds.  I don't even know how he was such a good rebounder earlier in his days.   Unless he mainly relied on his "youth"

And unfortunately if "youth" is not on your side, just go with the flow.   Do what you can, with the mins you are given.   

Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2015, 08:29:37 PM »

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Boy, this thread is the dictionary definition of "confirmation bias."
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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2015, 08:30:42 PM »

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The bottom line is, he is not playing desperate enough.  Kind of "cute" if you ask me

you know who plays desperate basketball?  Draymon Green.   

Marcus Smart.  Jae Crowder.  And a guy like Crowder has less skills overall than Lee, but  gets the min

Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2015, 08:35:24 PM »

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Boy, this thread is the dictionary definition of "confirmation bias."

The Mickey thread seems to be a close rival. Between the two I think we've got it covered.
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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2015, 08:42:13 PM »

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to be fair---Lee did man up on Cousins the other night.
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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2015, 08:45:01 PM »

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He's being mediocre since he got here and he's complaining about minutes?
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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2015, 08:57:47 PM »

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I wonder if Lee, Jerebko, Turner and a couple 2nd rounders could get us in a conversation with the Nets for Joe Johnson. I think he is the perfect, go-to one year rental option for the playoffs move, that also compresses the roster.

WHAT?  ??? Have you seen Joe Johnson play this year?

The guy couldn't crack the top 10 on the Celtics and that's straight up dead serious. This is a guy who doesn't play defense and whose eFG is .400. He's a liability on both ends of the court and by every quantifiable measurement Evan Turner is outplaying Johnson. In what universe would anyone in their right mind give up younger, better and more contract-friendly players for a 34 year old, washed up JJ?

we are 20 games into the season. I would also argue that the roster compression alone makes this deal appealing.

Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2015, 09:28:47 PM »

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He came into camp out of shape, if it was that important to him he should have put in more effort back than.

He did? I must've missed that.

Lee is much slimmer than he was last year when coming off his injuries. He definitely didn't come into camp out of shape.

According to Ainge, Lee came into camp out of shape, but has done a good job whipping himself into shape.

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Amir Johnson and David Lee were Boston's big offseason additions. What have you thought of their play so far?

Ainge: Well, I think that Amir and David have been good additions. David has helped us win a couple of big games. I think he wants to play more. I don’t think he showed up to training camp in great shape, but he’s worked really hard since he’s been here and getting himself into shape. Amir, I think, is still trying to find his way with our team. But he’s the ultimate team guy. He really cares about his teammates, he cares about winning, he cares about doing the right thing. So I think Amir has been excellent, but as the season goes on, I think he’ll get more and more comfortable with our group and with the coaching staff and he’ll be a little bit more assertive.

As far as minutes go for our bigs, they're all stretched too thin in terms of minutes.  All of our bigs have had issues with consistency.  Sully was doing great, but has had a rough stretch of recent. 

Lee probably does deserve more minutes.  I have no issue with what he's saying.  He's had some very strong play off the bench.  But then again, all of our other bigs deserve minutes as well.

If Ainge can get an asset of value, he should move one of them - any of them - to clear the log jam.  I think consistency is an issue because none of the bigs have consistent minutes over the course of the game, including the starters.  Same with Jerebko too, who has looked terrible offensively.  That or Stevens needs to cut somebody completely out of the rotation except for circumstances in which he thinks that player would help the C's win a game.

Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2015, 10:00:18 PM »

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 KG-LL is complaining about David Lee's Complaining. Shut up and play better, and guess what you'll play more minutes if you can get buckets.

Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2015, 10:01:44 PM »

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This thread insane. Lee is saying exactly what any player should say: he's not complaining; he's just telling his coach he wants to be a part of the rotation and is inquiring how to do it.

why does he have to inquire? How long has he been in the league?

The truth is, his contract is going to up and he wants his next payday.  In addition he feels he has done x , y , z to be given automatic mins over younger guys like KO, Sullinger.  When in reality, overall he has been outplayed by KO, Sullinger on both ends


CBS does not need Lee or anyone else to tell him how to run the team/rotation.
Your job must rough if you can't discuss your career with your manager.

Lee didn't tell anyone how to run the team. He is trying to figure out what he needs to do to get more minutes. He may never succeed in that goal, but there is nothing wrong with trying.

On the other hand, I've never been a fan of Lee's game.

the answer is , play better.

Lee: Coach what do I need to do to get more min
CBS:  Do I seriously have to tell you?

CBS known as a nice guy probably thought that in his head.  Because that is the ONLY answer. Not grow a beard. Or run 50 more laps.  Or start following the Redsox.   Play better on both ends.  Make your shots. Learn to make a jump shot. Learn to make a three pt shot.   Kill yourself under the basket for the rebound if you have to

He is not getting nasty enough under the basket to grab rebounds.  I don't even know how he was such a good rebounder earlier in his days.   Unless he mainly relied on his "youth"

And unfortunately if "youth" is not on your side, just go with the flow.   Do what you can, with the mins you are given.

Once again, you've missed the part that in his limited minutes, Lee is playing within his career averages if you adjust it PER 36.

You said make his shots, he's making 51% of them, taking 5 shots per game. What, do you want him to average more than 6 points? Well, he needs more shots, but he can't do that if he's not playing.

You said he needs to be nasty with rebounds. Again, he's rebounding rate is very close to his career numbers. How much rebounds do you want him to average in 15 minutes per game? Even last year when he's rarely playing with the Dubs, his rebounding is within his career averages.

If you want the old double-double David Lee, you need to give him playing time, because he has proven his entire career that he can do that if he's provided to sniff the court 30 minutes per game, and his adjusted numbers suggests that he can do it with ample court time.

And there's nothing wrong with asking your coach as to what to do to earn more minutes. David Lee has been producing within his career averages, so clearly that's not the problem. Surely there are flaws in his game which is why he's not playing more. But that's why he's asking the coach, to figure it out.

I'll use this analogy for you. If you're a cook, and the chef only wants you to cook beans, even though you can cook more than that, you don't just silently cook the beans better and expect a promotion, you do that, and ask your chef what else can you do to be able to cook other dishes. That's what David Lee is doing. He's not being a brat, or complaining. He's figuring out how he can stay on the floor longer, to be able to help the team.

I fell like you just want Lee out of the lineup so your boy Jordan Mickey gets the spot. I really do. I think that's the only reason you're hating on him so much.
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Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2015, 10:03:31 PM »

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I dont know how this can be seen as complaining. I see this as "I want to play more but I am playing like crap, I need to figure out how to play better and get more playing time. I met coach about that"

Re: David Lee complaining about minutes
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2015, 10:15:26 PM »

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This thread insane. Lee is saying exactly what any player should say: he's not complaining; he's just telling his coach he wants to be a part of the rotation and is inquiring how to do it.

why does he have to inquire? How long has he been in the league?

The truth is, his contract is going to up and he wants his next payday.  In addition he feels he has done x , y , z to be given automatic mins over younger guys like KO, Sullinger.  When in reality, overall he has been outplayed by KO, Sullinger on both ends


CBS does not need Lee or anyone else to tell him how to run the team/rotation.
Your job must rough if you can't discuss your career with your manager.

Lee didn't tell anyone how to run the team. He is trying to figure out what he needs to do to get more minutes. He may never succeed in that goal, but there is nothing wrong with trying.

On the other hand, I've never been a fan of Lee's game.

the answer is , play better.

Lee: Coach what do I need to do to get more min
CBS:  Do I seriously have to tell you?

CBS known as a nice guy probably thought that in his head.  Because that is the ONLY answer. Not grow a beard. Or run 50 more laps.  Or start following the Redsox.   Play better on both ends.  Make your shots. Learn to make a jump shot. Learn to make a three pt shot.   Kill yourself under the basket for the rebound if you have to

He is not getting nasty enough under the basket to grab rebounds.  I don't even know how he was such a good rebounder earlier in his days.   Unless he mainly relied on his "youth"

And unfortunately if "youth" is not on your side, just go with the flow.   Do what you can, with the mins you are given.

Once again, you've missed the part that in his limited minutes, Lee is playing within his career averages if you adjust it PER 36.

You said make his shots, he's making 51% of them, taking 5 shots per game. What, do you want him to average more than 6 points? Well, he needs more shots, but he can't do that if he's not playing.

You said he needs to be nasty with rebounds. Again, he's rebounding rate is very close to his career numbers. How much rebounds do you want him to average in 15 minutes per game? Even last year when he's rarely playing with the Dubs, his rebounding is within his career averages.

If you want the old double-double David Lee, you need to give him playing time, because he has proven his entire career that he can do that if he's provided to sniff the court 30 minutes per game, and his adjusted numbers suggests that he can do it with ample court time.

And there's nothing wrong with asking your coach as to what to do to earn more minutes. David Lee has been producing within his career averages, so clearly that's not the problem. Surely there are flaws in his game which is why he's not playing more. But that's why he's asking the coach, to figure it out.

I'll use this analogy for you. If you're a cook, and the chef only wants you to cook beans, even though you can cook more than that, you don't just silently cook the beans better and expect a promotion, you do that, and ask your chef what else can you do to be able to cook other dishes. That's what David Lee is doing. He's not being a brat, or complaining. He's figuring out how he can stay on the floor longer, to be able to help the team.

I fell like you just want Lee out of the lineup so your boy Jordan Mickey gets the spot. I really do. I think that's the only reason you're hating on him so much.

It didn't sound like he asked in that way.  HE said it from his mouth, he expects 20-25 mins a game.    That is like a standard of mins he expects. 

Instead he could of said, I been talking to coach, so we can figure out a way to help my game grow. Not worried about the minutes. As long as I play better, they will come. The team comes 1st

NOT I expect 20-25 mins.  No knock on the other big guys yadi yada me me me talk.  Because it is a knock on the other guys no matter which way you spin it. I mean Zeller has played like 5 mins on avg and I haven't heard him complain once. KO , Sullinger, these guys haven't complained a second when Lee started in the beginning of the year.

Leee might give you the stats per 36 min, but also is a negative is many areas of the  "non stats" departments.   And basically he is a very poor fit under CBS system.  Like he was a poor fit under GSW system. He can't spread the floor nor is not a versatile defender

And Mickey on the other hand can do both of these things.  Yes i want to see this skilled young gun get his chance. Because he will "fit" and add shot blocking/front explosiveness elements this team can use