Twolves Have Exactly What We Need

[Future Celtics Owner]

I like what ainge has done... Cousins Davis towns noel okafor Wiggins are all premier talents...  But they will grow up in a losing environment.. With the nets picks cbs will insert our premium talents the next years in a winning environment.. And the mentality is something very special in sports

I disagree that we should be fighting for the 8th seed just so we can use the nets picks and put our drafted player in a "winning" environment .

Much rather have another top pick. Look at last year, we made the playoffs over 3 teams that had injuries and finished less than 500 but we got to be in the playoffs.....swept. I would have rather nabbed winslow at 10 or tanked and gotten Kristaps or something.

[Endless Paradise]

I like what ainge has done... Cousins Davis towns noel okafor Wiggins are all premier talents...  But they will grow up in a losing environment.. With the nets picks cbs will insert our premium talents the next years in a winning environment.. And the mentality is something very special in sports

This "losing environment" shtick is ludicrously overblown.

Tell me how many games LeBron, KD, Westbrook, Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, and Chris Bosh won in their first few seasons, respectively. Now try to convince me that early losing has had ANY negative impact on their trajectories.

[Sketch5]

I like what ainge has done... Cousins Davis towns noel okafor Wiggins are all premier talents...  But they will grow up in a losing environment.. With the nets picks cbs will insert our premium talents the next years in a winning environment.. And the mentality is something very special in sports

I disagree that we should be fighting for the 8th seed just so we can use the nets picks and put our drafted player in a "winning" environment .

Much rather have another top pick. Look at last year, we made the playoffs over 3 teams that had injuries and finished less than 500 but we got to be in the playoffs.....swept. I would have rather nabbed winslow at 10 or tanked and gotten Kristaps or something.

I don't get why people are so hung up on Winslow and missing out on him . He hasn't done anything yet to make me think he's going to be a legit star. Yes that could change, but he hasn't looked very good yet, even in summer league he was just okay.

If DA had thrown all that had been rumored at him and got him I bet most fans would be ripping DA a new one for that with how Winslow has produce so far.

Now as for the winning culture. DA didn't know teams would have been that bad, and couldn't have predicted that Stevens learning curve would have been so fast. The only thing DA did wrong was bring IT in last season. He gave the C's a boost with his scoring, but again he can't control how bad other teams would be, or how well Stevens can get players to play better than they had been.

But that right their will be worth more than missing out on Winslow in last season draft. POP's have given huge praise to Stevens, and thats getting around. I'm not worried right now  about the C's getting the next guy. This is year three in a rebuild, we are in the hunt for the playoffs. Players, coach's, media are taking notice of our coach, and we could have a lottery pick with the NEts for the next 3 years.

I get people want something right now. But as an artist I can tell you that rushing and cutting corners to get to the final image usually ends up in a poor product. You look at Philly and they are a mess, their potential Franchise player/leader in in trouble. But Minni, who yes got lucky with their young guys, also brought in some vets to show them how to play. ANd it's paying off already.

[Smitty77]

Here's a more realistic option: The Magic. They are thriving right now and they're not playing their lottery picks from the past 2 years. Aaron Gordon and Mario Hezonja. I think those guys would fit beautifully with the Celtics. I could see something getting done. Just putting that out there.

I think they are utilizing Gordon, but they sure are not playing Mario.  That is a brilliant catch on your part!!!  What do you think it would take to get him??  He was the 5th pick last year.

Smitty77

They're using Gordon as a role player though and the way the team is set up, he could be expendable. They have him, Harris, Fournier, Nicholson, Frye. All guys who can play the forward. But who knows.

Unfortunately I can't see the Celtics and the Magic striking up a deal for Hezonja because the 1. The Celtics don't have much that the Magic would want and 2. I think the Celtics would be reluctant to give up their most valuable assets. The Magic don't want picks or young talent because they have plenty of that on their roster. The Magic would want proven talent that would help the team for Hezonja. The Celtics only have IT, Bradley, Sully, and Crowder as far as proven above average talent in that department, and come on, the Magic would not want any of those guys. They have plenty of good guards and forwards on their roster.

One of the few teams that could give said upgrade is the Kings. I could see a Vucevic-Hezonja-Nicholson-2017 Lakers pick for Demarcus Cousins.


The only way I see Hezonja coming to the Celtics is through a multi-team deal.

For instance, in last night's game at the Clippers, Gordon played MORE minutes than their starting SF Fournier and had 10 points and 7 rebounds.

I think that the Magic could use another back up center such as Zeller.  I think that Zeller and our first rounder should be enough to get Hezonja.

Smitty77

[guava_wrench]

I like what ainge has done... Cousins Davis towns noel okafor Wiggins are all premier talents...  But they will grow up in a losing environment.. With the nets picks cbs will insert our premium talents the next years in a winning environment.. And the mentality is something very special in sports

Rondo grew up in a losing environment. The TWolves in Towns' rookie season are better than the Celtics were in Rondo's rookie season.

Just because a team loses a lot doesn't mean it has a bad culture. Philly has a bad team culture. Minny does not.

[hwangjini_1]

Uh... no?

They don't have what we need?

Pretty sure he means they won't give us either Towns or Wiggins.

TWolves have a great young team.  C's need to hit big on a draft pick.

Thats exactly what I meant. Thank you.

There is absolutely no reason for the T-Wolves to just give away one of their two best players who both have potential to be superstars.

Oh, I know we won't be able to get either of them. Just sucks that they are such perfect fits for our team and one team has both of them.

i surrender. what, may i ask, was the point of this thread? 

[guava_wrench]

Uh... no?

They don't have what we need?

Pretty sure he means they won't give us either Towns or Wiggins.

TWolves have a great young team.  C's need to hit big on a draft pick.

Thats exactly what I meant. Thank you.

There is absolutely no reason for the T-Wolves to just give away one of their two best players who both have potential to be superstars.

Oh, I know we won't be able to get either of them. Just sucks that they are such perfect fits for our team and one team has both of them.

i surrender. what, may i ask, was the point of this thread? 

Wishful thinking and envy.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I like what ainge has done... Cousins Davis towns noel okafor Wiggins are all premier talents...  But they will grow up in a losing environment.. With the nets picks cbs will insert our premium talents the next years in a winning environment.. And the mentality is something very special in sports

I disagree that we should be fighting for the 8th seed just so we can use the nets picks and put our drafted player in a "winning" environment .

Much rather have another top pick. Look at last year, we made the playoffs over 3 teams that had injuries and finished less than 500 but we got to be in the playoffs.....swept. I would have rather nabbed winslow at 10 or tanked and gotten Kristaps or something.

I don't get why people are so hung up on Winslow and missing out on him . He hasn't done anything yet to make me think he's going to be a legit star. Yes that could change, but he hasn't looked very good yet, even in summer league he was just okay.

If DA had thrown all that had been rumored at him and got him I bet most fans would be ripping DA a new one for that with how Winslow has produce so far.

Now as for the winning culture. DA didn't know teams would have been that bad, and couldn't have predicted that Stevens learning curve would have been so fast. The only thing DA did wrong was bring IT in last season. He gave the C's a boost with his scoring, but again he can't control how bad other teams would be, or how well Stevens can get players to play better than they had been.

But that right their will be worth more than missing out on Winslow in last season draft. POP's have given huge praise to Stevens, and thats getting around. I'm not worried right now  about the C's getting the next guy. This is year three in a rebuild, we are in the hunt for the playoffs. Players, coach's, media are taking notice of our coach, and we could have a lottery pick with the NEts for the next 3 years.

I get people want something right now. But as an artist I can tell you that rushing and cutting corners to get to the final image usually ends up in a poor product. You look at Philly and they are a mess, their potential Franchise player/leader in in trouble. But Minni, who yes got lucky with their young guys, also brought in some vets to show them how to play. ANd it's paying off already.

I disagree and your not getting what I said.

First, we not only missed out on Winslow but we also missed out on Turner. We were all in agreement that the Celts needed a rim protecting big man, and best case scenario he would be able to hit free throws and shoot. So in a draft in which ther're are 4 legit Centers that have franchise potential and would have been able to shoot and block......Ainge got careless and underestimated CBS and it caused us to miss out on Karl Towns, Kristaps, Okafor, Myles Turner. He should have at minimum offered NY for the 4th pick. I am on record saying that we should call it a wash and trade IT and whoever else to get that pick......I was told by many posters that I was crazy, which I get called a lot because I scout future prospects and believe we are better off doing a classy tank.

 But even more disgusting was Ainge keeping vets on the team that were not going to be back next year. We won because we were deep and our coach, we were a great stepping stone for vet players that were in a contract year. IT was hurt for a bit and we still were winning. DA got offers for AB, mid to late firsts, and kept Bass, Jonas, Gigi after the deadline when they should have been waived; he did the same crap with Hump&co the year before.

YES YOU CAN SAY THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN A TOP 3 PICK, THATS FAIR. BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE FOR SURE, AND YOU DEF CAN'T TELL ME IT WAS THE BEST DECISION TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS IN A YEAR THAT FEATURED A DRAFT OF MULTIPLE FRANCHISE CENTERS. PLUS THOSE CENTERS WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME IS AINGE. STEVENS DID HIS JOB AMAZINGLY AND GETTING ITHOMAS WAS A GREAT MOVE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THOMAS WAS THE REASON WE MADE THE PLAYOFFS, IT HELPED, BUT OUR DOWNFALL WAS STACKING THE TEAM WITH VETS THAT WERE AT THEIR PRIME(OR CLOSE TO IT) AND VETS THAT WERE NOT IN OUR FUTURE PLANS.

[Celtics18]

I like what ainge has done... Cousins Davis towns noel okafor Wiggins are all premier talents...  But they will grow up in a losing environment.. With the nets picks cbs will insert our premium talents the next years in a winning environment.. And the mentality is something very special in sports

I disagree that we should be fighting for the 8th seed just so we can use the nets picks and put our drafted player in a "winning" environment .

Much rather have another top pick. Look at last year, we made the playoffs over 3 teams that had injuries and finished less than 500 but we got to be in the playoffs.....swept. I would have rather nabbed winslow at 10 or tanked and gotten Kristaps or something.

I don't get why people are so hung up on Winslow and missing out on him . He hasn't done anything yet to make me think he's going to be a legit star. Yes that could change, but he hasn't looked very good yet, even in summer league he was just okay.

If DA had thrown all that had been rumored at him and got him I bet most fans would be ripping DA a new one for that with how Winslow has produce so far.

Now as for the winning culture. DA didn't know teams would have been that bad, and couldn't have predicted that Stevens learning curve would have been so fast. The only thing DA did wrong was bring IT in last season. He gave the C's a boost with his scoring, but again he can't control how bad other teams would be, or how well Stevens can get players to play better than they had been.

But that right their will be worth more than missing out on Winslow in last season draft. POP's have given huge praise to Stevens, and thats getting around. I'm not worried right now  about the C's getting the next guy. This is year three in a rebuild, we are in the hunt for the playoffs. Players, coach's, media are taking notice of our coach, and we could have a lottery pick with the NEts for the next 3 years.

I get people want something right now. But as an artist I can tell you that rushing and cutting corners to get to the final image usually ends up in a poor product. You look at Philly and they are a mess, their potential Franchise player/leader in in trouble. But Minni, who yes got lucky with their young guys, also brought in some vets to show them how to play. ANd it's paying off already.

I disagree and your not getting what I said.

First, we not only missed out on Winslow but we also missed out on Turner. We were all in agreement that the Celts needed a rim protecting big man, and best case scenario he would be able to hit free throws and shoot. So in a draft in which ther're are 4 legit Centers that have franchise potential and would have been able to shoot and block......Ainge got careless and underestimated CBS and it caused us to miss out on Karl Towns, Kristaps, Okafor, Myles Turner. He should have at minimum offered NY for the 4th pick. I am on record saying that we should call it a wash and trade IT and whoever else to get that pick......I was told by many posters that I was crazy, which I get called a lot because I scout future prospects and believe we are better off doing a classy tank.

 But even more disgusting was Ainge keeping vets on the team that were not going to be back next year. We won because we were deep and our coach, we were a great stepping stone for vet players that were in a contract year. IT was hurt for a bit and we still were winning. DA got offers for AB, mid to late firsts, and kept Bass, Jonas, Gigi after the deadline when they should have been waived; he did the same crap with Hump&co the year before.

YES YOU CAN SAY THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN A TOP 3 PICK, THATS FAIR. BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE FOR SURE, AND YOU DEF CAN'T TELL ME IT WAS THE BEST DECISION TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS IN A YEAR THAT FEATURED A DRAFT OF MULTIPLE FRANCHISE CENTERS. PLUS THOSE CENTERS WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME IS AINGE. STEVENS DID HIS JOB AMAZINGLY AND GETTING ITHOMAS WAS A GREAT MOVE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THOMAS WAS THE REASON WE MADE THE PLAYOFFS, IT HELPED, BUT OUR DOWNFALL WAS STACKING THE TEAM WITH VETS THAT WERE AT THEIR PRIME(OR CLOSE TO IT) AND VETS THAT WERE NOT IN OUR FUTURE PLANS.

Impressive!!  A closing paragraph all in capital letters. 

Shout it out, brother!!  You will be heard.   

[Moranis]

multiple top 5 picks?