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If the Celtics draft Kris's Dunn, who has to go.
« on: December 05, 2015, 04:17:20 AM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 I'd like to know what we could get for a package of Rozier, Young, and Hunter. I like Hunter but who else would you get rid of in the guard rotation if we drafted a stud point guard like Dunn.

 If there was ever a case to stay all four years in college than its Kris's Dunn. Take a look at his freshman to senior stats.

 Freshman 27 mpg 5.7 ppg 4.8rpg 3.2apg 1.2 spg
 .398 fg%

 Senior year 32.4mpg 18.6ppg 6.6rpg 7.6apg 3.6spg
 .473% fg
 He's currently a top 10 pick, long rangey explosive point guard and you never know with Guard happy Ainge.

 So would Smart have to go. I'm not Getting rid of Bradley or Thomas right now and I do like Hunter but is that to many guards.

 Dunn Thomas
 Bradley Smart Hunter

 I guess that's a pretty awesome rotation. With Hunter getting spot minutes. Also Smart can guard some SF's and hopefully Hunter can too in time.
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Re: If the Celtics draft Kris's Dunn, who has to go.
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2015, 04:20:57 AM »

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 Also With Smart, Bradley, Dunn, Crowder. That's a nightmare for guards in the league.

 Check him out.

 https://youtu.be/1XbTcmCyEy8

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2015, 04:27:21 AM »

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 Start this video at fifty seconds. Good highlight song too 8)

 https://youtu.be/KuvRsdMxfng

Re: If the Celtics draft Kris's Dunn, who has to go.
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2015, 04:31:36 AM »

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 If you wanna see who Dunn is in one play than watch at 43 seconds here,

 https://youtu.be/WnpRJhIz7_A

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2015, 05:17:29 AM »

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Re: If the Celtics draft Kris's Dunn, who has to go.
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2015, 06:40:17 AM »

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 Who would you get rid of in this scenario...

Re: If the Celtics draft Kris's Dunn, who has to go.
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2015, 07:39:28 AM »

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So, you found it necessary to post 6 straight times in a row?

Edit button is there for a reason, use it.

Re: If the Celtics draft Kris's Dunn, who has to go.
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2015, 08:40:52 AM »

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I just want to point out that just because Dunn has improved in college doesn't mean he wouldn't have done so if he left earlier for the NBA. Any senior considered draftable by the NBA SHOULD be putting up great stats. Imagine if Giannis went to college and this was his third year. He would be dominating.

You have to leave early if you want to maximize your earning potential. Dunn will be on a rookie deal for four years which will bring him to age 26 when he can get his first big contract. Compare that to one-and-done'rs who will get their payday at 23. That's 3 extra max paychecks!

Besides enjoying the college experience, the only reason to stay in school is because you aren't certain you will be drafted in the first round, or believe you can get a significantly better rookie deal if you improve your draft stock enough. Dunn might have played himself into being a top 6 pick, but will the rookie salary difference be large enough to make up for the year lost in college making no salary at all? The earlier you can start the free agency clock, the more you can make over your career.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2015, 09:17:40 AM »

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Dunn has definitely got some potential. He has great quickness and court vision.

The problem is that he is a slasher who finishes at the rim at only 46%. That's against college athletes. He is not a great outside shooter either, although he does show some promise there.

His situation reminds me a little of Evan Turner. They are similar players, although Dunn is more athletic. Evan Turner was projected to be a great playmaker in the NBA, but his struggles with turnovers and finishing at the rim has held him back. In college that was covered up by an extremely high usage rate, which is the same with Dunn.

As far as him replacing Smart, Bradley, Thomas, or Hunter, no thank-you. I would rather have Smart and Hunter continue to develop under CBS. I'm not sure Dunn is better enough to justify giving up on a prospect we have devoted resources on.

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2015, 09:27:03 AM »

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Marcus Smart would eat Kris Dunn alive. Let me just put that out there.

I like Dunn, but hes supposedly going to end up in the top 13, and that is a no bueno for me.

As someone said, I don't see him doing that well in the NBA. But who knows?
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2015, 09:39:52 AM »

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Per DraftExpress: "Kris Dunn came to Providence as a McDonald's All-American and the centerpiece of Ed Cooley's rebuilding process. A serious shoulder injury hampered him severely as a freshman, and then another injury to the same shoulder forced him to miss almost the entire 2013-2014 season."

He also didn't play much his first year because he was behind Bryce Cotton who was probably the top PG in the Big East before him so I wouldn't put too much weight on his improvement. His first real PT came last year and he was on the short list of top PGs and expected to be late lottery to mid-teens pick. I thought her should have come out last draft, but he showed well in the summer camps and so far this season his stock has risen. Fills up the stat sheet and a good defender, but not a 3PG threat and sometimes tries to do too much as evidence by a too high TO rate Should be able to fix both as his shot's ok and he tries to do too much given a so-so cast at Providence.

He'd be the most balanced 2-way PG on our roster, assuming he can play in the NBA (which I do having seen a number of his games). #6 on the current DraftExpress mock, 4th in steals and 5th in assists nationally last season, and 2nd highest PPG in the Big East. Being 6'4" with a 6'9" reach makes him a freak for the PG position. Would fit well with our defensive orientation AND is a scorer and playmaker.

I would have taken him over Rozier or anyone else available at 16 last draft and he would have been a bargain. That being said, his draft rank seems more fairly priced this year and he's the top PG so far (excluding Simmons), but if we're picking from 3-8, I'd want a C or a SF.

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2015, 09:48:32 AM »

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Dunn has definitely got some potential. He has great quickness and court vision.

The problem is that he is a slasher who finishes at the rim at only 46%. That's against college athletes. He is not a great outside shooter either, although he does show some promise there.

His situation reminds me a little of Evan Turner. They are similar players, although Dunn is more athletic. Evan Turner was projected to be a great playmaker in the NBA, but his struggles with turnovers and finishing at the rim has held him back. In college that was covered up by an extremely high usage rate, which is the same with Dunn.

As far as him replacing Smart, Bradley, Thomas, or Hunter, no thank-you. I would rather have Smart and Hunter continue to develop under CBS. I'm not sure Dunn is better enough to justify giving up on a prospect we have devoted resources on.

Your stats are off a lot. He shoots 67% at the rim this year. 57% last year. TS% is 54.7% this year and 54.6% last year, which are good numbers for a PG.

http://hoop-math.com/Providence2016.php
http://hoop-math.com/Providence2015.php

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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2015, 09:53:31 AM »

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I went and checked out Kris Dunn and the Friars down at the Dunk last week.

I came away impressed. 
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2015, 12:46:26 PM »

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Dunn has definitely got some potential. He has great quickness and court vision.

The problem is that he is a slasher who finishes at the rim at only 46%. That's against college athletes. He is not a great outside shooter either, although he does show some promise there.

His situation reminds me a little of Evan Turner. They are similar players, although Dunn is more athletic. Evan Turner was projected to be a great playmaker in the NBA, but his struggles with turnovers and finishing at the rim has held him back. In college that was covered up by an extremely high usage rate, which is the same with Dunn.

As far as him replacing Smart, Bradley, Thomas, or Hunter, no thank-you. I would rather have Smart and Hunter continue to develop under CBS. I'm not sure Dunn is better enough to justify giving up on a prospect we have devoted resources on.

Your stats are off a lot. He shoots 67% at the rim this year. 57% last year. TS% is 54.7% this year and 54.6% last year, which are good numbers for a PG.

http://hoop-math.com/Providence2016.php
http://hoop-math.com/Providence2015.php

I was using DraftExpress scouting report video and their stats. Did not check to see if it was correct. They may use different ranges (3 feet versus 5 feet) that make a big difference.

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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2015, 01:28:33 PM »

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He has been on the radar since last year. He is having a good year but not about pull any of the current guards for him. It's another level in the Pros.