Would you trade the Nets pick in a blockbuster for....?

[CsBanner18]

To be more clear here's an example for Option 3:

Give up the following for Hayward & Favors:

Young Players: Bradley, Olynyk, Rozier, Young

Picks: 2016 BOS 1st, 2016 DAL 1st, 2017 BYKN 1st (via right to swap), & 2018 BKYN 1st

Fillers: Lee, Jerebko

I'm not trading anything for a combination of maybes. Sign-and-trade for Drummond or Beal or something like that. Otherwise thanks but no  thanks, we can roll the dice on someone from the draft.

In this we agree so here's a TP. I'm not in favor of giving away 8 1st round picks for guys who aren't even in the running for the All-NBA team. These guys are fine players but they're not superstars and they're both old enough that you're getting them at their peak (no more upside). Make those moves and maybe Boston is a 2nd round playoff team but nowhere near good enough to compete with the top dogs.

If Boston already had that bonafide #1 guy then I'd do this to get a very good supporting cast. But these guys aren't the leaders of the band and you're giving away virtually every tradable asset that could be used to get that bandleader.

Edit: 500th post!

According to the above proposal the Celtics still get to keep the Nets 2016 1st round pick--which means we still have a chance at getting Simmons or another impact player in the draft. Not to mention we'd still have Free Agency to bolster our roster some more.

Picks left after the trade:


1st round:

- 2016 BKYN 1st
- 2016 MIN 1st (could become two 2nd round picks)
- 2018 MEM 1st
- All of our own 1st round picks beyond 2017

2nd round:

-2016 DAL
-2016 MIA
-2016 CLE
-2016 PHI
-2017 LAC
-2017 CLE
-2019 DET
-2020 MIA

Ainge can try consolidating some of these 2nd rounders for future late 1st rounders.

Favors is 24 & Hayward is 25...so they both still have a few more years to improve their game even more before entering their primes.

Favors was a 3rd pick
Hayward was a 9th pick

Given the fact that both players are highly valued, we have to pay a high price to get them.

If anything, I'd try taking Bradley out of the deal and offering two of our NON PHILLY 2nd rounders.

Then our depth chart would be:

Smart/IT4/Turner
Bradley/Hunter
Hayward/Crowder/Turner
Sully/Crowder/Mickey
Favors/Amir /Zeller

 

[flybono]

#1 pick in 16 is worth more in trade then drafting a college player for the Celtics..
As we now see, you cannot bet on getting a high pick. Nets are going to finish middle of the pack. 35 wins, you got sh!t with their pick..

Is favors worth a 1 ?  Take what u can get

[colincb]

To be more clear here's an example for Option 3:

Give up the following for Hayward & Favors:

Young Players: Bradley, Olynyk, Rozier, Young

Picks: 2016 BOS 1st, 2016 DAL 1st, 2017 BYKN 1st (via right to swap), & 2018 BKYN 1st

Fillers: Lee, Jerebko

This trade is not very good for the Cs. AB (basically a cusp all-star) + 4 1sts (2 mid and 2 lottery) for Favors and GH, neither who are cusp all-stars.

[saltlover]

To be more clear here's an example for Option 3:

Give up the following for Hayward & Favors:

Young Players: Bradley, Olynyk, Rozier, Young

Picks: 2016 BOS 1st, 2016 DAL 1st, 2017 BYKN 1st (via right to swap), & 2018 BKYN 1st

Fillers: Lee, Jerebko

This trade is not very good for the Cs. AB (basically a cusp all-star) + 4 1sts (2 mid and 2 lottery) for Favors and GH, neither who are cusp all-stars.

Favors is definitely a cusp All-Star.

[PhoSita]

Yes, if we could manage it without giving up any of our main guys (Thomas, Crowder, Smart, Bradley, Sullinger, Olynyk).

I don't see why the Jazz would do it, though.  Hayward - Favors - Gobert can be really good together, they just need better starting guards and a solid bench.

[slamtheking]

To be more clear here's an example for Option 3:

Give up the following for Hayward & Favors:

Young Players: Bradley, Olynyk, Rozier, Young

Picks: 2016 BOS 1st, 2016 DAL 1st, 2017 BYKN 1st (via right to swap), & 2018 BKYN 1st

Fillers: Lee, Jerebko

too expensive.  Hayward's a decent SF and Favors is one of my binkies but that's severe overpayment.  Right now, AB isn't that much below Hayward in terms of value.  The rest is waaaay too much to make up that little bit of difference and Favors.

[slamtheking]

To be more clear here's an example for Option 3:

Give up the following for Hayward & Favors:

Young Players: Bradley, Olynyk, Rozier, Young

Picks: 2016 BOS 1st, 2016 DAL 1st, 2017 BYKN 1st (via right to swap), & 2018 BKYN 1st

Fillers: Lee, Jerebko

I'm not trading anything for a combination of maybes. Sign-and-trade for Drummond or Beal or something like that. Otherwise thanks but no  thanks, we can roll the dice on someone from the draft.

In this we agree so here's a TP. I'm not in favor of giving away 8 1st round picks for guys who aren't even in the running for the All-NBA team. These guys are fine players but they're not superstars and they're both old enough that you're getting them at their peak (no more upside). Make those moves and maybe Boston is a 2nd round playoff team but nowhere near good enough to compete with the top dogs.

If Boston already had that bonafide #1 guy then I'd do this to get a very good supporting cast. But these guys aren't the leaders of the band and you're giving away virtually every tradable asset that could be used to get that bandleader.

Edit: 500th post!

According to the above proposal the Celtics still get to keep the Nets 2016 1st round pick--which means we still have a chance at getting Simmons or another impact player in the draft. Not to mention we'd still have Free Agency to bolster our roster some more.

Picks left after the trade:


1st round:

- 2016 BKYN 1st
- 2016 MIN 1st (could become two 2nd round picks)
- 2018 MEM 1st
- All of our own 1st round picks beyond 2017

2nd round:

-2016 DAL
-2016 MIA
-2016 CLE
-2016 PHI
-2017 LAC
-2017 CLE
-2019 DET
-2020 MIA

Ainge can try consolidating some of these 2nd rounders for future late 1st rounders.

Favors is 24 & Hayward is 25...so they both still have a few more years to improve their game even more before entering their primes.

Favors was a 3rd pick
Hayward was a 9th pick

Given the fact that both players are highly valued, we have to pay a high price to get them.

If anything, I'd try taking Bradley out of the deal and offering two of our NON PHILLY 2nd rounders.

Then our depth chart would be:

Smart/IT4/Turner
Bradley/Hunter
Hayward/Crowder/Turner
Sully/Crowder/Mickey
Favors/Amir /Zeller

by listing out what was left, you emphasized how bad a deal it was by emptying the cupboard of first rounders in a deal for 2 good starters that aren't all-stars.  having all those second rounders means nothing.

[BDeCosta26]

#1 pick in 16 is worth more in trade then drafting a college player for the Celtics..
As we now see, you cannot bet on getting a high pick. Nets are going to finish middle of the pack. 35 wins, you got sh!t with their pick..

Is favors worth a 1 ?  Take what u can get

Do you really think Brooklyn is gonna go 5 games over .500 the rest of the way through the season? With RHJ out, likely for the year? That's what they would need to do to finish with 35 wins. And it's not gonna happen. Even if they played .500 the rest of the year and finished with 30, that's still a top 10 pick. The east is much improved this year.

More than likely, that pick ends up in the top 8, even conservatively estimated.

[flybono]

#1 pick in 16 is worth more in trade then drafting a college player for the Celtics..
As we now see, you cannot bet on getting a high pick. Nets are going to finish middle of the pack. 35 wins, you got sh!t with their pick..

Is favors worth a 1 ?  Take what u can get

Do you really think Brooklyn is gonna go 5 games over .500 the rest of the way through the season? With RHJ out, likely for the year? That's what they would need to do to finish with 35 wins. And it's not gonna happen. Even if they played .500 the rest of the year and finished with 30, that's still a top 10 pick. The east is much improved this year.

More than likely, that pick ends up in the top 8, even conservatively estimated.

If you got no shot at Simmons, need to trade the pick.. I don't see the Nets finishing with a Top 3 losing record... They do have some players

[Ilikesports17]

#1 pick in 16 is worth more in trade then drafting a college player for the Celtics..
As we now see, you cannot bet on getting a high pick. Nets are going to finish middle of the pack. 35 wins, you got sh!t with their pick..

Is favors worth a 1 ?  Take what u can get

Do you really think Brooklyn is gonna go 5 games over .500 the rest of the way through the season? With RHJ out, likely for the year? That's what they would need to do to finish with 35 wins. And it's not gonna happen. Even if they played .500 the rest of the year and finished with 30, that's still a top 10 pick. The east is much improved this year.

More than likely, that pick ends up in the top 8, even conservatively estimated.

If you got no shot at Simmons, need to trade the pick.. I don't see the Nets finishing with a Top 3 losing record... They do have some players

not being top 3 lotto odds and winning 35 games are very very different

[Smitty77]

#1 pick in 16 is worth more in trade then drafting a college player for the Celtics..
As we now see, you cannot bet on getting a high pick. Nets are going to finish middle of the pack. 35 wins, you got sh!t with their pick..

Is favors worth a 1 ?  Take what u can get

Do you really think Brooklyn is gonna go 5 games over .500 the rest of the way through the season? With RHJ out, likely for the year? That's what they would need to do to finish with 35 wins. And it's not gonna happen. Even if they played .500 the rest of the year and finished with 30, that's still a top 10 pick. The east is much improved this year.

More than likely, that pick ends up in the top 8, even conservatively estimated.

If you got no shot at Simmons, need to trade the pick.. I don't see the Nets finishing with a Top 3 losing record... They do have some players

OK, the Sixers and the Lakers will be in the bottom two, hands down!!  But, who the heck will be WORSE than the Nets??  If you truly think that the Pelicans will be worse, you are going to be proven wrong.  Who will be the third worst team other than the Nets in your opinion???

Smitty77