is kelly experimenting

[rollie mass]

the celts want players going to hoop and drawing fouls,no long twos
kelly picked up quite a bit this summer and some confidence in his dribbling skills and defence
 he's going into paint and looking to pass for the layup not finish
this is leading to some awkward shots and shuffling of feet
as some have said kelly has skills
also he is playing good defence

[Who]

Shooters usually shoot the ball better when given longer minutes. I think this is especially true for perimeter jump-shooting big men. When you only get 4-5 shots in 16-20 minutes, it is hard to build consistent long range shooting.

It's not that he gets 4-5 shots... it's that he chooses not to take more. I mean, he's quite often open with a shot to take and doesn't. So... one can say something about how much minutes he plays (if he warrants more or not), but it's another when within the minutes he gets (whichever they are) if he's putting up the shots that he should be taking. He isn't.

I speaking more towards his FG% and overall shooting efficiency numbers.

Passing up shots separate issue / problem. 

[jambr380]

It just figures that our one [somewhat] significant injury this year was to our highly touted guard and not to one of our many 'bigs'. I am definitely not pushing for any injuries, but that seems to be the only route that will open up more minutes for Kelly. Hopefully when he gets those minutes, he can excel like Sully has...he certainly has the potential.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Shooters usually shoot the ball better when given longer minutes. I think this is especially true for perimeter jump-shooting big men. When you only get 4-5 shots in 16-20 minutes, it is hard to build consistent long range shooting.

It's not that he gets 4-5 shots... it's that he chooses not to take more. I mean, he's quite often open with a shot to take and doesn't. So... one can say something about how much minutes he plays (if he warrants more or not), but it's another when within the minutes he gets (whichever they are) if he's putting up the shots that he should be taking. He isn't.

I speaking more towards his FG% and overall shooting efficiency numbers.

Passing up shots separate issue / problem. 

Certainly, but I understood that you used the low FGA as an excuse for his poor shooting percentage. So I was trying to illustrate that his low FGA his more or less self-inflicted, so can't give him a pass for poor shooting percentages due to it... even if I recognize that what you're saying is true. But won't pass on the blame.

And overall, for the season he's not shooting all that much less than his previous years. He's simply been sucking it a bit more this year, so he's facing confidence issues, which also leads to poor shooting, which at the same time limit his chances on the court.

Chick and the egg dilemma, but can't give him much of a pass considering how much of chance he's been given from the coach in the past as is... and even still if you think about it. His play would've had him benched in any other team I think.

[Chris22]

Olynyk hurts the team by turning down open shots.
Also, he never squares up. He puts one foot in front of the other, and he refused Tommy's good advice to learn to shoot a hook shot.
Olynyk's biggest problem is his brain.

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Olynyk hurts the team by turning down open shots.
Also, he never squares up. He puts one foot in front of the other, and he refused Tommy's good advice to learn to shoot a hook shot.
Olynyk's biggest problem is his brain.

I would agree with part of this. KO's mechanics are poor. And that's directly related to why so many of his misses are so egregious, including many that he misses both laterally and in distance.

I doubt Olynyk's trade value will ever significantly improve, but it could reduce to literally zero. The Cs should look to move him.

[Neurotic Guy]

Remember when there was an Olynyk-Sully debate?

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Remember when there was an Olynyk-Sully debate?

It'll be back. Sully will miss a few games, Kelly will drop 20 once and he'll be the second coming of Dirk again.

[Redz]

He definitely seems to be trying to beat defenders with fancy footwork way more frequently

[ZoneD]

Kelly seems to me to be the same player he's always been. He has above average offensive skills from the face-up position for a big man, he is a solid passer, and he can hit the three if wide open. On the other hand, he is a subpar defender both in the post and on the perimeter, he has poor footwork (case in point all of his recent turnovers due to travelling), he is a below average rebounder for a guy his size and he is inconsistent regardless of whether he plays 5 mins or 25 mins. Altogether, I still think he will make some small improvements as he gets more experience but I don't think he will ever be a consistent starter in this league.

[Chris22]

Kelly seems to me to be the same player he's always been. He has above average offensive skills from the face-up position for a big man, he is a solid passer, and he can hit the three if wide open. On the other hand, he is a subpar defender both in the post and on the perimeter, he has poor footwork (case in point all of his recent turnovers due to travelling), he is a below average rebounder for a guy his size and he is inconsistent regardless of whether he plays 5 mins or 25 mins. Altogether, I still think he will make some small improvements as he gets more experience but I don't think he will ever be a consistent starter in this league.

When they swing the ball to you, and you have a wide open 3, you shoot.
How complicated is that to understand?
And when a Hall of Fame player tells you to learn to shoot a hook shot, why would you not listen?
Olynyk is a knucklehead.

[Evantime34]

Here are the explanations I have thought of for Kelly passing up open 3's
1. He is not as confident in his shot as he should be
2. His release is kind of low and can be bothered by being contested. So some of the 3's he passed up wouldn't go in anyway because a contest would mess up his shot.
3. He is way more confident in his ability to drive than he should be.

I hope it's #3 because I think the first two will be tough for him to change from.

[GreenWarrior]

I dunno what to say about Kelly anymore.  I think maybe playing on a team with frequently shifting rotations and a lack of clear offensive roles is difficult for him.


He makes so many smart plays and seems to bring a lot of intangible value to the floor, and I like that.  On the other hand, there just doesn't seem to be a good reason that he can't consistently put up 6-10 points each game, and his rebounding is weak.  Definitely a frustrating player.

funny, his skill set says he'd thrive on this team

[rollie mass]

keep the hair pulled back-check replays and repair dirk move or if not traveling, send a report to nba front office-
with the floor spaced it was perfect for kelly, ball movement favors him--KEEP THE HAIR BACK

[Celtics18]

keep the hair pulled back-check replays and repair dirk move or if not traveling, send a report to nba front office-
with the floor spaced it was perfect for kelly, ball movement favors him--KEEP THE HAIR BACK

The hair back was a good look for him last night.  I remember the last time he wore it, he had a stinker of a game. 

In that one, I was yelling at my TV:  "Lose the ridiculous looking man bun!!!!"

In short, I don't really care how he wears his hair if he's ballin.'