Cousins suspeded

[pearljammer10]

Yea I wouldn't want to depend on this guy in big situations . He loses it way to easy . One incident after another .

Exactly.  He just may lack mental toughness or whatever it is that makes you lose your poise.  I'm not sure you mortgage the future of your franchise for someone a. who has never won at the pro level and b. you're not sure how he'd react under real pressure.

Like KG.  Like Rondo.  Like Pierce. 

All lost their composure and got suspended or ejected in playoff games.  I wouldn't want to depend on those guys in big situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwm2tolAHo

Good thing we didn't build around that guy.

Oh wait.

#CelticsFanHypocrisy

The denial on Cousins talent is absurd. Put him in a situation where he has a stable coach, management team, and owner and see what happens. Players get suspended. It happens. Didnt Kevin Love stomp on a guys face? How come he isn't criticized in the same way now that he is playing for a championship contender in Cleveland as opposed to putting up big numbers for a stinker team in Minny?

[dreamgreen]

Yea I wouldn't want to depend on this guy in big situations . He loses it way to easy . One incident after another .

Exactly.  He just may lack mental toughness or whatever it is that makes you lose your poise.  I'm not sure you mortgage the future of your franchise for someone a. who has never won at the pro level and b. you're not sure how he'd react under real pressure.

Like KG.  Like Rondo.  Like Pierce. 

All lost their composure and got suspended or ejected in playoff games.  I wouldn't want to depend on those guys in big situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwm2tolAHo

Good thing we didn't build around that guy.

Oh wait.

#CelticsFanHypocrisy

Roy i think you have to lose this man crush on DMC. 
He's very talented we all agree but other than that he hasn't turned it into winning on the court. Along with the fact he clearly is no leader. We can dream he comes to the Celtics and turns that all around but highly unlikely that happens.

[Roy H.]

Yea I wouldn't want to depend on this guy in big situations . He loses it way to easy . One incident after another .

Exactly.  He just may lack mental toughness or whatever it is that makes you lose your poise.  I'm not sure you mortgage the future of your franchise for someone a. who has never won at the pro level and b. you're not sure how he'd react under real pressure.

Like KG.  Like Rondo.  Like Pierce. 

All lost their composure and got suspended or ejected in playoff games.  I wouldn't want to depend on those guys in big situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwm2tolAHo

Good thing we didn't build around that guy.

Oh wait.

#CelticsFanHypocrisy

Roy i think you have to lose this man crush on DMC. 
He's very talented we all agree but other than that he hasn't turned it into winning on the court. Along with the fact he clearly is no leader. We can dream he comes to the Celtics and turns that all around but highly unlikely that happens.

Regardless of whether you want him as a Celtic, apply the same standard across the board. If this incident is reason to think he's a loser head case, apply the same standard to our recent Celtics greats.

This incident is barely worthy of discussion.

[kozlodoev]

Regardless of whether you want him as a Celtic, apply the same standard across the board. If this incident is reason to think he's a loser head case, apply the same standard to our recent Celtics greats.

Take your pick. I especially recommend the incident around 4:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gAEHtFPYp0

[RockinRyA]

Yea I wouldn't want to depend on this guy in big situations . He loses it way to easy . One incident after another .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ipFgECUCwvk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NaQ1dJ3c4M

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xtmpEPNiqB4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5aDQqbAIHHo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrhaV_-uiM

KG did it to get under the opponents skin , Cousin is the exact opposite and loses his head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CifxHpQWc_0

People see what they want to see. I guess QRich was so important that getting into his head was worth being suspended for a playoff game? 

Or, KG is a passionate player who sometimes crossed the line. Just like DMC.

I know you love Cousins , but he is not in KG's league when it comes to making a team better .

your point got rebutted so badly that you resort to personalities?  I have no respect for people that ignore the counterarguments like nothing of the sort was even said.

[Csfan1984]

Regardless of whether you want him as a Celtic, apply the same standard across the board. If this incident is reason to think he's a loser head case, apply the same standard to our recent Celtics greats.

Take your pick. I especially recommend the incident around 4:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gAEHtFPYp0

We have seen a lot worse. AW was the biggest whiner. I actually think Cousins is exactly in between Rasheed and Toine. He acts out a lot but not a Sheed levels and he whines a lot but not at Walker levels but he does both.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

I am very curious to see what would happen if he was paired wit a legit scoring guard. Westbrook/Wall/Kemba type.  Im starting to think he's the perfect complimentary 2nd option on a team. I also believe if he isn't the main focal on offense (Rudy really hasn't been that guy) his post offensive/passing skillset  has the ability to make everyone better. Atleast that what  it translates to me out of these losses. I don't think he needs a Rondo. Maybe a Rudy when he was stil in Memphis would worked out

[pearljammer10]

Like an Isaiah Thomas?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I am very curious to see what would happen if he was paired wit a legit scoring guard. Westbrook/Wall/Kemba type.  Im starting to think he's the perfect complimentary 2nd option on a team. I also believe if he isn't the main focal on offense (Rudy really hasn't been that guy) his post offensive/passing skillset  has the ability to make everyone better. Atleast that what  it translates to me out of these losses. I don't think he needs a Rondo. Maybe a Rudy when he was stil in Memphis would worked out

Well, he was paired with IT for a while, but I'm not sure that was a resounding success—which does make me wonder if that combo could work in Boston.

Disappointing

Seriously?  You must have hated the 2008 Celtics.

This stuff barely registers with me. Two big men were playing physically and one threw an elbow? It doesn't make me want to hide the women and children.

Doesn't change the fact that cousins deserves a suspension for acting like a tosser on a regular basis. When is this guy's talent or sacramento's talent as a whole going to translate to any wins? At what point does being a leader become his responsibility instead of being a complete sook half the time?

Anyone who trades multiple high picks for this guy is making a mistake.

Not that I'm defending DMC in this or any other particular incident, but I think what Roy is saying is not that DMC is the same caliber of player as KG (though I think he could be), but that they're quite similar in terms of on-court "jerkiness,"

You make a great point. And that's what annoys me most about him. He is a massive waste of talent.

I think his talent is being wasted only to the degree that bad management of the Kings has failed to put serious talent around him. I think that if he's on a good team with good chemistry and a good coach (*cough*Boston*cough*), he might be able to put forth a better product in regards to his personal behavior. I mean, he's always put up great numbers, so it's not like he hasn't produced. I think he does have an attitude problem, but I think it's exacerbated by his current situation—a classic case of players on bad teams acting like idiots—and a healthy environment could do wonders for the guy.

Well you've got cousins, rondo, koufos, rudy gay, an improving ben mclemore, and two solid bench guys in belinelli and collison with a solid coach. And there's a 4-9 record. What's the excuse this year if they come out going 10-22?

When does the best player on the team start taking the blame?

I see a lot of decent-to-good role players in that list, with Rondo and Gay being better than role players but not exactly stars—we're all familiar with Rondo's shortcomings, and Gay is basically a gunner and little else. DMC's situation is kind of reminiscent of Pierce when the latter was a bit of a troublemaker (remember the elbow against Indiana in the playoffs?) surrounded by so-so players like Antoine Walker and Ricky Davis, except that Cousins hasn't been given the chance to play with a Ray Allen and/or KG.

[Roy H.]

Regardless of whether you want him as a Celtic, apply the same standard across the board. If this incident is reason to think he's a loser head case, apply the same standard to our recent Celtics greats.

Take your pick. I especially recommend the incident around 4:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gAEHtFPYp0

The technical fouls for complaining bother me more than him playing physically.  At the same time, I'd point out 1) a lot of those come from reacting to legitimately bad calls, and 2) lots of great players pick up techs.

Last year, Russell Westbrook led the NBA in techs.  Blake Griffin and Draymond Green were in the top-6. 

The year prior, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin led the league (along with Cousins); Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Andre Drummond, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, and Russell Westbrook were all in the top-12.

In 2013, the top-10 included Westbrook, Griffin, Durant, Carmelo, and Kobe.  Universally well-regarded leader David West was 11th.

2012, the top-12 included Griffin, Tyson Chandler, Carmelo, Westbrook, D12, Deron, Amare, Granger, Kobe, CP3, and Dirk (!)

And of course this season, the top-5 includes Griffin, Westbrook, Paul George and Draymond Green.

Is it fair to say that those who don't want Cousins because of his inability to contain his technical fouls would also pass on guys like Griffin, Westbrook, Kobe, CP3, Howard, Draymond Green and Durant?

You know what I care about more than technical fouls and physical play?  Guys who sacrifice their body to win.  Guess who led the NBA in charges drawn last year?  DeMarcus Cousins.  The year before?  DeMarcus Cousins.  The kid is a tremendously hard worker who has really improved his game.  He plays excellent defense, he's added an outside shot.

He's a productive, passionate, hard-working player.  I don't care if he doesn't earn enough style points while he's playing, or if he doesn't genuflect before the right people.

[rondohondo]

Regardless of whether you want him as a Celtic, apply the same standard across the board. If this incident is reason to think he's a loser head case, apply the same standard to our recent Celtics greats.

Take your pick. I especially recommend the incident around 4:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gAEHtFPYp0

The technical fouls for complaining bother me more than him playing physically.  At the same time, I'd point out 1) a lot of those come from reacting to legitimately bad calls, and 2) lots of great players pick up techs.

Last year, Russell Westbrook led the NBA in techs.  Blake Griffin and Draymond Green were in the top-6. 

The year prior, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin led the league (along with Cousins); Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Andre Drummond, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, and Russell Westbrook were all in the top-12.

In 2013, the top-10 included Westbrook, Griffin, Durant, Carmelo, and Kobe.  Universally well-regarded leader David West was 11th.

2012, the top-12 included Griffin, Tyson Chandler, Carmelo, Westbrook, D12, Deron, Amare, Granger, Kobe, CP3, and Dirk (!)

And of course this season, the top-5 includes Griffin, Westbrook, Paul George and Draymond Green.

Is it fair to say that those who don't want Cousins because of his inability to contain his technical fouls would also pass on guys like Griffin, Westbrook, Kobe, CP3, Howard, Draymond Green and Durant?

You know what I care about more than technical fouls and physical play?  Guys who sacrifice their body to win.  Guess who led the NBA in charges drawn last year?  DeMarcus Cousins.  The year before?  DeMarcus Cousins.  The kid is a tremendously hard worker who has really improved his game.  He plays excellent defense, he's added an outside shot.

He's a productive, passionate, hard-working player.  I don't care if he doesn't earn enough style points while he's playing, or if he doesn't genuflect before the right people.

you don't see the difference between these situations? Kg Paul Pierce and Ray were all veterans looking to win the championship. They all have each other to keep them in check. It's much like the Rasheed Wallace situation, he would need a veteran team around him to keep him in check. I am not giving up our future by trading our nets picks for a knucklehead.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Regardless of whether you want him as a Celtic, apply the same standard across the board. If this incident is reason to think he's a loser head case, apply the same standard to our recent Celtics greats.

Take your pick. I especially recommend the incident around 4:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gAEHtFPYp0

The technical fouls for complaining bother me more than him playing physically.  At the same time, I'd point out 1) a lot of those come from reacting to legitimately bad calls, and 2) lots of great players pick up techs.

Last year, Russell Westbrook led the NBA in techs.  Blake Griffin and Draymond Green were in the top-6. 

The year prior, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin led the league (along with Cousins); Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Andre Drummond, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, and Russell Westbrook were all in the top-12.

In 2013, the top-10 included Westbrook, Griffin, Durant, Carmelo, and Kobe.  Universally well-regarded leader David West was 11th.

2012, the top-12 included Griffin, Tyson Chandler, Carmelo, Westbrook, D12, Deron, Amare, Granger, Kobe, CP3, and Dirk (!)

And of course this season, the top-5 includes Griffin, Westbrook, Paul George and Draymond Green.

Is it fair to say that those who don't want Cousins because of his inability to contain his technical fouls would also pass on guys like Griffin, Westbrook, Kobe, CP3, Howard, Draymond Green and Durant?

You know what I care about more than technical fouls and physical play?  Guys who sacrifice their body to win.  Guess who led the NBA in charges drawn last year?  DeMarcus Cousins.  The year before?  DeMarcus Cousins.  The kid is a tremendously hard worker who has really improved his game.  He plays excellent defense, he's added an outside shot.

He's a productive, passionate, hard-working player.  I don't care if he doesn't earn enough style points while he's playing, or if he doesn't genuflect before the right people.

you don't see the difference between these situations? Kg Paul Pierce and Ray were all veterans looking to win the championship. They all have each other to keep them in check. It's much like the Rasheed Wallace situation, he would need a veteran team around him to keep him in check. I am not giving up our future by trading our nets picks for a knucklehead.

But what is the future? Boston's not winning a title with the current roster. We need (at the very least) a go-to guy.

Boston could get that guy in the draft, but the draft's sort of a crapshoot. And even among the players who turn out to be quite good, 99.9% of them don't make a dramatic impact in their first year or two. So if—if—Boston gets a star in the 2016 draft, he's likely not the next LeBron or Bird, which means, what? A couple (or a few) more years of development before the Cs are a legit contender?

Or, Boston could get that guy from the current crop of NBA players—except that there aren't a lot of truly great players out there, and many of those aren't realistic targets. LeBron isn't. Durant isn't. Steph Curry isn't. Whereas DMC is a realistic target.

I don't know, maybe Boston will get lucky and draft Simmons and he'll turn out to be the next superstar and lead Boston to its next title(s). Or not.

[greg683x]

Disappointing

Seriously?  You must have hated the 2008 Celtics.

This stuff barely registers with me. Two big men were playing physically and one threw an elbow? It doesn't make me want to hide the women and children.

Doesn't change the fact that cousins deserves a suspension for acting like a tosser on a regular basis. When is this guy's talent or sacramento's talent as a whole going to translate to any wins? At what point does being a leader become his responsibility instead of being a complete sook half the time?

Anyone who trades multiple high picks for this guy is making a mistake.

I'm inclined to think that not many of us would be great leaders if we were stuck on a losing team/horrible franchise. It would be pretty depressing.

Not that I'm defending DMC in this or any other particular incident, but I think what Roy is saying is not that DMC is the same caliber of player as KG (though I think he could be), but that they're quite similar in terms of on-court "jerkiness," regardless of their motivations for being so. I like KG, but there were many times during his Cs tenure that I shook my head at his juvenile on-court antics.

Everyone of those garnett youtube examples there was already a physical confrontation or ball battle.

Cousins threw his elbow at horford's jaw after the ball was through the hoop and everything should have been over. Is al horford really the sort of guy that strikes you as a thug? What happens if that elbow connects and horford gets a serious concussion? You can end careers with that sort of crap.

What happens if smart breaks his arm or dislocates his shoulder when Cousins throws him down violently last year?

Kevin Garnett hated the other team and didn't care what they thought.

When cousins doesn't get a call and gets into sulk mode he hates everyone and doesn't care about anyone else, not even his team. A lot of the time KG played great when angry and getting under the other team's skin. Cousins' play very rarely benefits from him acting like **** and his team definitely doesn't.

If its not helping your team, then learn to control yourself.

wheres the ball battle and previous physical confrontation in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fw4gxOoMMU

[greg683x]

Disappointing

Seriously?  You must have hated the 2008 Celtics.

This stuff barely registers with me. Two big men were playing physically and one threw an elbow? It doesn't make me want to hide the women and children.

I don't remember guys doing this in 2008.

I was disappointed with rondo against Atlanta in 2011. And kg vs Miami in 2010. Thing is, is that we won so it ultimately didn't matter following those games.

Kings need every win they can get thanks to the instability there. If cousins played they win this game against the Heat. It's disappointing it happened and the timing of it is even worse.

Big picture tho. It doesn't matter too much. But it was the worst time for him to do this and ultimately it was costly bc they lost a game he helps them win.

then you mustve forgotten that KG nearly got himself suspended for a game 7 in the first round against Atlanta when he threw an elbow at Zaza Pachulia then pulled a ref off of him that was trying to hold him back.

this stuff happens, yeah hes a bit of a cry baby but stop acting like these little physical confrontations are so much different than all the other ones we turn a blind eye to