wholesale clearing the bench

[rollie mass]

i hate that and don't think that is helping developement
,that was a nightmare exhibition by zeller, rozier, hunter last night
i like it when they blend players in that frantic play doesn't lead to good habits-

[pearljammer10]

Last night, Zeller looked like he has never played basketball before. He was miserable.

[danglertx]

When you are complaining about the bench clearing guys in your win, you know things are going well.

[rollie mass]

i'm sure that zellers play was disturbing to him after being benched for so long
zeller thrives in structure
i quess bench clearing with a few minutes of disjointed play but that was too long to play helter skelter-
i have a 5hr time difference, so it's after three in the morning,not fun getting overpowered with slop before going to bed

[jambr380]

When you are complaining about the bench clearing guys in your win, you know things are going well.

True, but I turned off the game with only a couple of minutes left last night and then saw that we only won by 16 - I assumed that it was a mistake and that it was 26. I am glad I didn't have to see whatever happened.

[SHAQATTACK]

Zeller play is trash .....no energy , no emotion , no sacrifice for team .  Amir is making Zeller worthless.

I still have hope for Lee ....he plays hard ,

[CelticPride2016]

Zeller play is trash .....no energy , no emotion , no sacrifice for team .  Amir is making Zeller worthless.

I still have hope for Lee ....he plays hard ,

I think Olynyk is the one making Zeller seem worthless. And I also believe Zeller will end up ahead of David Lee who has obviously decayed in the areas which made him a good player.

Or the league has passed by the Zeller's of the world who must either adapt or head for Europe/China if they want major minutes.

It is easy to scapegoat Zeller. It is more of a number crunch than that he has turned into a dud.

It's also the style of play. Zeller can't do what Olynyk and Lee can on offense. And Amir is simply a proven NBA big. And Sully is playing as well as he can. And Olynyk has shut up a lot of people especially with his better than expected improving defense.

If Lee doesn't improve, if he doesn't stop off at the Fountain of Youth soon, Zeller will be back in play. Or Jordan Mickey. Or we will approach the trade deadline and Danny will make moves.

The five man big rotation failed last year. I suppose Stevens had to play all five to whittle them down to four players (the Brandan Wright Era). Zeller is currently the odd man out, but I wouldn't make any assumptions about what that means long-term.

[rollie mass]

zeller played really well last year and his mid range was shot at a very high % but he is not a creative player and his flip hooks deadly when he gets ball in the right spot- this leads me to rj's pocket passes are they too low, they seem to get miss handled by the bigs or are they too quick and low- also kelly in one of the videos looked much quicker cutting off baseline move,

[CelticPride2016]

Isaiah went to Zeller. Tyler is not Mr. Creativity. He needs the kind of point guard who appreciates a tall guy who can catch a pass for an easy dunk or layup.

Zeller's defense is also underrated which means against certain centers, we will need him. Amir needs to be pampered. Olynyk and Sully seem to be working out better than expected from the last couple years.

Thankfully the coach is Stevens and not some of these fans who have already made up their minds about very young basketball players. I agree James Young is no good. Maybe he will snap out of it or somehow learn to play at the NBA level.

Otherwise, we have 14 guys who can help win games if one can be patient with some of their rookie mistakes or their getting mistreated by incompetent NBA refs.

[rollie mass]

i actually was worried that the celts defence becomes so good we start getting calls going the other way-or the opposite we get so known for aggressive d they don't whistle the celts for minor stuff- they got to let marcus play,boston and the league need young stars like him,rj didn't get a couple calls going to rim over a few games-rookie non calls-

[CelticPride2016]

Even Amir often looks like he is a year or two away from being a David Lee with rapidly diminishing impact. They are the veterans soothing the insecurities of players new to NBA life.

I was wrong about Mark Blount. I thought he would be a very good center. Maybe I am wrong about sticking up for Zeller. It just seems extremely cruel to start writing him off for what could be an early slump.

Rollie also pointed out weeks ago that starting him with David Lee put undue responsibility on Zeller for worse than expected starts to games.

This team needs time and faith on the part of fans.

You can't jump ship for a loss against the Pacers.

I predict no way on earth we lose to Brooklyn. We should not lose to Dallas.  So we should be 9-4 when we have the rematch with Atlanta. Add that to 24-12 from last year, and voile, that's 33-16. If I wasn't watching every game so far and only had this forum to go on, I'd think the Celtics are currently 4-6 and Stevens is all over the place like some of those Doc Rivers years.

[Evantime34]

What do you propose a team should do at the end of a blowout if not a wholesale clearing of the bench? The end of the bench guys play hard in practice and deserve a chance to play in a blowout.

Sure they played badly during that stretch but what is the alternative? Playing a starter or two minutes they don't need to be in on the second night of a back to back? Leaving all the starters out there?

[CelticPride2016]

A lot of times the game is moving too fast for refs. The "turnover" called on Olynyk for the in-bounds play was ridiculous.

I do like the New Jersey setup for instant replay. Though Gorman was getting a bit grouchy and wanted the game to resume. I think the league should fine or somehow penalize the Rocket for stepping all over Amir. He just got a technical? That's how brawls start.

Hunter is a lot smoother than Rozier, so I think he will get more of a pass from refs. Rozier is helter skelter, shades of a young Rondo, and refs don't know him.

That is a great point about Marcus being so skilled as a defender that it is paying off with refs. Marcus Smart is getting star calls for defense? He doesn't need that kind of help. I am also impressed with Smart's ball handling and drives to the hoop. Avery Bradley is probably the glue to go with Turner and Sully. Those are three guys who are absolutely helping us win games despite my throwing them under the bus at various times over the last couple years.

I don't think the C's are the #6 best team in the NBA. Maybe they are, but no one can predict the future. They do seem to be a top ten team. They just need to figure out the Indiana's and Toronto's, teams that have already proven they are not easy outs.

I could see the C's running the table against the worst teams, dominate mediocre ones, and steal a few from the elite. That translates to 50-55 wins. That translates to a top ten team.

Whether that translates into being a half decent threat in the playoffs, no one knows. For now, it appears that the C's are in a very nice spot. In two years, we went from the bottom of the barrel to the tier just below Cleveland. I no longer even fear Memphis. The Clipper games should be fun. The trading season could make us a threat, though I am hoping Danny doesn't make any hasty moves, like the rumor he was giving away the shop to Michael Jordan for one player Winslow.

[colincb]

When you are complaining about the bench clearing guys in your win, you know things are going well.

TP

[rollie mass]

tp for you but i disagree-last year marcus was a force as a rookie and got away with so much for a rookie that i think the word was out to let this kid play aggresive d-from usa camp on
i have never seen a rookie get the calls he did drawing charges,offensive fouls and on screens-the nba needs stars and he was a chosen one-just an opinion