Give Sully a 4 year 32 million deal?

[clover]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

I don't get that rationale. If a player has given his all for the team through his first contract (putting aside for the moment whether Sully has done that), shouldn't the team likewise pay a little more for that? Then, by my accounting, the two obligations cancel out--and you end up with the player getting a fair market price.

Has sully given his all from the start?

Now that his contract year is coming up and Danny hounding him to get into better shape, he finally has come in this season in decent shape.

I agree on that--he hasn't, and that's why I asked to put that aside for the sake of argument. If you're saying Sully was a bad employee for his first three years with the team and so should give the C's a do-over discount, however--I just don't think that's realistic. Especially with David Falk as his agent.

[Hemingway]

if the cap wasn't going up that 32 would be more realistic. Hard to wrap my mind around what guys are really worth now.

[danglertx]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense. 

[spikelovetheCelts]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense.

Sully Agent is Faulk. He wants the Max. We will have the right to match. Will another team offer the max is the only question for Sully? If he keeps play better this year a max offer is not out of the question.

[fairweatherfan]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense.

If we aren't interested in keeping him, especially on a high dollar contract?  And as a favor to David Falk, who we'll almost certainly be working with in the future.  We don't have to send out a press release for teams to understand our intentions.  I mean, do you think RFAs literally never switch teams unless the signing team is calling the original team's bluff?  These things do happen. 

[Lucky17]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense.

Sully Agent is Faulk. He wants the Max. We will have the right to match. Will another team offer the max is the only question for Sully? If he keeps play better this year a max offer is not out of the question.

This isn't necessarily so. Falk merely said that unless the Celtics were willing to give Sully a max extension, there was no reason for him to sign any deal before the October 31 deadline this season. Sully will play the market.

I don't think he'll get a max deal.

[danglertx]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense.

If we aren't interested in keeping him, especially on a high dollar contract?  And as a favor to David Falk, who we'll almost certainly be working with in the future.  We don't have to send out a press release for teams to understand our intentions.  I mean, do you think RFAs literally never switch teams unless the signing team is calling the original team's bluff?  These things do happen.

I'm sure there are teams who don't want to re-sign a player, or teams who just don't want a player at a certain price, however, most restricted free agents just end up re-signing with their original team.  Players get a reality check when they can't bring in the offer they thought they would get.

[fairweatherfan]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense.

If we aren't interested in keeping him, especially on a high dollar contract?  And as a favor to David Falk, who we'll almost certainly be working with in the future.  We don't have to send out a press release for teams to understand our intentions.  I mean, do you think RFAs literally never switch teams unless the signing team is calling the original team's bluff?  These things do happen.

I'm sure there are teams who don't want to re-sign a player, or teams who just don't want a player at a certain price, however, most restricted free agents just end up re-signing with their original team.  Players get a reality check when they can't bring in the offer they thought they would get.

Absolutely, I'm just saying I think we'll be in that first category with Sully.  I think we will weigh his play over the last few years much more than his improvement in the contract year. 

I could be wrong though, maybe we will keep him here.  But money is definitely going to be flying fast and furious this offseason; we will see some absolutely bonkers contracts before it's over.

[danglertx]

Whether we keep him or not, telling his agent what we wouldn't match is idiocy if we have any intention of keeping him.  Just the fact that we might match could keep formal offers away or lower them. 

I think anyone would agree, there is a price low enough that we would keep Sully so I don't think you'd tell the agent you have no interest at all.

[celtics24]

When you say Sully doesn't deserve 6m a year, that's when I know you will think anything is overpaying. His play every season is worth at least 10m given what other people get. Give him weight clauses or amount of games played bonuses but don't tell me Sully isn't worth 6m a year.

Thats exactly what I'm saying the disrespect Sully garners on here is absurd. Not worth 6m a year? Are you kidding me? If garbage bench players like Tristan Thompson getting 84mill sully should get at least 48m.

[kozlodoev]

This isn't necessarily so. Falk merely said that unless the Celtics were willing to give Sully a max extension, there was no reason for him to sign any deal before the October 31 deadline this season. Sully will play the market.

The maximum for a player of his tenure is a starting of $16.4 million for up to 4 years with 7.5% increases, which is about $73 million total, or an AAV of $18 million. That price is definitely not right.

[Moranis]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense.

If we aren't interested in keeping him, especially on a high dollar contract?  And as a favor to David Falk, who we'll almost certainly be working with in the future.  We don't have to send out a press release for teams to understand our intentions.  I mean, do you think RFAs literally never switch teams unless the signing team is calling the original team's bluff?  These things do happen.

I'm sure there are teams who don't want to re-sign a player, or teams who just don't want a player at a certain price, however, most restricted free agents just end up re-signing with their original team.  Players get a reality check when they can't bring in the offer they thought they would get.

Absolutely, I'm just saying I think we'll be in that first category with Sully.  I think we will weigh his play over the last few years much more than his improvement in the contract year. 

I could be wrong though, maybe we will keep him here.  But money is definitely going to be flying fast and furious this offseason; we will see some absolutely bonkers contracts before it's over.

Sully is hitting the outside shot at a better rate this year and he is down low a bit more (so he is getting slightly more rebounds), but he has basically been the same player the last 3 years with slight improvements along the way (which is what you would expect).  Sully hasn't taken a massive leap this year.  A bit more consistent and the shot is falling more, that is about it.

[Lucky17]

When you say Sully doesn't deserve 6m a year, that's when I know you will think anything is overpaying. His play every season is worth at least 10m given what other people get. Give him weight clauses or amount of games played bonuses but don't tell me Sully isn't worth 6m a year.

Thats exactly what I'm saying the disrespect Sully garners on here is absurd. Not worth 6m a year? Are you kidding me? If garbage bench players like Tristan Thompson getting 84mill sully should get at least 48m.

I think you're misinterpreting the comment: "not a $6 mil a year guy" means he doesn't think Sully will sign for that little.

[spikelovetheCelts]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

What possible reason would we have to make it clear we wouldn't match a high offer?  That makes no sense.

Sully Agent is Faulk. He wants the Max. We will have the right to match. Will another team offer the max is the only question for Sully? If he keeps play better this year a max offer is not out of the question.

This isn't necessarily so. Falk merely said that unless the Celtics were willing to give Sully a max extension, there was no reason for him to sign any deal before the October 31 deadline this season. Sully will play the market.

I don't think he'll get a max deal.

He won't get one from us. But some team with Money will give it to Sully if he keeps playing lije he has. We will have to match it if we want to keep him like Roy Hibbert and portland.

[SHAQATTACK]

I see no problem paying the guy ...if he keeps playing like he is

WHO you think can out rebound and play him ....that is going to LEAVE their present team......I want to,hear

I read negative comments but I see no guy out there available that can STEP INTO HIS SHOES .?

Do all the stuff he can do ........who other than Zbo ?  Blake Griffin an't coming .....Big Al is too old

I don't think people are stopping and thinking about getting rid of maybe the most skilled guy on the team.......SMH

Who is going to replace him.......anybody that we could get ....that produces as much .....WILL ....cost what Sully is gonna demand .

So......u less somebody knows of a star that will come to Boston in a trade for him ......then I don't see an issue with paying the guy his,price.

Long as he stays healthy and continues to play good ......you gotta pay the guy ...