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2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« on: November 16, 2015, 11:25:43 AM »

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I've been thinking about this question for a while and tried to hold off attempting to answer it until a little more time passed. Couldn't hold off after Smart's exciting night against OKC. The answer to this question will change over the next 3-5 years, but it's still interesting to gauge how teams did about 16 months after the 2014 draft.

Here's my top 10:

1) Andrew Wiggins -- still looking like a stud, still has some questions, not much has changed. Haven't been able to watch much TWolves games over the last 90 or so regular season games, but it seems like Wiggins is a more aggressive scorer at this stage than some thought he could be, while not quite the all-around player (rebounds, assists, etc.). My guess is once he learns how to tally 20 points in his sleep, things like his rebounding average will go up.

2) Jabari Parker -- Parker's stock should have probably sunk after an ACL injury in just his first season, but when Parker's played ball, he's looked good, and no other rookie besides Wiggins has performed consistently head and shoulders above Parker to justify ignoring Parker's still-existent franchise player potential.

3) Marcus Smart -- this is where things become really interesting. There's a lot of contenders behind Wiggins and Parker for the third slot, but none have really separated themselves from one another. Here's my reasoning: guys like Rodney Hood and Jordan Clarkson have been phenomenal in the box score, but both are two years older than Smart and the latter plays on a pathetic team that gives him greater opportunity to shine. Dante Exum is going to miss his entire sophomore campaign and already has the dreaded "injury-prone" tag. If he didn't go down, I'd probably put him here. Aaron Gordon looks really good this season, but he almost never saw the court last year and he's still playing suspiciously low minutes for a guy who has supposedly great potential playing on a bad team. Payton can fill up the stat sheet and, unlike most others, has played consistent minutes since day 1. But, it's been on a very bad team; additionally, without a jumper, he can only be so effective in today's NBA. It was a difficult choice between Smart and Jusuf Nurkic, but Nurkic's significant injury bumps him down a peg. Smart, meanwhile, has earned a starting position on a playoff team, is recognized around the league to be a game-changing defensive player, and his offense looks like it's ready to come around. He's a capable long range shooter and is starting to show some of that skill going to the hoop that we heard about so much after drafting him. The dream of him being a 3-5x All-Star and perennial DPOY candidate is not dead by any means. That alone earns him the 3rd spot.

4) Jusuf Nurkic - going a bit out on a limb here to make things interesting. This kid's only 21 and has shown the ability to be a force on the boards and on the defensive side of the ball at the 5 spot. He has a lot of offensive skills too, and had some impressive nights on the offensive end. We'll see what he can do at full health.

5) Aaron Gordon -- Matrix-esque potential, but his offensive ability outside the paint is limited. So far his incredible ball-handling skills for a player his size haven't paid off. He's still young -- a bit younger than Smart, even -- but it's unclear if he's going to be Andrei Kirilenko or Shawn Marion. The former is still a great player to have -- even if you spend the #4 pick getting him -- but Gordon has some work to do in order to evolve into the elite talent some believe he can be. Again, accounting for Scott Skiles being Orlando's coach, I still don't understand why Gordon isn't playing more.

6) Dante Exum -- not much to say. Looked really good over the summer, earned the starting job last year (with defensive ability that was not talked about much before the draft), poised to take the next step. Just needs to get healthy.

7) Elfrid Payton -- young, starting, producing. So what's the problem? The same that kept Rondo from ever taking that final leap into top 5 player status, and one that made his recovery from ACL surgery incredibly difficult without being able to rely on his usual breathtaking athleticism: a jumper. Now, if Payton could ever become the player Rondo was in his prime, that's still worthy of being picked in the top 3. The trick? Reversing NBA trends back 5-6 years when a jumper wasn't as critical, and, surrounding himself with three future HOFs and one of the NBA's best low post defenders.

8 ) Rodney Hood -- I really like Hood, but he's 23. He's probably got 1-2 years left of growth left in him before he is what he is. Still, no one in Utah is complaining about adding a Luol Deng type on the wing with a better jump shot by using a non-lotto pick.

9) Jordan Clarkson -- probably going to catch heat from the "objective" crowd for putting Clarkson this low, but this seems fair to me. Got a lot of hype last year because he was the only thing Laker fans could cheer for. Tremendous ability to score the basketball and has versatile size, but there's not much else to love. He's a poor distributor with a terrible A/TO ratio, doesn't rebound the ball well for his size, and he's old for his class -- 23. Still gotta hand it to the Fakers for getting a really good player with the 46th pick.

10) Julius Randle -- this one was tough. Again getting a lot of hype because he's a Laker, which positively (for the Lakers) distorts the average fan's perception of him (tough not to think he's going to be a star when Dirk says he's going to be). Tons of offensive skills -- already one of the better distributing big men in the league -- and can hold his own on the boards. Not too worried about his shooting... most rookies don't shoot all that efficiently their first time around the block. But his defense is very concerning and the injury red flag he came into the league with is probably even more red after suffering a season-ending injury in just his first year. Still young -- 6 months younger than Smart -- so his potential earns him a temporary stay in the top 10.

Honorable mentions: McDermott, LaVine, TJ Warren, Gary Harris, Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanovic

Guys who could have more of a say in this conversation 2-3 years from now: the honorable mentions + Embiid, Noah Vonleh, Dario Saric, James Young, Tyler Ennis, Bruno Caboclo, Mitch McGary, Nikola Jokic

Others whose stocks have risen but will probably never crack the top 10: Shabazz Napier, Kyle Anderson, KJ McDaniels, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson III, Markel Brown Dwight Powell.

What's your top ten?
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Re: 2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2015, 12:09:01 PM »

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Bump, because I spent way too much distracting myself from work to watch this thread slip into an abyss of cast-aside CB posts.

Follow-up question: Who, at this point, can feel the best about their job in the 2014 Draft? Denver and Utah are neck and neck for me. They didn't fleece Chicago trading #11 for #16 + #19 as McDermott is a fine player with the potential to evolve into a very good player, but to nab Nurkic and Harris by using a single late lotto pick is impressive. Don't sleep on Harris. He's playing for a competitive Nuggets team and still has legit "taller Avery Bradley" potential. Utah, while obviously disappointed in Exum's injury, can't feel too bad about the way he's played. To console them in his temporary absence, they have Rodney Hood, one of the distinguished 1st round steals.

I think Philly has to come away feeling pretty terrible. Netting Embiid and Saric -- who seems totally turned off by the idea of playing for the Sixers -- is somewhat of a depressing return for an entirely wasted season. Sacramento flopped as usual with Stauskas. Charlotte can't feel all that great either. Batum is a fine player, but I'm sure they were hoping to nab a dark-horse All-Star with their late lotto pick. They gave up on Vonleh in a year. That's not all that exciting.


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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2015, 12:22:06 PM »

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I think I would have Randle at 4, 5 or 6. I think he has shown more than Gordon, and Payton while Nurkic and Exum are hurt by their injuries.

Good call on Gary Harris as an honorable mention. I think he's played pretty well this year including some really good defense and 40% shooting from 3.
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Re: 2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015, 12:32:33 PM »

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Kind of early for me on this one - especially given the injury plague this draft class had in year 1. I like what we walked away with from pick #6 so far though.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2015, 12:39:48 PM »

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I think I would have Randle at 4, 5 or 6. I think he has shown more than Gordon, and Payton while Nurkic and Exum are hurt by their injuries.

Good call on Gary Harris as an honorable mention. I think he's played pretty well this year including some really good defense and 40% shooting from 3.

I don't get all this love for Randle. In 29 minutes on a bit over 10 shots a night (0.0-0.3 on threes), Randle is averaging 11 points, 8 and a half rebounds, and 2.7 assists per game. That's good enough for a PER of 11.81, an offensive rating of 89, -0.2 win shares, and -3.7 offensive box +/-. Those are really bad advanced offensive statistics and he's playing on a fat tank of a team that faces demotivated opponents on a more frequent basis than, say, Boston would, and gives him more shots on offense than the vast majority of the league's teams would. He's bad on the defensive end, but actually probably better than people think if he continues his 1 steal a game average. In addition to all of this, Randle came into the league flagged after having surgery on his foot before the draft. Then in his first game he broke the leg attached to the same foot that needed surgery.

Don't see how that type of prospect right now has shown more than Gordon (healthy, efficient offensively for player his age, very good rebounder for a "swing," better-than-thought-to-be free throw shooter, and impressive defensively) or Payton (healthy; here's what ESPN SPIN said: "Payton's defense is what makes him a potential foundational piece. Real plus-minus (RPM) placed him as the ninth-most impactful point guard defender in the NBA, which is an exceptional start to his career. Opposing point guards loathe going against this guy already. Not a bad weapon to have if you can't shoot.").

Harris has two roadblocks this season: the Nuggets getting caught up in the "Screw it, I wanna try to make the playoffs this season!" frenzy, and Will Barton. He'll have to be more productive offensively if those neither of the two slow down in Harris' favor. But in terms of being a prospect, Harris is a terrific prospect relative to the draft tier (15-19 range) he was picked in, with the potential to contribute right now.

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Re: 2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2015, 12:43:01 PM »

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Wiggins -- clear cut #1 so far
Jabari -- knee injury or not, still looks really good

Then we take a clear step down ....

Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Zach Lavine, Julius Randle, Dante Exum, Saric


I think you can make an argument for any order here, with Exum sticking around because he's still super young,  Saric in the mix because he remains a mystery box, and Lavine moving up because he's an uber athletic scorer who appears to have a legitimate jumpshot.


After that, we take another step down.


Clarkson, Payton, Nurkic, McDermott, Warren, Hood, Stauskas, Harris, Capela


Here we have the land of role players with starter potential.  Again, make your argument for any order.  Some of these guys struggled as rookies but are showing some stuff in their second seasons -- not exactly a surprise.  Credit to Jordan Clarkson for standing out as a second round guy who clearly was under-appreciated on draft night.

Finally, I'd list a few guys who I think would get taken toward the end of the lottery / late teens because of potential.

Embiid, Young, Vonleh, Caboclo, McDaniels

Any order you like there.  None has really showed enough to make you certain they will ever make it in the NBA, but you gotta like the physical tools.

Every draft has a group of guys like this who get taken way too high because teams fall in love with measurables and dream about what might happen if a couple highlight plays here and there turned into a regular thing; or, they just overlook major medical red flags and hope for the best.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2015, 12:43:48 PM »

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I've been thinking about this question for a while and tried to hold off attempting to answer it until a little more time passed. Couldn't hold off after Smart's exciting night against OKC. The answer to this question will change over the next 3-5 years, but it's still interesting to gauge how teams did about 16 months after the 2014 draft.

Here's my top 10:

1) Andrew Wiggins -- still looking like a stud, still has some questions, not much has changed. Haven't been able to watch much TWolves games over the last 90 or so regular season games, but it seems like Wiggins is a more aggressive scorer at this stage than some thought he could be, while not quite the all-around player (rebounds, assists, etc.). My guess is once he learns how to tally 20 points in his sleep, things like his rebounding average will go up.

2) Jabari Parker -- Parker's stock should have probably sunk after an ACL injury in just his first season, but when Parker's played ball, he's looked good, and no other rookie besides Wiggins has performed consistently head and shoulders above Parker to justify ignoring Parker's still-existent franchise player potential.

3) Marcus Smart -- this is where things become really interesting. There's a lot of contenders behind Wiggins and Parker for the third slot, but none have really separated themselves from one another. Here's my reasoning: guys like Rodney Hood and Jordan Clarkson have been phenomenal in the box score, but both are two years older than Smart and the latter plays on a pathetic team that gives him greater opportunity to shine. Dante Exum is going to miss his entire sophomore campaign and already has the dreaded "injury-prone" tag. If he didn't go down, I'd probably put him here. Aaron Gordon looks really good this season, but he almost never saw the court last year and he's still playing suspiciously low minutes for a guy who has supposedly great potential playing on a bad team. Payton can fill up the stat sheet and, unlike most others, has played consistent minutes since day 1. But, it's been on a very bad team; additionally, without a jumper, he can only be so effective in today's NBA. It was a difficult choice between Smart and Jusuf Nurkic, but Nurkic's significant injury bumps him down a peg. Smart, meanwhile, has earned a starting position on a playoff team, is recognized around the league to be a game-changing defensive player, and his offense looks like it's ready to come around. He's a capable long range shooter and is starting to show some of that skill going to the hoop that we heard about so much after drafting him. The dream of him being a 3-5x All-Star and perennial DPOY candidate is not dead by any means. That alone earns him the 3rd spot.

4) Jusuf Nurkic - going a bit out on a limb here to make things interesting. This kid's only 21 and has shown the ability to be a force on the boards and on the defensive side of the ball at the 5 spot. He has a lot of offensive skills too, and had some impressive nights on the offensive end. We'll see what he can do at full health.

5) Aaron Gordon -- Matrix-esque potential, but his offensive ability outside the paint is limited. So far his incredible ball-handling skills for a player his size haven't paid off. He's still young -- a bit younger than Smart, even -- but it's unclear if he's going to be Andrei Kirilenko or Shawn Marion. The former is still a great player to have -- even if you spend the #4 pick getting him -- but Gordon has some work to do in order to evolve into the elite talent some believe he can be. Again, accounting for Scott Skiles being Orlando's coach, I still don't understand why Gordon isn't playing more.

6) Dante Exum -- not much to say. Looked really good over the summer, earned the starting job last year (with defensive ability that was not talked about much before the draft), poised to take the next step. Just needs to get healthy.

7) Elfrid Payton -- young, starting, producing. So what's the problem? The same that kept Rondo from ever taking that final leap into top 5 player status, and one that made his recovery from ACL surgery incredibly difficult without being able to rely on his usual breathtaking athleticism: a jumper. Now, if Payton could ever become the player Rondo was in his prime, that's still worthy of being picked in the top 3. The trick? Reversing NBA trends back 5-6 years when a jumper wasn't as critical, and, surrounding himself with three future HOFs and one of the NBA's best low post defenders.

8 ) Rodney Hood -- I really like Hood, but he's 23. He's probably got 1-2 years left of growth left in him before he is what he is. Still, no one in Utah is complaining about adding a Luol Deng type on the wing with a better jump shot by using a non-lotto pick.

9) Jordan Clarkson -- probably going to catch heat from the "objective" crowd for putting Clarkson this low, but this seems fair to me. Got a lot of hype last year because he was the only thing Laker fans could cheer for. Tremendous ability to score the basketball and has versatile size, but there's not much else to love. He's a poor distributor with a terrible A/TO ratio, doesn't rebound the ball well for his size, and he's old for his class -- 23. Still gotta hand it to the Fakers for getting a really good player with the 46th pick.

10) Julius Randle -- this one was tough. Again getting a lot of hype because he's a Laker, which positively (for the Lakers) distorts the average fan's perception of him (tough not to think he's going to be a star when Dirk says he's going to be). Tons of offensive skills -- already one of the better distributing big men in the league -- and can hold his own on the boards. Not too worried about his shooting... most rookies don't shoot all that efficiently their first time around the block. But his defense is very concerning and the injury red flag he came into the league with is probably even more red after suffering a season-ending injury in just his first year. Still young -- 6 months younger than Smart -- so his potential earns him a temporary stay in the top 10.

Honorable mentions: McDermott, LaVine, TJ Warren, Gary Harris, Clint Capela, Bogdan Bogdanovic

Guys who could have more of a say in this conversation 2-3 years from now: the honorable mentions + Embiid, Noah Vonleh, Dario Saric, James Young, Tyler Ennis, Bruno Caboclo, Mitch McGary, Nikola Jokic

Others whose stocks have risen but will probably never crack the top 10: Shabazz Napier, Kyle Anderson, KJ McDaniels, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson III, Markel Brown Dwight Powell.

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Re: 2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2015, 12:45:34 PM »

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I'd say the T-Wolves got the best haul out of this draft, no doubt about it, though Wiggins wasn't "their" pick, exactly.

The Sixers definitely flopped this draft, considering Embiid would probably be at best a late lottery pick now based entirely on potential, and McDaniels isn't even on their team.

Then again, we've yet to see Saric, and if he turns into one of the best 5 or 6 players from this draft, it won't look so bad for them. 

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I think I would have Randle at 4, 5 or 6. I think he has shown more than Gordon, and Payton while Nurkic and Exum are hurt by their injuries.

Good call on Gary Harris as an honorable mention. I think he's played pretty well this year including some really good defense and 40% shooting from 3.

I don't get all this love for Randle. In 29 minutes on a bit over 10 shots a night (0.0-0.3 on threes), Randle is averaging 11 points, 8 and a half rebounds, and 2.7 assists per game. That's good enough for a PER of 11.81, an offensive rating of 89, -0.2 win shares, and -3.7 offensive box +/-. Those are really bad advanced offensive statistics and he's playing on a fat tank of a team that faces demotivated opponents on a more frequent basis than, say, Boston would, and gives him more shots on offense than the vast majority of the league's teams would. He's bad on the defensive end, but actually probably better than people think if he continues his 1 steal a game average. In addition to all of this, Randle came into the league flagged after having surgery on his foot before the draft. Then in his first game he broke the leg attached to the same foot that needed surgery.

Don't see how that type of prospect right now has shown more than Gordon (healthy, efficient offensively for player his age, very good rebounder for a "swing," better-than-thought-to-be free throw shooter, and impressive defensively) or Payton (healthy; here's what ESPN SPIN said: "Payton's defense is what makes him a potential foundational piece. Real plus-minus (RPM) placed him as the ninth-most impactful point guard defender in the NBA, which is an exceptional start to his career. Opposing point guards loathe going against this guy already. Not a bad weapon to have if you can't shoot.").

Harris has two roadblocks this season: the Nuggets getting caught up in the "Screw it, I wanna try to make the playoffs this season!" frenzy, and Will Barton. He'll have to be more productive offensively if those neither of the two slow down in Harris' favor. But in terms of being a prospect, Harris is a terrific prospect relative to the draft tier (15-19 range) he was picked in, with the potential to contribute right now.

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The love for Randle comes from the flashes he has shown in what is essentially his rookie year on a team that has set him up to fail by who is playing around him. He has shown the ability to create, handle the ball and rebound even if they have only been for short spurts.

Payton hasn't been that great this year. His lack of shooting really hurts their ability to space the floor and score on offense. They are -6.6 per 100 possessions with him on the court and +8.6 per 100 when he is on the bench so far.
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Re: 2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2015, 12:58:13 PM »

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You know.... what do we really know about Embiid right now? Are you sure he doesn't still go in the top 10?

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2015, 01:00:09 PM »

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Wiggins -- clear cut #1 so far
Jabari -- knee injury or not, still looks really good

Then we take a clear step down ....

Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Zach Lavine, Julius Randle, Dante Exum, Saric


I think you can make an argument for any order here, with Exum sticking around because he's still super young,  Saric in the mix because he remains a mystery box, and Lavine moving up because he's an uber athletic scorer who appears to have a legitimate jumpshot.


After that, we take another step down.


Clarkson, Payton, Nurkic, McDermott, Warren, Hood, Stauskas, Harris, Capela


Here we have the land of role players with starter potential.  Again, make your argument for any order.  Some of these guys struggled as rookies but are showing some stuff in their second seasons -- not exactly a surprise.  Credit to Jordan Clarkson for standing out as a second round guy who clearly was under-appreciated on draft night.

Finally, I'd list a few guys who I think would get taken toward the end of the lottery / late teens because of potential.

Embiid, Young, Vonleh, Caboclo, McDaniels

Any order you like there.  None has really showed enough to make you certain they will ever make it in the NBA, but you gotta like the physical tools.

Every draft has a group of guys like this who get taken way too high because teams fall in love with measurables and dream about what might happen if a couple highlight plays here and there turned into a regular thing; or, they just overlook major medical red flags and hope for the best.

I like the grouping at number three, but I think Smart is clear-cut the number 3 spot alone. He's the only one making regular contributions (on both sides of the ball) in big minutes on a good team. Honestly, I might even give Randle the number 4 spot alone, too, and I'd put the rest in a tie for number 5.

EDIT: I'd also put Capela and Payton at the number 5 grouping, too, maybe even Nurkic.
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2015, 01:12:21 PM »

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I like the grouping at number three, but I think Smart is clear-cut the number 3 spot alone. He's the only one making regular contributions (on both sides of the ball) in big minutes on a good team. Honestly, I might even give Randle the number 4 spot alone, too, and I'd put the rest in a tie for number 5.

EDIT: I'd also put Capela and Payton at the number 5 grouping, too, maybe even Nurkic.

Based on what the players have done so far, I agree with you about Smart and Randle.

The draft, though, is not just about what the players are doing for teams right now.  That's why I think Aaron Gordon, Exum, and Saric would still merit consideration for some teams ahead of Smart and Randle.   Lavine is not very good at running an offense, and his defense is still a big problem, but I think teams would have trouble passing up his combination of scoring and athleticism.


As for Capela, Payton, and Nurkic, I just haven't seen enough from them to be convinced their potential is higher than "capable starter."  I admit I haven't spent a lot of time watching those guys, though.  Capela in particular is producing well when he gets minutes, but the Rockets haven't exactly been great with him starting. 

You're totally right that there's an argument to be made for those guys, however.


Bottom line, it's still really early to make any major conclusions about the 2014 draft, aside from that Embiid was a bad #3 pick just based on the fact that we don't know when, if at all, he'll ever play, and Lavine, Clarkson, and maybe Capela were the most underrated picks.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2015, 01:13:10 PM »

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Honorable mentions.

Clarkson, Payton, Nurkic, McDermott, Warren, Hood, Stauskas, Harris, Capela


Here we have the land of role players with starter potential.  Again, make your argument for any order.

I think the ceilings of Hood and Nurkic particularly are higher than that of plain starter. Hood is a silky smooth shooter who can finish inside and has defensive potential his athletic ability and size. Nurkic is more athletic than initially thought to be and has all the skills he was advertised to have. Definitely hurt by the injury. I still think he'll do better than "starter."

The love for Randle comes from the flashes he has shown in what is essentially his rookie year on a team that has set him up to fail by who is playing around him. He has shown the ability to create, handle the ball and rebound even if they have only been for short spurts.

Payton hasn't been that great this year. His lack of shooting really hurts their ability to space the floor and score on offense. They are -6.6 per 100 possessions with him on the court and +8.6 per 100 when he is on the bench so far.

Sure, there are tons of guys from this draft who have shown ability in short spurts, especially on bad teams. But there are a number who are just as young that have earned starting or significant roles on better teams and exhibited some consistency. I think the "what if" factor is overrated. Sure, if you're choosing between a known 22-year old with a predictable skillset and an unknown 19-year old with a unique skill set, it gets more complicated. But I would be shocked if a GM chose Randle, knowing of his significant injury history and defensive issues, over Smart/Exum/Gordon/Payton who have had an equally impressive defensive impact as Randle's offense has and have exhibited other intangibles over a greater set of NBA games.

I like the grouping at number three, but I think Smart is clear-cut the number 3 spot alone. He's the only one making regular contributions (on both sides of the ball) in big minutes on a good team. Honestly, I might even give Randle the number 4 spot alone, too, and I'd put the rest in a tie for number 5.

EDIT: I'd also put Capela and Payton at the number 5 grouping, too, maybe even Nurkic.

Can't fathom any team taking Randle over Exum. Exum looked a lot better this summer offensively and still has all the tools on offense that made him initially tantalizing; on top of all that, he's arrived defensively sooner than most thought. He was the starter for a Jazz team that made a playoff push just as inspiring as ours was, only they played in the Western Conference. He will sit out this year, while Randle sat out last year, with a more concerning injury history.


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Re: 2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2015, 01:17:04 PM »

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Where is lavine??

Honorable mentions.

Clarkson, Payton, Nurkic, McDermott, Warren, Hood, Stauskas, Harris, Capela


Here we have the land of role players with starter potential.  Again, make your argument for any order.

I think the ceilings of Hood and Nurkic particularly are higher than that of plain starter. Hood is a silky smooth shooter who can finish inside and has defensive potential his athletic ability and size. Nurkic is more athletic than initially thought to be and has all the skills he was advertised to have. Definitely hurt by the injury. I still think he'll do better than "starter."

The love for Randle comes from the flashes he has shown in what is essentially his rookie year on a team that has set him up to fail by who is playing around him. He has shown the ability to create, handle the ball and rebound even if they have only been for short spurts.

Payton hasn't been that great this year. His lack of shooting really hurts their ability to space the floor and score on offense. They are -6.6 per 100 possessions with him on the court and +8.6 per 100 when he is on the bench so far.

Sure, there are tons of guys from this draft who have shown ability in short spurts, especially on bad teams. But there are a number who are just as young that have earned starting or significant roles on better teams and exhibited some consistency. I think the "what if" factor is overrated. Sure, if you're choosing between a known 22-year old with a predictable skillset and an unknown 19-year old with a unique skill set, it gets more complicated. But I would be shocked if a GM chose Randle, knowing of his significant injury history and defensive issues, over Smart/Exum/Gordon/Payton who have had an equally impressive defensive impact as Randle's offense has and have exhibited other intangibles over a greater set of NBA games.
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Lavine is top 10 in my books. Look at his stats this year so far

Re: 2014 Re-Draft: The Top Ten
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2015, 01:27:16 PM »

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1. Wiggins
2. Smart
3. Randle
4. Nurkic
5. Lavine
6. Clarkson
7. Peyton
8. Exum
9. Gordon
10. Parker
11. Powell