Who would you rather have for the next 10 years Brad or DMC

[wdleehi]

No knuckleheads.

A really hard feet to pull off in modern sports. 


Well actually, in sports at all.   The media is much more likely to report knuckleheadesness now then then. 

[LilRip]

See Pop and the success the Spurs have had....

The Spurs have this guy called Duncan.  Maybe you have heard of him.

I heard they also had this David Robinson guy, and a few scrubs called Sean Elliot, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobilli and Kawhi Leonard.

Allegedly.

Those guys are so overrated. Pop coached all of those guys to championships and allstar appearances. If Sully was coached by Pop, we'd be talking about how he's the greatest power forward of his generation, not of one of the fattest.

[KG Living Legend]

I would argue that it's harder to find a coach like Stevens than it is top talent. Now when you factor in the bad body language, constant sulking, and overall attitude of Cousins, it's simply a no brainer.

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree.

Look at the teams who have one championships in the past 10 years.  How many of those teams had what would have been considered top tier coaches?  I can really only name one, that being the Spurs.

How many of those teams had top tier players?  Pretty much every one of them.

You can get to the finals if your head coach is merely 'pretty good', but it is nigh on impossible to make the NBA finals if your best player is merely 'pretty good'.

The Celtics won a title with a fresh big three and Doc Rivers as a coach.  When they had a less fresh big three and still had Doc Rivers as a coach in their final year, they missed the playoffs. 

A coach can only do so much.

Plus when you have a player as elite as Cousins, then even if it doesn't work out personality wise, there will always be other teams will to throw the world at you to get him in a trade.  Superstar players have huge value as trade assets, at the very least.  Dwight Howard has a terrible injury history and is a 10x bigger idiot than Cousins is, yet if Houston wanted to trade him now he would still bring a huge return.

Jordan and Kobe are almost famous for being terrible to work with and making life hell for other players, and yet they also have something like 9 championships between them. 

Likewise Lebron has displayed had bad body language, constant sulking and poor general attitude since the day he got into the NBA, and he has 3 championships to show for it.  Who do you think was the biggest reason for those titles - Lebron or Spolestra?

Edit. Lebron has only two rings and five appearances.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I would argue that it's harder to find a coach like Stevens than it is top talent. Now when you factor in the bad body language, constant sulking, and overall attitude of Cousins, it's simply a no brainer.

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree.

Look at the teams who have one championships in the past 10 years.  How many of those teams had what would have been considered top tier coaches?  I can really only name one, that being the Spurs.

How many of those teams had top tier players?  Pretty much every one of them.

You can get to the finals if your head coach is merely 'pretty good', but it is nigh on impossible to make the NBA finals if your best player is merely 'pretty good'.

The Celtics won a title with a fresh big three and Doc Rivers as a coach.  When they had a less fresh big three and still had Doc Rivers as a coach in their final year, they missed the playoffs. 

A coach can only do so much.

Plus when you have a player as elite as Cousins, then even if it doesn't work out personality wise, there will always be other teams will to throw the world at you to get him in a trade.  Superstar players have huge value as trade assets, at the very least.  Dwight Howard has a terrible injury history and is a 10x bigger idiot than Cousins is, yet if Houston wanted to trade him now he would still bring a huge return.

Jordan and Kobe are almost famous for being terrible to work with and making life hell for other players, and yet they also have something like 9 championships between them. 

Likewise Lebron has displayed had bad body language, constant sulking and poor general attitude since the day he got into the NBA, and he has 3 championships to show for it.  Who do you think was the biggest reason for those titles - Lebron or Spolestra?

Edit. Lebron has only two rings and five appearances.

Kobe has 5 rings and Jordan has 6= 11.

[Eddie20]

I would argue that it's harder to find a coach like Stevens than it is top talent. Now when you factor in the bad body language, constant sulking, and overall attitude of Cousins, it's simply a no brainer.

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree.

Look at the teams who have one championships in the past 10 years.  How many of those teams had what would have been considered top tier coaches?  I can really only name one, that being the Spurs.

How many of those teams had top tier players?  Pretty much every one of them.

You can get to the finals if your head coach is merely 'pretty good', but it is nigh on impossible to make the NBA finals if your best player is merely 'pretty good'.

The Celtics won a title with a fresh big three and Doc Rivers as a coach.  When they had a less fresh big three and still had Doc Rivers as a coach in their final year, they missed the playoffs. 

A coach can only do so much.

Plus when you have a player as elite as Cousins, then even if it doesn't work out personality wise, there will always be other teams will to throw the world at you to get him in a trade.  Superstar players have huge value as trade assets, at the very least.  Dwight Howard has a terrible injury history and is a 10x bigger idiot than Cousins is, yet if Houston wanted to trade him now he would still bring a huge return.

Jordan and Kobe are almost famous for being terrible to work with and making life hell for other players, and yet they also have something like 9 championships between them. 

Likewise Lebron has displayed had bad body language, constant sulking and poor general attitude since the day he got into the NBA, and he has 3 championships to show for it.  Who do you think was the biggest reason for those titles - Lebron or Spolestra?

Edit. Lebron has only two rings and five appearances.

Kobe has 5 rings and Jordan has 6= 11.

So now Cousins is being spoken about alongside names like LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, etc? Funny stuff. Those guys are all time greats, Cousins is clearly not. Cousins also hasn't showed an ability to win at this level and has had issues with every coach save one. So I would choose Stevens over Cousins, like I would choose Pop over Jermaine O'Neal (a much better comparison in terms of talent), but I would pick an all time great player over any coach any day.

[dreamgreen]

I would argue that it's harder to find a coach like Stevens than it is top talent. Now when you factor in the bad body language, constant sulking, and overall attitude of Cousins, it's simply a no brainer.

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree.

Look at the teams who have one championships in the past 10 years.  How many of those teams had what would have been considered top tier coaches?  I can really only name one, that being the Spurs.

How many of those teams had top tier players?  Pretty much every one of them.

You can get to the finals if your head coach is merely 'pretty good', but it is nigh on impossible to make the NBA finals if your best player is merely 'pretty good'.

The Celtics won a title with a fresh big three and Doc Rivers as a coach.  When they had a less fresh big three and still had Doc Rivers as a coach in their final year, they missed the playoffs. 

A coach can only do so much.

Plus when you have a player as elite as Cousins, then even if it doesn't work out personality wise, there will always be other teams will to throw the world at you to get him in a trade.  Superstar players have huge value as trade assets, at the very least.  Dwight Howard has a terrible injury history and is a 10x bigger idiot than Cousins is, yet if Houston wanted to trade him now he would still bring a huge return.

Jordan and Kobe are almost famous for being terrible to work with and making life hell for other players, and yet they also have something like 9 championships between them. 

Likewise Lebron has displayed had bad body language, constant sulking and poor general attitude since the day he got into the NBA, and he has 3 championships to show for it.  Who do you think was the biggest reason for those titles - Lebron or Spolestra?

Edit. Lebron has only two rings and five appearances.

Kobe has 5 rings and Jordan has 6= 11.

So now Cousins is being spoken about alongside names like LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, etc? Funny stuff. Those guys are all time greats, Cousins is clearly not. Cousins also hasn't showed an ability to win at this level and has had issues with every coach save one. So I would choose Stevens over Cousins, like I would choose Pop over Jermaine O'Neal (a much better comparison in terms of talent), but I would pick an all time great player over any coach any day.

What Eddie said.

[Celtics4ever]

I think they chances that DMC is traded is small and this is overblown.

I would take CBS, personally but I like Coach Stevens a lot.

[Eddie20]

These are the kind of things Cousins does that will just drive you crazy....

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2317223-kings-demarcus-cousins-stands-still-during-possession-vs-timberwolves

[KGs Knee]

So now Cousins is being spoken about alongside names like LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, etc? Funny stuff.

It's no more ridiculous than comparing Stevens to Popovich.

At least with Cousins he's achieved a level of individual success that merits comparison to some all time greats. Remind me again what Stevens has accomplished that is so special.

Fact is, superstar talent is always more important than any coach. You can win a championship without a 'star' coach, the same cannot be said about 'star' players.


But as someone else pointed out in this thread, this is a rather pointless debate. There is no good reason the Celsius should ever have to make such a choice.

[Eddie20]

So now Cousins is being spoken about alongside names like LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, etc? Funny stuff.

It's no more ridiculous than comparing Stevens to Popovich.

At least with Cousins he's achieved a level of individual success that merits comparison to some all time greats. Remind me again what Stevens has accomplished that is so special.

Fact is, superstar talent is always more important than any coach. You can win a championship without a 'star' coach, the same cannot be said about 'star' players.

Stevens is quickly ascending as a coach. Everyone marvels at how smart he is and how he's a great communicator. When you factor his age with his current talent as a coach it would be pretty reasonable to think that he has all the potential to be an all-time great coach. The type of coach that gets the best out of players, that builds a winning a culture, and one that players simply want to play for.

Is Cousins the superstar you describe? Not sure if 1 all-star appearance, no playoff appearances, and 0 all-NBA team selections qualifies him as a superstar.

[KGs Knee]

Cousins has achieved far more success than Stevens has. This cannot be debated.

Stevens guiding a mediocre team to a first round sweep as the 8th seed in a pathetically weak Eastern Conference is not particularly impressive.

Watch the Kings game from last night. The things Cousins can do on a basketball court are things I have never seen any man his size be able to do in the history of the game. I'm not saying he is on the level of any HOFers mentioned above, but he is quickly on his way to being an all-time great if he keeps playing like this.

No coach in the world is worth that amount of talent.

[Eddie20]

Cousins has achieved far more success than Stevens has. This cannot be debated.

Stevens guiding a mediocre team to a first round sweep as the 8th seed in a pathetically weak Eastern Conference is not particularly impressive.

Watch the Kings game from last night. The things Cousins can do on a basketball court are things I have never seen any man his size be able to do in the history of the game. I'm not saying he is on the level of any HOFers mentioned above, but he is quickly on his way to being an all-time great if he keeps playing like this.

No coach in the world is worth that amount of talent.

7th seed actually. In a season where they were expected to be really bad. So in 2 seasons Stevens has had more team success, than Cousins has had in 5. Numbers are great and he is talented, but he hurts his teams a lot too. He's a lot like Sheed, talented, but you never know when he feels like playing.

[KGs Knee]

8th seed, 7th seed, makes no difference. The team had a losing record and was swept in the first round. Stevens has a losing record overall as a head coach. That isn't really something to brag about.

Look, I like Stevens as a head coach, I think he has a bright future. But professional basketball is about the players far more than it is the coaches. The greatest coach in the world won't win squat without superstar talent. But on the other hand, there have been more than a few mediocre coaches that have won NBA titles.

[Eddie20]

8th seed, 7th seed, makes no difference. The team had a losing record and was swept in the first round. Stevens has a losing record overall as a head coach. That isn't really something to brag about.

Look, I like Stevens as a head coach, I think he has a bright future. But professional basketball is about the players far more than it is the coaches. The greatest coach in the world won't win squat without superstar talent. But on the other hand, there have been more than a few mediocre coaches that have won NBA titles.

Right they were swept, but let's just forget all the games were close against a Cavs teams that actually had Love and Kyrie.

Cousins isn't a superstar though. He's a stats on a bad team guy. A player that doesn't seem to handle adversity well. Not exactly the type of guy you'll trust in big game situations. When you watch him consistently you'll see things like him not hustling on defense, not rotating on d, being late on rotations, trying to go coast to coast far too often, which usually results in a turnover, the sulking, the complaining, the lack of effort, etc. Easy to see why he has had issues with the majority of his coaches, and criticism from those not just looking at the box score.

[MBunge]

Cousins has achieved far more success than Stevens has. This cannot be debated.

That is flat nonsense.  In less than three seasons, Stevens has already had greater success in the NBA than Cousins has in more time.  Stevens also clearly achieved more in college than Cousins.

Do you understand what "success" actually means?

Mike