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Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2016, 10:36:39 PM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...

Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2016, 10:48:09 PM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...
hmmm....i wonder if playing on a crappy team as opposed to coming off the bench of a good, deep team could in any way factor into all this?
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Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2016, 10:49:30 PM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...

Randle has a lot of improvement left defensively. Smart has a lot left offensively, that's all we know at the moment really. Celtics play unrecognizably different style than what they did at Oklahoma with Marcus.
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Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2016, 10:50:21 PM »

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I think a lot of people, like myself, are concerned, but they also have hope he can turn things around. I'm definitely concerned. I've gone as far as saying rozier is a better pg than smart (in the heat of the thunder blowout, of course). But as I said, I still am optimistic. I think if he gets serious on the ball time he will get better, more comfortable driving, etc
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2016, 10:52:04 PM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...
hmmm....i wonder if playing on a crappy team as opposed to coming off the bench of a good, deep team could in any way factor into all this?

Hmmm...You would think being on a good deep team would open things up for Smart offensively, who lacks the first step to drive. I can do this all day people. SMH.

Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #95 on: March 17, 2016, 10:53:50 PM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...

Randle has a lot of improvement left defensively. Smart has a lot left offensively, that's all we know at the moment really. Celtics play unrecognizably different style than what they did at Oklahoma with Marcus.

Isiah Thomas drives all day for the Celtics. No one is stopping Smart from driving. I see him lacking a great first step. By the way, Rozier was driving all day last game....

Second, I value offensive skill more than Defensive. Half of the battle with defense is literally effort. But that is my opinion.

Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #96 on: March 17, 2016, 10:54:29 PM »

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I think a lot of people, like myself, are concerned, but they also have hope he can turn things around. I'm definitely concerned. I've gone as far as saying rozier is a better pg than smart (in the heat of the thunder blowout, of course). But as I said, I still am optimistic. I think if he gets serious on the ball time he will get better, more comfortable driving, etc

I hope you're right man.

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« Reply #97 on: March 17, 2016, 11:07:39 PM »

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Smart's been struggling of late but I try to remain optimistic because say what you want, but he's had some terrific games this year that make me think he's got what it takes. Offensively Smart is not very well polished but the man loves the game and pushes himself hard when the game's on the line. It's also hard to judge the two because Smart and Randle are in two very different situations. Smart is a rotation guard for a team that is aspiring to make some noise in the playoffs. Randle is a key forward for a team that is currently one of the worst in the league. Plus its only been 2 seasons. A lot can change after just two seasons.

In their first two years after being drafted in 2009, Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings had proven much more in the NBA than James Harden. We all know what has happened since.

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« Reply #98 on: March 17, 2016, 11:11:40 PM »

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Smart's been struggling of late but I try to remain optimistic because say what you want, but he's had some terrific games this year that make me think he's got what it takes. Offensively Smart is not very well polished but the man loves the game and pushes himself hard when the game's on the line. It's also hard to judge the two because Smart and Randle are in two very different situations. Smart is a rotation guard for a team that is aspiring to make some noise in the playoffs. Randle is a key forward for a team that is currently one of the worst in the league. Plus its only been 2 seasons. A lot can change after just two seasons.

In their first two years after being drafted in 2009, Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings had proven much more in the NBA than James Harden. We all know what has happened since.

This is fair. Harden's development really did come out of nowhere.

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« Reply #99 on: March 17, 2016, 11:27:31 PM »

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lol I hope smart becomes as good as he is in my 2k16 mygm mode. Averaging 16,5,7,2 on 45%, 37%, 85% as the 2 guard.

Lineup:
Thomas
Smart
Nets pick (cpu generated SF 6'8")
Love
Horford

Woulda signed Durant but he decided to sign extension with OKC mid season, like February
Is that allowed?

I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2016, 02:03:19 AM »

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Smart v Randle
Olynyk v. Atentokounmpo
Avery Bradley v.  Bradley Beal

I am sensing a pattern here...
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Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2016, 02:57:26 AM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...
Smart is not worse than last year. Everyone should be concerned with his excessive 3 point shots but that's a common theme with this team. They all take untimely 3s.

As for Randle being the focus point in the paint for your team means you get yours more often. He's still not a good defender and he's still not a great passer. Also how come you use his injury as an excuse and not Smart's? Randle has had one major injury, smart a series of significant injuries and lingering pains. It's very clear that early this season his shooting form was off due to his recovery from the dislocated finger.

As I've said already, this debate is incredibly premature as neither have shown the leap forward teams hope for. After their 3rd years I'd hope to have a much clearer picture of where the two are heading

Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2016, 09:16:05 AM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...
Smart is not worse than last year. Everyone should be concerned with his excessive 3 point shots but that's a common theme with this team. They all take untimely 3s.

As for Randle being the focus point in the paint for your team means you get yours more often. He's still not a good defender and he's still not a great passer. Also how come you use his injury as an excuse and not Smart's? Randle has had one major injury, smart a series of significant injuries and lingering pains. It's very clear that early this season his shooting form was off due to his recovery from the dislocated finger.

As I've said already, this debate is incredibly premature as neither have shown the leap forward teams hope for. After their 3rd years I'd hope to have a much clearer picture of where the two are heading

Okay dude, if you say so. I think Randle will make a jump next year and we will see how Smart improves. Also, you can't compare the two players injuries. For god sakes, Randle couldn't play basketball until this summer, literally. Smart played 67 games last year and he has played 47 so far. Smart has had time to really work on his shot too. I really didn't get your injury point. Completely different circumstances. And please stop using the 3's as an excuse dude. Rozier doesn't jack up threes when he plays. He drives, and so does Isiah Thomas. Same with Turner. Take the green goggles off and come to terms with the fact that he lacks finishing ability, as well as a first step.

Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #103 on: March 18, 2016, 09:30:02 AM »

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If people aren't concerned about Smart yet, than they really need to take off the green goggles. Why are the Marcus Smart lovers ignoring that he is worse than last year?

Randle is averaging a double double for the year, and is shooting 48% his last ten games. Please remember he is also in his rookie year coming off major surgery...
Smart is not worse than last year. Everyone should be concerned with his excessive 3 point shots but that's a common theme with this team. They all take untimely 3s.

As for Randle being the focus point in the paint for your team means you get yours more often. He's still not a good defender and he's still not a great passer. Also how come you use his injury as an excuse and not Smart's? Randle has had one major injury, smart a series of significant injuries and lingering pains. It's very clear that early this season his shooting form was off due to his recovery from the dislocated finger.

As I've said already, this debate is incredibly premature as neither have shown the leap forward teams hope for. After their 3rd years I'd hope to have a much clearer picture of where the two are heading

Okay dude, if you say so. I think Randle will make a jump next year and we will see how Smart improves. Also, you can't compare the two players injuries. For god sakes, Randle couldn't play basketball until this summer, literally. Smart played 67 games last year and he has played 47 so far. Smart has had time to really work on his shot too. I really didn't get your injury point. Completely different circumstances. And please stop using the 3's as an excuse dude. Rozier doesn't jack up threes when he plays. He drives, and so does Isiah Thomas. Same with Turner. Take the green goggles off and come to terms with the fact that he lacks finishing ability, as well as a first step.

I am a big Smart support and still am, but since the All-Star game, he has been playing like Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. offensively. Defensively he keeps on playing at an elite level which I like. My biggest problem with Smart at the moment are the excessive 3s. He had a hot 3 point shooting since that blizzard we had but since then has cooled down dramatically.

Randle on the other hand does look like he is outplaying Smart. Double double and at 48% shooting. My only "excuse" would be he is still playing on a losing team and we are winning, though the last two games doesn't shot it. It's more we miss Crowder more than ever and Smart isn't a small forward, though I wanted him to start for his defensive abilities early on. I think the decision to start Smart at SF isn't such a big issue if used right. He is facing George and Durant, arguably two top ten players, or even top 5 players. He did a fine job on George.

I think in order for Smart to be better on the offensive end is to take out his 3 point game entirely for now. Throw in some picks, or have him take care of the ball as PG when Turner is not in. Post a little, drive a little. But all in all, that's more of a head coach decision/problem to have.

While Randle looks very good on paper and I do agree he is playing better than Smart as of late, I do believe if the situation is reversed it probably be the same. Smart's main value is h is defense and his ability to play scrappy, and turn TO into offense for his teammates. His ability to come in and play hard defense and disrupt the opponent's offense is HUGE.

Re: Smart Vs. Randle
« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2016, 10:35:08 AM »

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I've half given up on his offense to be honest. Seems like one step forward two steps back all the time.

Even if the worst happens though, he'll have a fine career as a super-versatile elite defender, and Randle or anyone else we could have drafted is nowhere near good enough for me to think we made a mistake.


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