Will Nets set record for NBA futility?

[celticsclay]

Tomorrow's game against the lakers the Nets at home are 4 point favorites. After that game, they will not be favored in another game until December 10th at home against Philadelphia (if you think this is not true we can wager some tommy points)

Their closest loss so far was 9 points at home to a Bucks team that is very average. Their games are for the most part following a predictable script, they compete for a half or even three quarters before their older vets and Lopez tire out and their bench kills them in games.

Joe Johnson has also very predictably continued to regress at age 35 averaging 8 points on 29% shooting. He has a PER of 8 which is really hard to do.

Jarret Jack has been less epically bad with more turnovers than assists and 39% shooting.

Are we still polishing the turd so to speak with this Nets team or are we ready to admit this looks like a 10-15 win club? 

[PhoSita]

I still think that over an 82 game season, it'll take a long term injury to Lopez or Young to result in the kind of utter futility you're talking about.

That said, the Nets team that won 12 games back in 2010 had Brook Lopez putting up 18 and 8 for 82 games, in addition to Devin Harris putting up 17 and 6 for over 60 games, and Courtney Lee playing at his usual OK level for 70+ games.

The only person on that team who shot over 50% from the field was Josh Boone.

If the Nets continue to get nothing from their supporting cast and Jack and Joe continue to play like they're almost totally washed up, then a bottom 5 record is absolutely in play.

[Evantime34]

Pump the breaks!

Be thankful if this team finishes in the bottom 5, don't jinx it by thinking about them being the worst team ever!

[86MaxwellSmart]

Nets have had a Very hard schedule so far---in fact, perfect for an 0-5 start...I expect them to win 20-30 games easily.

[fairweatherfan]

Yeah, they're not that bad.  But they are bad enough that a couple of bad breaks/dumping off assets could potentially get them there. 

[snively]

I still think that over an 82 game season, it'll take a long term injury to Lopez or Young to result in the kind of utter futility you're talking about.

That said, the Nets team that won 12 games back in 2010 had Brook Lopez putting up 18 and 8 for 82 games, in addition to Devin Harris putting up 17 and 6 for over 60 games, and Courtney Lee playing at his usual OK level for 70+ games.

The only person on that team who shot over 50% from the field was Josh Boone.

If the Nets continue to get nothing from their supporting cast and Jack and Joe continue to play like they're almost totally washed up, then a bottom 5 record is absolutely in play.

I explored this exact comparison at my Nets blog.

In short, there are a lot of fun reasons to give some extra weight to your "that said," namely that both teams shared similar roster compositions, 3-point shooting woes and statistical harbingers early in their seasons.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Tomorrow's game against the lakers the Nets at home are 4 point favorites. After that game, they will not be favored in another game until December 10th at home against Philadelphia (if you think this is not true we can wager some tommy points)

Their closest loss so far was 9 points at home to a Bucks team that is very average. Their games are for the most part following a predictable script, they compete for a half or even three quarters before their older vets and Lopez tire out and their bench kills them in games.

Joe Johnson has also very predictably continued to regress at age 35 averaging 8 points on 29% shooting. He has a PER of 8 which is really hard to do.

Jarret Jack has been less epically bad with more turnovers than assists and 39% shooting.

Are we still polishing the turd so to speak with this Nets team or are we ready to admit this looks like a 10-15 win club?

The Nets will be favored, but if the Sixers can get Marshall and Covington Healthy by then I'm not sure they should be. The Sixers should have beat the Bucks at home last night. They just had a brutal night from 3 for a couple guys with reputations as decent shooters. Noel and Okafor look like they might actually fit, and even if they never fit well enough to win multiple playoffs series they definitely fit well enough to be a pretty good front line in the regular season.

And it looks like they finally found a PG who can keep them from shattering NBA turnover records in McConnell. I think the Nets are the worst team in the NBA this year. At least the Lakers could reasonably expect some of their heat checkers to win them a few games and have Clarkson/Randle who should improve and look pretty good already.

The Nets are a dumpster fire. I think a top 3 pick is a shoo in tbh.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Yeah, they're not that bad.  But they are bad enough that a couple of bad breaks/dumping off assets could potentially get them there.

I wonder if they are ever going to consider blowing it up completely? What pick they give to the Celtics has nothing to do with their rebuild.

I could see it more as a possibility next year, as I think they're still delusional enough to actually believe being in NY is going to make a replacement level roster attractive to FAs, and they're beside themselves giddy with the fact that for the first time in ages they'll actually have cap space. 

[celticsclay]

I think this is a lot more realistic than people realize. Are people on here watching their games? Joe Johnson has fell off a cliff. He may just have been flattened by father time, but he is a guy that should be maybe playing 15-18 minutes off the bench for a playoff team. Asking him to play 30 is ridiculous (like it would be for pierce or kg right now). Jack is a very competitive player and also probably would serve as an ok spark plug off the bench for a team that could at least sniff the playoffs and has a few more vets).

Then you got brook, young and RHJ who isn't ready. The rest of the roster is not NBA rotation players. It is a complete disaster.

[esel1000]

I still think that over an 82 game season, it'll take a long term injury to Lopez or Young to result in the kind of utter futility you're talking about.

That said, the Nets team that won 12 games back in 2010 had Brook Lopez putting up 18 and 8 for 82 games, in addition to Devin Harris putting up 17 and 6 for over 60 games, and Courtney Lee playing at his usual OK level for 70+ games.

The only person on that team who shot over 50% from the field was Josh Boone.

If the Nets continue to get nothing from their supporting cast and Jack and Joe continue to play like they're almost totally washed up, then a bottom 5 record is absolutely in play.

Agreed with the bolded this Nets team is a Lopez injury away from being the worst in the league. Based on his high usage rate though it might take a miracle for him to hold up for the entire season.

As currently constructed I think their best case scenario is 30-35 wins and that's if everything goes right, but not only do I hope it doesn't happen I really don't think it will. This Nets trade is pretty amazing

[Quetzalcoatl]

I think this is a lot more realistic than people realize. Are people on here watching their games? Joe Johnson has fell off a cliff. He may just have been flattened by father time, but he is a guy that should be maybe playing 15-18 minutes off the bench for a playoff team. Asking him to play 30 is ridiculous (like it would be for pierce or kg right now). Jack is a very competitive player and also probably would serve as an ok spark plug off the bench for a team that could at least sniff the playoffs and has a few more vets).

Then you got brook, young and RHJ who isn't ready. The rest of the roster is not NBA rotation players. It is a complete disaster.

The Nets fans at Reddit & RealGM are CONVINCED that RHJ is a superstar in waiting and that the only thing holding them back is he mouthed off at Hollins.  RHJ is a decent piece and Hollins is a terrible coach, but it's so cute to watch them complain about it.  They think they'll basically make the playoffs if they start Larkin/RHJ/Bogdanovic/Young/Lopez which is hilarious.

[celticsclay]

I think this is a lot more realistic than people realize. Are people on here watching their games? Joe Johnson has fell off a cliff. He may just have been flattened by father time, but he is a guy that should be maybe playing 15-18 minutes off the bench for a playoff team. Asking him to play 30 is ridiculous (like it would be for pierce or kg right now). Jack is a very competitive player and also probably would serve as an ok spark plug off the bench for a team that could at least sniff the playoffs and has a few more vets).

Then you got brook, young and RHJ who isn't ready. The rest of the roster is not NBA rotation players. It is a complete disaster.

The Nets fans at Reddit & RealGM are CONVINCED that RHJ is a superstar in waiting and that the only thing holding them back is he mouthed off at Hollins.  RHJ is a decent piece and Hollins is a terrible coach, but it's so cute to watch them complain about it.  They think they'll basically make the playoffs if they start Larkin/RHJ/Bogdanovic/Young/Lopez which is hilarious.

Wow Larkin? He couldn't even lead the 14 win knicks last year. i don't think he is an NBA player, let alone a starter on a playoff team. I would rather have smart, bradley, thomas, rozier and hunter before him by a mile.


 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Let's hope so.

[fairweatherfan]

I think this is a lot more realistic than people realize. Are people on here watching their games? Joe Johnson has fell off a cliff. He may just have been flattened by father time, but he is a guy that should be maybe playing 15-18 minutes off the bench for a playoff team. Asking him to play 30 is ridiculous (like it would be for pierce or kg right now). Jack is a very competitive player and also probably would serve as an ok spark plug off the bench for a team that could at least sniff the playoffs and has a few more vets).

Then you got brook, young and RHJ who isn't ready. The rest of the roster is not NBA rotation players. It is a complete disaster.

The Nets fans at Reddit & RealGM are CONVINCED that RHJ is a superstar in waiting and that the only thing holding them back is he mouthed off at Hollins.  RHJ is a decent piece and Hollins is a terrible coach, but it's so cute to watch them complain about it.  They think they'll basically make the playoffs if they start Larkin/RHJ/Bogdanovic/Young/Lopez which is hilarious.

Wow Larkin? He couldn't even lead the 14 win knicks last year. i don't think he is an NBA player, let alone a starter on a playoff team. I would rather have smart, bradley, thomas, rozier and hunter before him by a mile.

The takeaway here is every fan base has their "play the kids!  They'll be awesome!" contingent.  They probably get louder as the team gets more miserable.

[Big333223]

This has been a great start to the season for the Nets, I'm going to enjoy the ride as long as I can but I can't bring myself to fully indulge in hope of this sort. Those who can should enjoy it.