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Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2015, 11:58:01 PM »

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It's early, but so far it looks like we may have dodged a bullet by not trading up for Winslow. He looks pretty bad so far. Stanley Johnson looks much, much better, and so do the guys we drafted.

Winslow won't turn 20 until next year, I believe.  Kid's got a lot of developing to do.  Kaminsky is 3 years older and I don't think has looked much better.  That is going to go down as one of the worst no-trades in that franchise's history.

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Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2015, 12:07:37 AM »

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I wonder what happened with Portis. The majority of mocks had us taking him at 16.

Man, he's got some crazy eyes, too. I guess hindsight is 20/20 ... but how did we miss the crazy eyes?!

what? lol. No . Who cares about his eyes. 

He thinks he is like KG when he is not.   

I predict Mickey will be as good as Portis

Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2015, 12:10:06 AM »

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It's early, but so far it looks like we may have dodged a bullet by not trading up for Winslow. He looks pretty bad so far. Stanley Johnson looks much, much better, and so do the guys we drafted.

Winslow won't turn 20 until next year, I believe.  Kid's got a lot of developing to do.  Kaminsky is 3 years older and I don't think has looked much better.  That is going to go down as one of the worst no-trades in that franchise's history.

Mike

Detroit looks like they got it right picking Johnson instead of Winslow

Winslow looks like a duplicate of Crowder so far.  With a tad bit longer wingspan and athleticism.
Not bad but may have been picked a little too high

Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2015, 12:17:54 AM »

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I wonder what happened with Portis. The majority of mocks had us taking him at 16.

Man, he's got some crazy eyes, too. I guess hindsight is 20/20 ... but how did we miss the crazy eyes?!

what? lol. No . Who cares about his eyes. 

He thinks he is like KG when he is not.   

I predict Mickey will be as good as Portis

I'm pretty high on Mickey, who is probably going to go down as the biggest steal of the draft given where we drafted him, but ignoring draft slot, Portis is currently setting himself at another level apart from all the other rookies this preseason, averaging a ridiculous 15.2 rebounds and 18.5 points per 36.

Modeling one's play after KG is most definitely not the worst thing a young player could strive to do.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with our picks, though.  Rozier looks more and more like he's not only going to make it as an NBA player, but indeed he looks like he might be an impact player.   If he is, that is a huge return to get out of the 16th pick.

And Hunter and Mickey are like found money.  This could go down as one of Danny's best drafts ever.

But it will take a long time before we know that, of course.
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Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2015, 12:19:55 AM »

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It's early, but so far it looks like we may have dodged a bullet by not trading up for Winslow. He looks pretty bad so far. Stanley Johnson looks much, much better, and so do the guys we drafted.

Winslow won't turn 20 until next year, I believe.  Kid's got a lot of developing to do.  Kaminsky is 3 years older and I don't think has looked much better.  That is going to go down as one of the worst no-trades in that franchise's history.

Mike

Detroit looks like they got it right picking Johnson instead of Winslow

Winslow looks like a duplicate of Crowder so far.  With a tad bit longer wingspan and athleticism.
Not bad but may have been picked a little too high

Johnson is the player I wanted the most out of that draft.  He would have been perfect to slot into our roster.  Sigh ...
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Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2015, 03:33:11 AM »

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Well at some point in today's game one of the announcers (either Mike or Tommy) said that Rozier is leading all rookies in scoring in the pre-season.  Not sure if that's actually true or not, but he is putting up some nice numbers.

So far in the preseason Rozier is averaging 20.3 points, 4.8 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 3.0 steals and 1.7 turnovers Per 36 while shooting 51.6% FG, 61.5% 3PT and 63.6% FT.

As we all know this is just preseason so probably not reflective of how he'll produce in actual NBA minutes, but still, the fact that he's produced like that in the preseason (which is means against legit NBA players) is impressive.

Call me crazy, but I think Rozier has a higher ceiling than Smart.


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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2015, 03:36:08 AM »

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It's early, but so far it looks like we may have dodged a bullet by not trading up for Winslow. He looks pretty bad so far. Stanley Johnson looks much, much better, and so do the guys we drafted.

Winslow won't turn 20 until next year, I believe.  Kid's got a lot of developing to do.  Kaminsky is 3 years older and I don't think has looked much better.  That is going to go down as one of the worst no-trades in that franchise's history.

Mike

Detroit looks like they got it right picking Johnson instead of Winslow

Winslow looks like a duplicate of Crowder so far.  With a tad bit longer wingspan and athleticism.
Not bad but may have been picked a little too high

Yeah, I predicted that.

Everything I saw on Johnson told me that kid had a lot of potential.  He may well be the best player in the draft 2-3 years from now.

I see him as a Ron Artest minus the mental issues - maybe even a bit better.  Might not sound like a grand comparison, but Artest was actually a really talented player in his prime.  He was a good offensive player and an absolute beast on defence. 

Winslow always looked average to me. He looks like a good 'jack of all trades' bench player but doesn't seem like there is any one thing he does at an exceptionally high level.  Maybe he could develop into a Trevor Ariza / Courtney Lee type?  Nothing standout, but solid none the less.

I think Rozier has All-Star potential.  Not saying he'll be a 20 PPG scorer, but I wouldn't count it out either.  He certainly has more potential to be one than anybody else currently in a Celtics uniform.  I don't think there is that much Derek Rose can do that Rozier can't - their game seems very similar with the main difference being that Rose a better passer, and Rozier is a better shooter. Physically Rozier's a very close match too - similar height, length, build, athletic ability. 

Either way I am excited to see how the next couple of years go in Celtic land - very excited!
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Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2015, 04:18:08 AM »

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If C's are trading IT I have no problem them taking Rozier over Dekker and Portis.

Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2015, 04:45:56 AM »

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Didn't want to touch Dekker. Liked Portis but he's exceeded expectations so far in preseason.

This is a development year for Winslow. Not a lot of opportunities for him at the moment while Spoelstra tries to get his main rotations figured out on a serious contender for the ECF.
Winslow has all the attributes to become a great player so don't sleep on him just yet.
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Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2015, 07:49:40 AM »

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I liked what I saw from Portis.

When I saw how low he dropped, I was confused. But I'm very pleased with the outcome. Mickey seems like a beast.
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Re: Are you still upset the Celtics didn't draft Dekker or Portis?
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2015, 08:34:22 AM »

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I wonder what happened with Portis. The majority of mocks had us taking him at 16.

Man, he's got some crazy eyes, too. I guess hindsight is 20/20 ... but how did we miss the crazy eyes?!

At the time lots of people on Celtics Blog wrote in expressing their disappointment that we didn't draft Portis.  Thus, I'm almost 100% certain Portis was high on the Celtic's draft chart as well.  From all metrics drafting him made the most sense as Rozier wasn't on anyone's radar at 16. 

However, oftentimes we don't use common sense when we make decisions.  Instead, we base our decisions on emotions and our own prejudices based on past experiences.  (I'm not saying that is always bad, but the odds are against us.)

In this case,  Danny and his crew had a hunch that Rozier was the better choice even though it went against the logic of the time.  Thus, I'm not sure I would call it "hindsight is 20/20". Rather, it was more of vote of confidence in their decision making process over that of the masses.

Who knows, maybe it will turn out the be the right decision.  In blackjack the dealer must hold at 17 even though picking up one more lower card would give the house a better chance of winning.  Danny had the option of picking up another card. So, he did. Time will tell if he picked up a high or low card. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2015, 11:59:32 AM »

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Rozier plays with a high level of confidence and effort.

He hit some clutch baskets in the SL and pre season.  Those two threes vs the Knicks the other game was big as the Knicks were starting to warm up.

Rozier didn't have a good elite eight game, had some mediocre stats in the regular season, but still he was a big factor as to the reason why the cardinals made to the elite eight.  Consider also that cardinals were not predicted to eve make sweet sixteen rounds.

Pretty sure Rozier would of been gone not too long after the Celts picked him.  Probably to the Bulls (if they predicted the Celts take Portis at 16).

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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2015, 12:23:52 PM »

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Ehh, I'm not sure Portis is starting caliber yet.
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2015, 12:27:16 PM »

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I predict Mickey will be as good as Portis



I'm shocked.
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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2015, 01:53:59 PM »

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I predict Mickey will be as good as Portis



I'm shocked.

I'm shocked that your shocked =p