Poll: Who would you take moving forward Randle or Smart

[LarBrd33]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

[Forza Juventus]

Pair Smart in time with a true point guard and then you got something..

Randle is another player in a long line that entered the draft to early. In the NFL he's a JAG..

What a stupid post. And screw the nfl the nba should never be compared to that plantation mentality league

[coffee425]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Shouldn't this poll really be, "Would you take Julius Randle or Jordan Mickey?" Because that's an equal sample size, and both have been pretty much equally as impressive.

[LarBrd33]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Shouldn't this poll really be, "Would you take Julius Randle or Jordan Mickey?" Because that's an equal sample size, and both have been pretty much equally as impressive.

Well, no. Only a fool would take Mickey over randle.

The smart vs randle will be more interesting later in the season. We don't know if passing on randle was a mistake.  Right now it's hard to say it was.  Smart has been ok and randle was out for a year with an injury.  Round 1 clearly goes to smart.  This poll is premature.

[Forza Juventus]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Shouldn't this poll really be, "Would you take Julius Randle or Jordan Mickey?" Because that's an equal sample size, and both have been pretty much equally as impressive.

Well, no. Only a fool would take Mickey over randle.

The smart vs randle will be more interesting later in the season. We don't know if passing on randle was a mistake.  Right now it's hard to say it was.  Smart has been ok and randle was out for a year with an injury.  Round 1 clearly goes to smart.  This poll is premature.

But Mickey dominated a practice! 

[BitterJim]

 He was a good scorer but mostly when he was getting to the rim at will now for whatever reason he can't. And he was never a good shooter. And he's 6'2"

Since when is Marcus Smart 6'2"?

* His 2013 USA Basketball measurements have him at 6'4" / 226 lbs
* His 2014 Combine measurements have him at 6'3" / 227
* NBA.com lists him at 6'4" / 220

Unless you're talking about height without shoes, I don't recall anybody ever measuring Smart at 6'2". 

The kid has outstanding size for an NBA PG, and very decent size for an NBA SG.

 I like to live in the real world with height. And that means doing it the same way we all did it growing up at the doctors office, that's with your shoes off.

 He's 6'2" with long arms. I know he's been listed at 6'4" but he's not. But that's not the problem, it's that he's not as quick or as explosive as I'll hoped.

If you want to look at Smarts measurements without shoes, then compare him to other players without shoes and you'll find that he has good size for a PG, and, combined with his weight, decent size for a SG

[tankcity!]

Randle unfortunately. I don't think Smart will be a great offensive player. Also, defense takes effort. It's easy to come into the league and go all out on defensive, ala Avery Bradley. He won't be able to play defense that way night in and night out. So his defensive impact is overrated IMO. I love the guys heart and intangibles. I hope his hard work improves his offensive game, I really do. But Randle looks like a future 18 and 10 to me.

[DarkAzcura]

Randle unfortunately. I don't think Smart will be a great offensive player. Also, defense takes effort. It's easy to come into the league and go all out on defensive, ala Avery Bradley. He won't be able to play defense that way night in and night out. So his defensive impact is overrated IMO. I love the guys heart and intangibles. I hope his hard work improves his offensive game, I really do. But Randle looks like a future 18 and 10 to me.

So his defensive impact is overrated because one day he may or may not try as hard on defense? No offense, but that sounds really silly. His defensive impact was huge last season, and that doesn't change just because of some unforeseen future where he stops playing D as hard. All we know is that he did play defense like that night in, night out. The Celtics had a top 12 defense last year after being around 18-23 for much of the first half. By the numbers, the Celtics' rise in the defensive rankings correlated with Smart's rise in defensive numbers. They were top 7-10 over the last 40 games because of Bradley, Smart, Crowder, and a bit of Jerebko.

Also, Bradley and Smart's defensive styles are very different. Smart plays defense like Tony Allen albeit a little smarter. Bradley's defense was all about full court/half court pressure and being a pest. Smart's defense is about bodying up other players and reading the defense to help communicate on switches. Bradley's defense was almost always going to slip a little because of the ridiculous energy it takes to ball hawk like him. He's still very good, though, and his "fall off" is overstated at this point, imo. Smart plays his type of defense in his sleep. He doesn't press or ball hawk nearly as much, and as a result probably doesn't expend as much energy as Bradley. I'd be incredibly surprised if he becomes worse over the next 4-5 years. If anything, he will probably keep improving on that end ala Tony Allen.

[tankcity!]

Randle unfortunately. I don't think Smart will be a great offensive player. Also, defense takes effort. It's easy to come into the league and go all out on defensive, ala Avery Bradley. He won't be able to play defense that way night in and night out. So his defensive impact is overrated IMO. I love the guys heart and intangibles. I hope his hard work improves his offensive game, I really do. But Randle looks like a future 18 and 10 to me.

So his defensive impact is overrated because one day he may or may not try as hard on defense? No offense, but that sounds really silly. His defensive impact was huge last season, and that doesn't change just because of some unforeseen future where he stops playing D as hard. All we know is that he did play defense like that night in, night out. The Celtics had a top 12 defense last year after being around 18-23 for much of the first half. By the numbers, the Celtics' rise in the defensive rankings correlated with Smart's rise in defensive numbers. They were top 7-10 over the last 40 games because of Bradley, Smart, Crowder, and a bit of Jerebko.

Also, Bradley and Smart's defensive styles are very different. Smart plays defense like Tony Allen albeit a little smarter. Bradley's defense was all about full court/half court pressure and being a pest. Smart's defense is about bodying up other players and reading the defense to help communicate on switches. Bradley's defense was almost always going to slip a little because of the ridiculous energy it takes to ball hawk like him. He's still very good, though, and his "fall off" is overstated at this point, imo. Smart plays his type of defense in his sleep. He doesn't press or ball hawk nearly as much, and as a result probably doesn't expend as much energy as Bradley. I'd be incredibly surprised if he becomes worse over the next 4-5 years. If anything, he will probably keep improving on that end ala Tony Allen.

You keep digging yourself in a hole buddy. Allen is a role player who makes under $10M a year. That is his value to the league. The Grizzlies are Marc Gasol's team and even with Allen's apparent defensive impact, that team has won squat. Role players come and go, it's about the stars in this league. Smart will need two stars for us to see his impact so excuse me if I don't value defense as much as offense. A guy like Randle can get you more on the market.

Now I think Smart will be decent on offense, but you're the one to compare him to Tony Allen.

[Evantime34]

I'd go with Smart. I think he is a transformative defense player. At every level he has played he has drastically improved his team's defense. In college he dragged OK st. to an elite defense after being a below average defense in pretty much every other year Ford has been their coach. Last year, he was the driving factor behind the C's defensive improvement despite being not 100% due to the ankle injury.

On offense, Smart was elite at drawing fouls in college. Which is where his offensive value comes in. As a rookie he didn't really get the same calls he got in college, and struggled to get to the hoop due to his ankle. In his second year with a healthy ankle and the refs not treating him like a rookie I think he can be a very good scorer by drawing a ton of fouls.

Randle is very good prospect but I think he is less of a fit in the modern NBA, and more of a natural post 4 than the stretch 4 that is en vogue in the NBA. If I remember correctly part of the reason he slid was due to the concern over a potential injury, that he immediately got hurt doesn't alleviate that concern.

[Kuberski33]

Real hard to say since Randle hasn't been through an NBA season with teams studying him on film and trying to take away what he likes to do, seeing whether he gives a full effort every night, seeing what his weaknesses are etc..etc...etc....

[jambr380]

Randle unfortunately. I don't think Smart will be a great offensive player. Also, defense takes effort. It's easy to come into the league and go all out on defensive, ala Avery Bradley. He won't be able to play defense that way night in and night out. So his defensive impact is overrated IMO. I love the guys heart and intangibles. I hope his hard work improves his offensive game, I really do. But Randle looks like a future 18 and 10 to me.

So his defensive impact is overrated because one day he may or may not try as hard on defense? No offense, but that sounds really silly. His defensive impact was huge last season, and that doesn't change just because of some unforeseen future where he stops playing D as hard. All we know is that he did play defense like that night in, night out. The Celtics had a top 12 defense last year after being around 18-23 for much of the first half. By the numbers, the Celtics' rise in the defensive rankings correlated with Smart's rise in defensive numbers. They were top 7-10 over the last 40 games because of Bradley, Smart, Crowder, and a bit of Jerebko.

Also, Bradley and Smart's defensive styles are very different. Smart plays defense like Tony Allen albeit a little smarter. Bradley's defense was all about full court/half court pressure and being a pest. Smart's defense is about bodying up other players and reading the defense to help communicate on switches. Bradley's defense was almost always going to slip a little because of the ridiculous energy it takes to ball hawk like him. He's still very good, though, and his "fall off" is overstated at this point, imo. Smart plays his type of defense in his sleep. He doesn't press or ball hawk nearly as much, and as a result probably doesn't expend as much energy as Bradley. I'd be incredibly surprised if he becomes worse over the next 4-5 years. If anything, he will probably keep improving on that end ala Tony Allen.

You keep digging yourself in a hole buddy. Allen is a role player who makes under $10M a year. That is his value to the league. The Grizzlies are Marc Gasol's team and even with Allen's apparent defensive impact, that team has won squat. Role players come and go, it's about the stars in this league. Smart will need two stars for us to see his impact so excuse me if I don't value defense as much as offense. A guy like Randle can get you more on the market.

Now I think Smart will be decent on offense, but you're the one to compare him to Tony Allen.

I don't mean to step in a debate between two other posters, but I have to believe that when DarkAzcura was comparing Smart and Allen, he was only talking about their defensive styles and impacts. I think it is pretty obvious that everybody here believes Smart is going to be easily surpass Allen's impact offensively.

[jpotter33]

I mean, I obviously take Smart right now.

For me, the question is this - "Is Randle any better than what prime Sully *could* be?"

Obviously, this is a loaded question right now due to the context of Sully's conditioning and place on this team. However, I don't think that Randle would be much, if any, better than Sully if they both reached their full potential. For example, I think both of their skills in scoring inside and rebounding are pretty much a wash. And though Randle is more athletic than Sully, I think Sully has a higher BBIQ and is a better shooter than Randle, or at least has shown potential to be a capable mid-range and outside shooter.

Ultimately, the question is if Sully will ever reach his full potential due to his conditioning and attitude issues. I have my doubts right now, but I honestly don't think that Randle's ultimate ceiling is much higher than Sully's ceiling.

[aingeforthree]

Smart by far. A lot further in his development as well.

I'm not mad at the big 3 from this draft as well.  Rozier, Hunter, & Mickey all look darn good.

[Denis998]

If you take the 5-3-8 ranking into consideration, Smart is called a future all star, while Randle is called a good prospect at this point. A guard can do so much more on the floor when compared to what a PF can do. You need a great PG to win in this league, a team can get by with an average PF. Such is how GS won with Green at the 4. For that reason is why I'll stick with Smart over Randle