Poll: Who would you take moving forward Randle or Smart

[Moranis]

I said in another thread that I believe Randle compares favorably to Zach Randolph and Smart compares favorably to Alvin Robertson (and by compares favorably, I mean similar style of game with that being the peak potential of each).  Thus, since I believe Randolph has more of an impact than Robertson, I would take Randle. 

[PhoSita]

I think you have to question which of them has a greater chance of hitting that ceiling, especially considering opportunity -- who is more likely to be given a large enough role to realize that peak?

Because he fits more easily into a modern NBA team, I think Smart will have a great chance.

I think any guy who wants to be a 20-10 back to the basket big man in the NBA now has to be phenomenally talented, and probably has to be able to play center at least some of the time.  That's not Julius Randle.  So despite his skillset I think Randle is going to have to try to be more like Lamar Odom (to whom Kobe compared Randle) than Zach Randolph.

Smart has already carved out a role on a decent team, and as his confidence and skill on offense grows I can only imagine his role growing, too.

[tankcity!]

I said in another thread that I believe Randle compares favorably to Zach Randolph and Smart compares favorably to Alvin Robertson (and by compares favorably, I mean similar style of game with that being the peak potential of each).  Thus, since I believe Randolph has more of an impact than Robertson, I would take Randle.

Yeah, that's kind of where my mindset is as well. With Smart, it's hard to know how much his intangibles will impact the Celtics. Only time will tell I guess. I do think Smart has more overall upside because of Randle's limitations. For Smart to become better than Randle, he will need to be a deadeye shooter and improve his P&R game.

[Sketch5]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Agree, people over blow a few good games. Smart had a horrible summer league his first time out, but has gotten better and better. He dominated this summer like he should.

Who knows maybe Randle becomes a better player, but doesn't mean he's the better player for Stevens system.

[Moranis]

I think you have to question which of them has a greater chance of hitting that ceiling, especially considering opportunity -- who is more likely to be given a large enough role to realize that peak?

Because he fits more easily into a modern NBA team, I think Smart will have a great chance.

I think any guy who wants to be a 20-10 back to the basket big man in the NBA now has to be phenomenally talented, and probably has to be able to play center at least some of the time.  That's not Julius Randle.  So despite his skillset I think Randle is going to have to try to be more like Lamar Odom (to whom Kobe compared Randle) than Zach Randolph.

Smart has already carved out a role on a decent team, and as his confidence and skill on offense grows I can only imagine his role growing, too.

Randle will be given the playing time to grow.  I just look at him and see Zach Randolph, who despite being past his prime is still dropping 16/10 in the NBA.  Talented scorers will always be able to score, same with talented rebounders.  I'd just rather have the 18/10 big man than the 16/6/3 point guard who is a defensive monster.  The big man is a lot harder to come by and big men win you titles (historically).

[tankcity!]

I think you have to question which of them has a greater chance of hitting that ceiling, especially considering opportunity -- who is more likely to be given a large enough role to realize that peak?

Because he fits more easily into a modern NBA team, I think Smart will have a great chance.

I think any guy who wants to be a 20-10 back to the basket big man in the NBA now has to be phenomenally talented, and probably has to be able to play center at least some of the time.  That's not Julius Randle.  So despite his skillset I think Randle is going to have to try to be more like Lamar Odom (to whom Kobe compared Randle) than Zach Randolph.

Smart has already carved out a role on a decent team, and as his confidence and skill on offense grows I can only imagine his role growing, too.

Randle will be given the playing time to grow.  I just look at him and see Zach Randolph, who despite being past his prime is still dropping 16/10 in the NBA.  Talented scorers will always be able to score, same with talented rebounders.  I'd just rather have the 18/10 big man than the 16/6/3 point guard who is a defensive monster.  The big man is a lot harder to come by and big men win you titles (historically).

I was with you until you said big men win you titles like Randle will ever be that sort of big man. Like I said, he has his limitations. Carlos Boozer used to put up 20 and 10. It's not a big deal. But when a player with limitations reaches the postseason, they're not the same.

[Evantime34]

I think Randle will have better standard box score stats than Smart, but Smart's teams will outproduce Randle's.

Last year Smart didn't put up great box score stats but his teams consistently produced much better with him on the court. If you look at Smart's advanced numbers (especially ESPN's RPM) you see his true value. Give me the guy who drives his team to improve over the guy who puts up better stats every day.

[aingeforthree]

I think Randle will have better standard box score stats than Smart, but Smart's teams will outproduce Randle's.

Last year Smart didn't put up great box score stats but his teams consistently produced much better with him on the court. If you look at Smart's advanced numbers (especially ESPN's RPM) you see his true value. Give me the guy who drives his team to improve over the guy who puts up better stats every day.

True.  Smart's defense does not show up in the box score.  It's an important part of his game, and it affects winning and losing more than his 3 pt shot.

[LarBrd33]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Agree, people over blow a few good games. Smart had a horrible summer league his first time out, but has gotten better and better. He dominated this summer like he should.

Actually Smart's rookie and sophomore summer league weren't all that different.  He was pretty good in both.  It's actually the lack of major improvement that makes me think it's plausible Randle will end up better.  I hope Smart makes a leap this year.  I thought he'd show more improvement over the course of year 1.

[aingeforthree]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Agree, people over blow a few good games. Smart had a horrible summer league his first time out, but has gotten better and better. He dominated this summer like he should.

Actually Smart's rookie and sophomore summer league weren't all that different.  He was pretty good in both.  It's actually the lack of major improvement that makes me think it's plausible Randle will end up better.  I hope Smart makes a leap this year.  I thought he'd show more improvement over the course of year 1.

I don't think we're watching the same player ?  Are you just talking stats ?

[Celtics4ever]

If I were LA Russell is who I would be worried about not Randle.  I think they have have over reached on that pick.

[Eddie20]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Agree, people over blow a few good games. Smart had a horrible summer league his first time out, but has gotten better and better. He dominated this summer like he should.

Actually Smart's rookie and sophomore summer league weren't all that different.  He was pretty good in both.  It's actually the lack of major improvement that makes me think it's plausible Randle will end up better.  I hope Smart makes a leap this year.  I thought he'd show more improvement over the course of year 1.

I don't think we're watching the same player ?  Are you just talking stats ?

Seriously. How could anybody that actually watched the games say that?

http://nesn.com/2015/07/celtics-summer-storylines-marcus-smart-a-cut-above-james-young-still-scuffling/

Out-Smarting everyone The No. 1 takeaway from Utah? Marcus Smart is a bit overqualified for summer league. The point guard looked like the best player on the floor in both of the games he played (he sat out the Celtics’ second for rest purposes), averaging 24.0 points, 7.5 assists, 4.5 rebounds and 2.5 steals in matchups with the Utah Jazz and San Antonio Spurs. Smart struggled shooting in the Celtics’ opener (6-for-20 from the floor, 2-for-10 from 3-point range) but did a phenomenal job of attacking the basket, resulting in a 12-for-13 showing from the free-throw line and 26 points overall. He remedied those shooting woes Thursday, going 9-for-14 from the floor and 4-for-6 from deep as the C’s knocked off the Spurs 85-71 to earn their only win of the trip. The hustle that defined Smart’s game last season was on full display — so much so that it made you afraid he might hurt himself — and he made enough “did you see that?” plays against San Antonio to fill a highlight reel. This nifty pass — dare we call it “Rondo-esque?” — was particularly noteworthy. Smart will suit up for the C’s again in Vegas, but it’s clear he’s operating at a level far above that of his teammates.

[wayupnorth]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Agree, people over blow a few good games. Smart had a horrible summer league his first time out, but has gotten better and better. He dominated this summer like he should.

Actually Smart's rookie and sophomore summer league weren't all that different.  He was pretty good in both.  It's actually the lack of major improvement that makes me think it's plausible Randle will end up better.  I hope Smart makes a leap this year.  I thought he'd show more improvement over the course of year 1.

I don't think we're watching the same player ?  Are you just talking stats ?

He just takes the best-case scenario for guys not on the Celtics, and then takes worst-case scenario for anyone on the C's.

I really don't get it, but he does it often and obviously.

Which sucks, because other than that insane irrationality, he is a quality contributor.

[LarBrd33]

 There is no doubt our perimeter D would suffer without Smart. We did just draft Rozier however.

 Ill take Randle. Simply because we need a 20 ppg potential guy and he will be that if healthy. It was obvious to see you don't see his blend of talents often, and I have never seen a guy quite like him before.

There's is literally no way Randle wins this poll right now.   5 Summer league games isn't enough to determine a guy's future.

You'll have to do another one 3 months from now... and then 3 years from now.   Maybe Smart stays in the lead.  Maybe not.

Agree, people over blow a few good games. Smart had a horrible summer league his first time out, but has gotten better and better. He dominated this summer like he should.

Actually Smart's rookie and sophomore summer league weren't all that different.  He was pretty good in both.  It's actually the lack of major improvement that makes me think it's plausible Randle will end up better.  I hope Smart makes a leap this year.  I thought he'd show more improvement over the course of year 1.

I don't think we're watching the same player ?  Are you just talking stats ?

He just takes the best-case scenario for guys not on the Celtics, and then takes worst-case scenario for anyone on the C's.

I really don't get it, but he does it often and obviously.

Which sucks, because other than that insane irrationality, he is a quality contributor.

Just talkin stats.  Smart's tiny uptick in summerleague production from year 1 to 2 mirrored his tiny uptick in production over the first and second half of the season.  People took it as a sign he was making a leap in Year 2... I think it was more a reflection of the minuscule improvement he made over the course of his rookie season.  My expectations for him in Year 2 aren't "leap"... I think he'll continue to be an effective defender and limited offensive player.  I think it's possible he ends up being more.  I hope he does. 

[cb8883]

Randle proved last night how bad of a miss this was. The guy is an absolute beast.