How can Danny possibly keep James Young in this roster?

[chambers]

I was one of the only people that criticized the James Young pick. I even made a thread about it at the time titled 'what exactly does James Young bring to the table?'.

But even after doing so, I think the James Young project has to be looked at from a certain perspective.

1) He's still the youngest player on our team.
2) If he didn't go into the draft, he'd be a rookie this year and still be our youngest player.
3) We've had the opportunity to give Young an NBA experience instead of a college experience as a leader.
Was he the kind of player that should have gone through the college experience of leading a team as one of it's better players?
Or will he just need more time to mentally 'mature' and not get so nervous on the court?

Right now, he's suffering from severe anxiety on the NBA court. He's getting wide open looks and bricking them. He's over thinking his passes and his rotations on defense (although that's definitely gotten better since last year).
Like Jeff Green, he's got some kind of anxiety issues and getting over an imaginary 'pro' hump.

I'm trying to look at his rookie year on the court and D league as his 2nd year in college. This season we should look at it like his rookie year.
So the strides aren't going to be enormous, but some will be made. By age 21/22 is when we'll really need some game showing- especially that 3 ball.

Ultimately he was a late teens pick and if he turns into a role player with respectable D and a nice 3 ball then that's really better than we could hope for with a pick like that.

Time and experience are the most important ingredients for some players and James Young appears to be one of those players.

[Global Celtic]

I was one of the only people that criticized the James Young pick. I even made a thread about it at the time titled 'what exactly does James Young bring to the table?'.

But even after doing so, I think the James Young project has to be looked at from a certain perspective.

1) He's still the youngest player on our team.
2) If he didn't go into the draft, he'd be a rookie this year and still be our youngest player.
3) We've had the opportunity to give Young an NBA experience instead of a college experience as a leader.
Was he the kind of player that should have gone through the college experience of leading a team as one of it's better players?
Or will he just need more time to mentally 'mature' and not get so nervous on the court?

Right now, he's suffering from severe anxiety on the NBA court. He's getting wide open looks and bricking them. He's over thinking his passes and his rotations on defense (although that's definitely gotten better since last year).
Like Jeff Green, he's got some kind of anxiety issues and getting over an imaginary 'pro' hump.

I'm trying to look at his rookie year on the court and D league as his 2nd year in college. This season we should look at it like his rookie year.
So the strides aren't going to be enormous, but some will be made. By age 21/22 is when we'll really need some game showing- especially that 3 ball.

Ultimately he was a late teens pick and if he turns into a role player with respectable D and a nice 3 ball then that's really better than we could hope for with a pick like that.

Time and experience are the most important ingredients for some players and James Young appears to be one of those players.

That's a valid opinion but the problem is that he doesn't seem to have "the fire". To succeed in the current NBA you really have to "want it". The talent level is unforgivable.
Look at guys like our three rookies. Mickey, RJ Hunter and Rozier also have almost 0 experience at this level but they seem to have the mindset to develop into good players down the line. I didn't saw that in Young, at least not in the last 14 months.
I think we should keep Perry Jones, instead. Someone that once scored 32 points in an actual NBA game can be more useful than Young.

[positivitize]

That's a valid opinion but the problem is that he doesn't seem to have "the fire". To succeed in the current NBA you really have to "want it". The talent level is unforgivable.

pretty sure one doesn't change one's body as much as James Young did in one off season if one doesn't "want it." whatever that means.

I think we should keep Perry Jones, instead.

you are wrong.

[Global Celtic]

Maybe one day...
http://videos.masslive.com/republican/2015/10/evan_turner_beats_james_young.html

[Chris22]

Young is terrible.
Hunter is already a better player.

[greece66]

1. Twenty years old
2. Reasonably good college career
3. Rookie contract

Also, he is popular with the fans 

[kozlodoev]

1. Twenty years old
2. Reasonably good college career
3. Rookie contract

Also, he is popular with the fans 

Also, Perry Jones is worse

[feckless]

1. Twenty years old
2. Reasonably good college career
3. Rookie contract

Also, he is popular with the fans 

Also, Perry Jones is worse

Popular with fans--the fans on this board are split?

We are going to have to trust Danny and Brad on this, because we don't know who works harder in practice.  From what we have been able to see I don't want either, if not for $ I would prefer to keep the spot open and give a few guys tryouts.

[Rosco917]

So far this pre season we've seen signs that RJ, Rozier, and Mickey will develop into useful players. I'm not talking games, I'm taking about mire minutes here, where each has played well and given a short view into the window of the future.

-RJ hits a nice shot, makes a nice pass or two, and plays some quality D.
-Rozier, hits a jumper, hits a corner 3, plays some solid D, handles the ball well, and gets to where he needs to on the court.
-Mickey, blocks a few shots, grabs a few rebounds, hits a jumper, mixes it up under the boards.

-James Young in his second year, looks lost while playing against European competition, and yes, he did hit a 3. nice shot. While hardly playing in Spain at all. He shows little real confidence and desire.

That's all some of us are looking for is 4-5 minutes where James gets it. Where he hits a jumper within the team offensive scheme, maybe takes the ball to the rim, then maybe hits a 3, and plays involved ball, aggressive team defense, maybe grabs 3 rebounds, just a flash of hope.

I understand he's very young, he needs another full year in Maine, and another good look at the end of the year in Boston, maybe another summer league, and then another pre season, and then a final decision.

I think everyone here is hoping James Young blossoms and is a keeper.









 

[saltlover]

People keep talking about his rookie deal, but Ainge has to decide whether to pick up his option for NEXT year at the end of THIS month.  What on earth has James Young shown that says his option should be picked up?  And if you're not going to pick up his option for next year, then there's no reason to keep him this year.

If his deal were already guaranteed for next year, it might make more sense.  But as it isn't, there's no reason to commit to paying him another $1.825 million.  Trade him now to somewhere that can give him the minutes, and get what you can in return.

For me it's not even about PJ3 at this point.  While I do think that PJ3 is more useful than James Young is, I also think an empty roster spot, a trade exception, even a small one, and a future pick are also more useful.  I'm sure there are D-leaguers who can contribute more over the next three seasons (the length of Young's rookie deal if all options are picked up) than C's will get from Young.

[Celtics4ever]

The funny thing is a quarter of the guys Ainge has picked recently lack confidence,  I think KO and Young fall in this bracket.   One has too much, to the extent that he thinks we will play him, even when he was so fat, that people wanted to chuck harpoons and he did not feel the need to keep in shape.

Give me the Rozier and Mickey's with their chips on their shoulders.   That is a great motivation any day.  I think Hunter's balanced approach of his attitude as well.   KO would be a lot better if he played with more aggression.   I think that the same would be true of Young.   He needs to defer less and assert more.  That being said, I think a lot of it is going against Crowder in practice that would not be easy.  Some of it is because he is kid still.

[rollie mass]

just watched a video of a little one on one with turner at sundays practice-it just seems young doesn't have quick feet or reaction time-but i watched him with the dribbling exercise while pushing buttons on wall and he seemed quite quick
we just have to think like he is a 20yr old rookie
that 20lb of muscle i think somebodies taking a bit of poetic license there

[spikelovetheCelts]

People keep talking about his rookie deal, but Ainge has to decide whether to pick up his option for NEXT year at the end of THIS month.  What on earth has James Young shown that says his option should be picked up?  And if you're not going to pick up his option for next year, then there's no reason to keep him this year.

If his deal were already guaranteed for next year, it might make more sense.  But as it isn't, there's no reason to commit to paying him another $1.825 million.  Trade him now to somewhere that can give him the minutes, and get what you can in return.

For me it's not even about PJ3 at this point.  While I do think that PJ3 is more useful than James Young is, I also think an empty roster spot, a trade exception, even a small one, and a future pick are also more useful.  I'm sure there are D-leaguers who can contribute more over the next three seasons (the length of Young's rookie deal if all options are picked up) than C's will get from YoZng.

Danny has till summer to pick up option. I believe.

[LooseCannon]

People keep talking about his rookie deal, but Ainge has to decide whether to pick up his option for NEXT year at the end of THIS month.  What on earth has James Young shown that says his option should be picked up?  And if you're not going to pick up his option for next year, then there's no reason to keep him this year.

If his deal were already guaranteed for next year, it might make more sense.  But as it isn't, there's no reason to commit to paying him another $1.825 million.  Trade him now to somewhere that can give him the minutes, and get what you can in return.

For me it's not even about PJ3 at this point.  While I do think that PJ3 is more useful than James Young is, I also think an empty roster spot, a trade exception, even a small one, and a future pick are also more useful.  I'm sure there are D-leaguers who can contribute more over the next three seasons (the length of Young's rookie deal if all options are picked up) than C's will get from YoZng.

Danny has till summer to pick up option. I believe.

For a player on a rookie-scale contract, you have until October 31 (or November 2 this year, since October 31 is a Saturday) before the player's second season to exercise the third-year option.  So, Ainge has until November 2, 2015 to exercise Young's option for 2016-2017.

[Moranis]

People keep talking about his rookie deal, but Ainge has to decide whether to pick up his option for NEXT year at the end of THIS month.  What on earth has James Young shown that says his option should be picked up?  And if you're not going to pick up his option for next year, then there's no reason to keep him this year.

If his deal were already guaranteed for next year, it might make more sense.  But as it isn't, there's no reason to commit to paying him another $1.825 million.  Trade him now to somewhere that can give him the minutes, and get what you can in return.

For me it's not even about PJ3 at this point.  While I do think that PJ3 is more useful than James Young is, I also think an empty roster spot, a trade exception, even a small one, and a future pick are also more useful.  I'm sure there are D-leaguers who can contribute more over the next three seasons (the length of Young's rookie deal if all options are picked up) than C's will get from YoZng.

Danny has till summer to pick up option. I believe.

For a player on a rookie-scale contract, you have until October 31 (or November 2 this year, since October 31 is a Saturday) before the player's second season to exercise the third-year option.  So, Ainge has until November 2, 2015 to exercise Young's option for 2016-2017.

Side thought, I get why most business would move a Saturday to Monday, but the NBA plays 7 days a week.  Seems like there is really no reason to move things off of the weekend like that.