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Thornton in Australia
« on: September 22, 2015, 05:46:32 PM »

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In case anyone besides me is following Marcus Thornton, here is a story about his first game in Australia, a preseason one.  He did well...watch the video to see all 7 of his 3 pointers.  He shot 7-13 from beyond the arc.  I did not see anyone else post this, but if it has been, I apologize for posting it again!

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/09/boston_celtics_draft_pick_marc.html

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Excellent, thanks for posting!

Re: Thornton in Australia
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In case anyone besides me is following Marcus Thornton, here is a story about his first game in Australia, a preseason one.  He did well...watch the video to see all 7 of his 3 pointers.  He shot 7-13 from beyond the arc.  I did not see anyone else post this, but if it has been, I apologize for posting it again!

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/09/boston_celtics_draft_pick_marc.html

tommy point!!

Re: Thornton in Australia
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2015, 06:56:15 PM »

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If he had gone there instead of college he would have probably ended up a top 5 pick like Dante Exum, LOL

Re: Thornton in Australia
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2015, 07:19:27 PM »

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Re: Thornton in Australia
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I live near Sydney, I will be checking out some of the regular season games! Looking forward to it.

Re: Thornton in Australia
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2015, 07:42:28 PM »

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Not a surprise at all - as an Australian I have seen the level of competition here.

There is a serious lack of size, athleticism and talent here compared to in the US.  Ifyou imagine a lineup of David Lee / Dajuan Blair / Keith Bogans / Jason Terry / Jameer Nelson then that would look a lot like the typical NBL player at each position in terms of size and athleticism. 

Needless to say, by NBA standards all of those guys would generally be considered below average in terms of size and athleticism at this stage in their careers, so if you aren't familiar with the NBL that should give you some idea of how much advantage US college and pro players have over guys in the NBL over here.

NBA scrubs who can't get on a team tend to absolute dominate the NBL.  For example, Josh Childress was the best player in the NBL last season, ranking first in scoring, 1st in rebounds and 5th in assists and generally dominating the league.  This is the same Josh Childress who would (at this point in his career) really struggle to find a spot on any NBA roster.

Just to put it into perspective, in the NBL in 2014/15:
* Only 4 players averaged 18 PPG or higher
* Only 1 player averaged over 8 RPG
* Only 1 player averaged over 5 APG

Even mediocre college players (guys who aren't good enough to get drafted) who come over here tend to immediately become a top 2 player on whatever team they play on.   

Thornton was ranked 17th in the NCAA in scoring (20 PPG) which ranked him above some very highly rated scorers including RJ Hunter, D'Angelo Russell, Frank Kaminsky,  He also shot nice percentages for a PG, shooting 45/40/83.  The guy can score.

He's also got decent size for a PG, even by NBA standards.  He's listed at listed at 6'4" @ NCAA, 6'3" / 190 lbs @ CBS sports, and 6'3" / 177 lbs @ draft express.  He also has a 6'8" wingspan, which is only 1" shorter than Rajon Rondo and is relative to his height.

On top of all that, his athletic measurements rank him one of the best (if not the best) pure athletic in this year's draft.  His max vertical of 43" is insane, and his sprint & lane agility scores were off the charts.

I know it's not often that late 2nd round picks end up overachieving and becoming good NBA players, but if there is any late 2nd rounder from this draft that has the potential to do that I think Thornton is right up there.

Having a guy with his combination of size, athleticism and scoring ability here in Australia - I'd say he has a very legit shot at instantly become the NBL leading scorer and a top 3 - 5 player in the NBL. 


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Not a surprise at all - as an Australian I have seen the level of competition here.

There is a terrible lack of size, athleticism and talent here compared to in the US.  The average height of a center here is probably 6'9", power forwards here tend to be around 6'7" - 6'8", and 6'2" shooting guards are pretty common place.  I still remember Simon Dwight (who was a very good center here, and one of the NBL's best shot-blockers of all time) was about 6'9 - 6'10" and by NBL standards he was a big guy.

In addition to that the guys here tend to have very mediocre athleticism - it's very rare to see a guy with Dante Exum's combination of height / athleticism and talent.

NBA scrubs who can't get on a team tend to absolute dominate the NBL.  For example, Josh Childress ranked first in scoring, 1st in rebounds and 5th in assists in the 2014/15 season.

Just to put it into perspective, in the NBL in 2014/15:
* Only 4 players averaged 18 PPG or higher
* Only 1 player averaged over 8 RPG
* Only 1 player averaged over 5 APG

Even mediocre college players (guys who aren't good enough to get drafted) who come over here tend to immediately become a top 2 player on whatever team they play on.   

Thornton was ranked 17th in the NCAA in scoring (20 PPG) which ranked him above some very highly rated scorers including RJ Hunter, D'Angelo Russell, Frank Kaminsky,  He also shot nice percentages for a PG, shooting 45/40/83.  The guy can score.

He's also got decent size for a PG, even by NBA standards.  He's listed at listed at 6'4" @ NCAA, 6'3" / 190 lbs @ CBS sports, and 6'3" / 177 lbs @ draft express.  He also has a 6'8" wingspan, which is only 1" shorter than Rajon Rondo and is relative to his height.

On top of all that, his athletic measurements rank him one of the best (if not the best) pure athletic in this year's draft.  His max vertical of 43" is insane, and his sprint & lane agility scores were off the charts.

I know it's not often that late 2nd round picks end up overachieving and becoming good NBA players, but if there is any late 2nd rounder from this draft that has the potential to do that I think Thornton is right up there.

Having a guy with his combination of size, athleticism and scoring ability here in Australia - I'd say he has a very legit shot at instantly become the NBL leading scorer and a top 3 - 5 player in the NBL.

you're Aussie?
Me too :)

My wife is from Boston and we've lived there but we are currently living in Adelaide....definitely going to watch Thornton when the 36ers play the Kings.
I hate the NBL for all the reasons you've outlayed...but I'll go to watch Thornton- the stadium is about 10 minutes from my house.

Where in Aus are you?
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Re: Thornton in Australia
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2015, 08:14:30 PM »

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Not a surprise at all - as an Australian I have seen the level of competition here.

There is a terrible lack of size, athleticism and talent here compared to in the US.  The average height of a center here is probably 6'9", power forwards here tend to be around 6'7" - 6'8", and 6'2" shooting guards are pretty common place.  I still remember Simon Dwight (who was a very good center here, and one of the NBL's best shot-blockers of all time) was about 6'9 - 6'10" and by NBL standards he was a big guy.

In addition to that the guys here tend to have very mediocre athleticism - it's very rare to see a guy with Dante Exum's combination of height / athleticism and talent.

NBA scrubs who can't get on a team tend to absolute dominate the NBL.  For example, Josh Childress ranked first in scoring, 1st in rebounds and 5th in assists in the 2014/15 season.

Just to put it into perspective, in the NBL in 2014/15:
* Only 4 players averaged 18 PPG or higher
* Only 1 player averaged over 8 RPG
* Only 1 player averaged over 5 APG

Even mediocre college players (guys who aren't good enough to get drafted) who come over here tend to immediately become a top 2 player on whatever team they play on.   

Thornton was ranked 17th in the NCAA in scoring (20 PPG) which ranked him above some very highly rated scorers including RJ Hunter, D'Angelo Russell, Frank Kaminsky,  He also shot nice percentages for a PG, shooting 45/40/83.  The guy can score.

He's also got decent size for a PG, even by NBA standards.  He's listed at listed at 6'4" @ NCAA, 6'3" / 190 lbs @ CBS sports, and 6'3" / 177 lbs @ draft express.  He also has a 6'8" wingspan, which is only 1" shorter than Rajon Rondo and is relative to his height.

On top of all that, his athletic measurements rank him one of the best (if not the best) pure athletic in this year's draft.  His max vertical of 43" is insane, and his sprint & lane agility scores were off the charts.

I know it's not often that late 2nd round picks end up overachieving and becoming good NBA players, but if there is any late 2nd rounder from this draft that has the potential to do that I think Thornton is right up there.

Having a guy with his combination of size, athleticism and scoring ability here in Australia - I'd say he has a very legit shot at instantly become the NBL leading scorer and a top 3 - 5 player in the NBL.

you're Aussie?
Me too :)

My wife is from Boston and we've lived there but we are currently living in Adelaide....definitely going to watch Thornton when the 36ers play the Kings.
I hate the NBL for all the reasons you've outlayed...but I'll go to watch Thornton- the stadium is about 10 minutes from my house.

Where in Aus are you?

Haha same

I live in Sydney - I have a couple of friends from school who used to be on NBL rosters (back when the Razorbacks were still a team) so I used to watch the league quite enthusiastically back then, but I just got bored of the game in general (it's so slowwwww and is played almost entirely below the rim, so it's just so tedious to watch) and when the Razorbacks got screwed over by the Bulldogs/council that was kinda the last straw for me.

I watch US college games and I'm like "wow, this is so much better than our pro league" haha

I swear the guys in the US don't know how lucky they are to be able to go to the stadiums and watch NBA games live.  I'd get on my knees and beg just for the chance to see the two worst teams in the NBA play an exhibition game lol

Re: Thornton in Australia
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2015, 10:52:46 PM »

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I also live in Sydney and would generally rather watch the NBA on a decent TV than the NBL live. It has to be said though that the NBL has had a tortured existence and, despite the number of Australians in the NBA, basketball hasn't grown here the way I thought it would a few years back. Will be happy to go see Thornton playing for the Kings.

Good to see more young kids in basketball tops (NBA) again here. It was all EPL, Real Madrid and other soccer teams for a while. Most NBA tops I have seen since the Chicago tops of the 80s/90s.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 12:08:37 AM »

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Not a surprise at all - as an Australian I have seen the level of competition here.

There is a terrible lack of size, athleticism and talent here compared to in the US.  The average height of a center here is probably 6'9", power forwards here tend to be around 6'7" - 6'8", and 6'2" shooting guards are pretty common place.  I still remember Simon Dwight (who was a very good center here, and one of the NBL's best shot-blockers of all time) was about 6'9 - 6'10" and by NBL standards he was a big guy.

In addition to that the guys here tend to have very mediocre athleticism - it's very rare to see a guy with Dante Exum's combination of height / athleticism and talent.

NBA scrubs who can't get on a team tend to absolute dominate the NBL.  For example, Josh Childress ranked first in scoring, 1st in rebounds and 5th in assists in the 2014/15 season.

Just to put it into perspective, in the NBL in 2014/15:
* Only 4 players averaged 18 PPG or higher
* Only 1 player averaged over 8 RPG
* Only 1 player averaged over 5 APG

Even mediocre college players (guys who aren't good enough to get drafted) who come over here tend to immediately become a top 2 player on whatever team they play on.   

Thornton was ranked 17th in the NCAA in scoring (20 PPG) which ranked him above some very highly rated scorers including RJ Hunter, D'Angelo Russell, Frank Kaminsky,  He also shot nice percentages for a PG, shooting 45/40/83.  The guy can score.

He's also got decent size for a PG, even by NBA standards.  He's listed at listed at 6'4" @ NCAA, 6'3" / 190 lbs @ CBS sports, and 6'3" / 177 lbs @ draft express.  He also has a 6'8" wingspan, which is only 1" shorter than Rajon Rondo and is relative to his height.

On top of all that, his athletic measurements rank him one of the best (if not the best) pure athletic in this year's draft.  His max vertical of 43" is insane, and his sprint & lane agility scores were off the charts.

I know it's not often that late 2nd round picks end up overachieving and becoming good NBA players, but if there is any late 2nd rounder from this draft that has the potential to do that I think Thornton is right up there.

Having a guy with his combination of size, athleticism and scoring ability here in Australia - I'd say he has a very legit shot at instantly become the NBL leading scorer and a top 3 - 5 player in the NBL.

you're Aussie?
Me too :)

My wife is from Boston and we've lived there but we are currently living in Adelaide....definitely going to watch Thornton when the 36ers play the Kings.
I hate the NBL for all the reasons you've outlayed...but I'll go to watch Thornton- the stadium is about 10 minutes from my house.

Where in Aus are you?

Haha same

I live in Sydney - I have a couple of friends from school who used to be on NBL rosters (back when the Razorbacks were still a team) so I used to watch the league quite enthusiastically back then, but I just got bored of the game in general (it's so slowwwww and is played almost entirely below the rim, so it's just so tedious to watch) and when the Razorbacks got screwed over by the Bulldogs/council that was kinda the last straw for me.

I watch US college games and I'm like "wow, this is so much better than our pro league" haha

I swear the guys in the US don't know how lucky they are to be able to go to the stadiums and watch NBA games live.  I'd get on my knees and beg just for the chance to see the two worst teams in the NBA play an exhibition game lol

Yeah tell me about it...whenever we go to the USA to see my wifes family I always make sure we go to pretty much any home game that's on in Boston.

I actually played state for NSW metro and made the junior Australian team as point guard for under 16's...so I probably know those guys you're talking about...Speaking of the Bankstown area...
best player out of Sydney in the last 10 years was easily Stephen Marcovic. Unfortunately suffered from glass ankles but could have easily played NBA if healthy...he still played in the NBL for the Razorbacks but was a shell of himself and what he once was.

Anyway can't wait to see Thornton destroy our chumps here in Adelaide.

« Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 03:57:47 AM by chambers »
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Re: Thornton in Australia
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2015, 02:11:35 PM »

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Pretty quiet debut for Thornton in Sydney's easy 87-63 win over Cairns.

Playing time 28:52. 9 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists. FG 3-11, 3P 1-7, FT 2-2.

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2015, 05:03:19 PM »

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The Kings and Thornton have had some good coverage in the Sydney papers over the last week (it was nice to see a colour picture of a Celtic's top on a pic taken in Summer League). The local league certainly can use all the publicity it can get and Thornton playing here has helped that. Sounds like a quietish start but in a comfortable win.

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2015, 03:49:24 AM »

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I'm surprised Thorton couldn't catch on with some NBA team. Or at least a better league.

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2015, 06:34:44 AM »

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I'm surprised Thorton couldn't catch on with some NBA team. Or at least a better league.

He couldn't catch onto an NBA team because we have his rights, and he's playing in A US for the shorter season that will let him play in the D-League late in the year
I'm bitter.