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Edit: 4 years, $52 million. INSANELY good value for Charlotte. He's getting paid marginally more than Iguodala was when he signed with the Warriors under a larger cap and with far more potential and upside.

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Great deal for Charlotte.


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overpay

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Edit: 4 years, $52 million. INSANELY good value for Charlotte. He's getting paid marginally more than Iguodala was when he signed with the Warriors under a larger cap and with far more potential and upside.

I don't think MKG will ever have the ability to win a finals MVP tbh.


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Considering his age/potential and improvement he's shown, it's a good deal for Charlotte.
Especially given their difficulties to attract bigger stars.

For Charlotte it ends up being about 14% of the cap in 2016.
But when the cap reaches $108 million in 2017, it will be only 12% of their total cap.
Good comparison to us would be Jeff Green's deal at $9 million of a 58 million cap which was 15.5% of the total cap.

Does MKG have the potential to be a better/more impactful player than Jeff Green? Absolutely.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
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Edit: 4 years, $52 million. INSANELY good value for Charlotte. He's getting paid marginally more than Iguodala was when he signed with the Warriors under a larger cap and with far more potential and upside.

I don't think MKG will ever have the ability to win a finals MVP tbh.

Iguodala led the Sixers in scoring for three straight seasons, and in win share for four seasons. By way of comparison...

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Nope.

Does MKG have the potential to be a better/more impactful player than Jeff Green? Absolutely.

He's already been infinitely more impactful than Jeff Green in just three years due to his defense alone.

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Edit: 4 years, $52 million. INSANELY good value for Charlotte. He's getting paid marginally more than Iguodala was when he signed with the Warriors under a larger cap and with far more potential and upside.

It's a solid deal, but I wouldn't describe it as "INSANELY good value".

Personally, I think Avery Bradley at $7M/Year is far better value than MKG at $13M/Year.

Sure Bradley lacks MKG's defensive versatility (because of size), but then Bradley is also a FAR superior offensive player - wheras MKG is really a defensive role player at best. 

I would say Bradley's contract is Insanely good value right now (with the rising cap) while this proposed deal for MKG is merely 'solid value'. 

You have to consider that most people on this forum were arguing that they didn't want us going after Greg Monroe for a max ($16M - $17M) because they felt he wasn't worth that.  Greg Monroe is a far, far, far better player than MKG.   


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Edit: 4 years, $52 million. INSANELY good value for Charlotte. He's getting paid marginally more than Iguodala was when he signed with the Warriors under a larger cap and with far more potential and upside.

I don't think MKG will ever have the ability to win a finals MVP tbh.

Iguodala led the Sixers in scoring for three straight seasons, and in win share for four seasons. By way of comparison...

I don't think the OP is arguing that MKG's upside is higher than Iggy's was in general.  I think the OP is moreso arguing that MKG has more room to grow than Iggy did when the Warriors signed him (at which point he was in a way already starting to decline). 

That's a fair argument, but I certainly don't think MKG will ever be as good a player as Iggy was in his prime.  Iggy consistently carried the sixers on both ends of the floor after AI's departure, and has an all-around versatility that MKG can't match given his passing ability, ball handling, reboudning, scoring at the basket, jumpshot, defense, etc.

MKG matches him on defense and on the boards, but that's really about it. 

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Nope.

Does MKG have the potential to be a better/more impactful player than Jeff Green? Absolutely.

He's already been infinitely more impactful than Jeff Green in just three years due to his defense alone.

I can't completely agree with you there. He's a good defender and works his butt off but he's a small forward that can't shoot.
He literally is one of the top 5 worst shooters in the NBA. He didnt even attempt a 3 point shot last season. But with some work, he may become a solid all round player - which is how I'd describe Jeff Green.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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This makes me feel much much better about the Crowder deal now. 13 per is a huge overpay for a defensive role player.

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This makes me feel much much better about the Crowder deal now. 13 per is a huge overpay for a defensive role player.

I don't think it's a huge overpay given MKG's potential. I think rather than an overpay for MKG, it brings focus to your point about Crowder being an absolute bargain. He is an absolute-fricken-bargain.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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This makes me feel much much better about the Crowder deal now. 13 per is a huge overpay for a defensive role player.

I don't think it's a huge overpay given MKG's potential. I think rather than an overpay for MKG, it brings focus to your point about Crowder being an absolute bargain. He is an absolute-fricken-bargain.

If Crowder can get himself to shoot 33-35% from 3, he'll have one of the best contracts in the league. Crowder is a good player, and he's getting better. I love guys from Marquette. I think he can possibly take a leap to starting SF long-term if his shot develops. We have a guy who can actually defend LeBron and could be a 12-5 guy in a good role.

Major steal for 6 mil a year.  Teams will ask for him in a major trade.

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Fair value given the rising cap.

I hope MKG improves his offensive game. He is a wonderful defender. Best defensive SF in the league for my money.

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This makes me feel much much better about the Crowder deal now. 13 per is a huge overpay for a defensive role player.

I don't think it's a huge overpay given MKG's potential. I think rather than an overpay for MKG, it brings focus to your point about Crowder being an absolute bargain. He is an absolute-fricken-bargain.
fair point in comparison to Crowder but I do think it is an overpay for MKG.  Great defensive players but his offense sucks.  I wouldn't have paid him more than 9-10 mill a season until he showed some offensive improvement.  Makes Rondo look like a sharpshooter.