don't trade zeller-----------space and pace

[rollie mass]

just watched highlite s 2015 both lee and amir,they both have mature physiques very liitle vertical and don't seems to run the court like zeller or jerebko and kelly-
good in pick and roll and solid frames give them a inside game thats very effective-lee and amir on court will change the pace we had with those young guys-
i may be wrong i think zeller is just as effective with his outside shot at 60% and his flip hooks and kelly puts it on the floor more like a quard than those two battle tanks, and has more range with his 3's
don't sell zeller short he runs centers to death ,hits 10-18 footer at remarkable rate and nice touch at rim-his pick and roll looks much quicker-
i would love to be corrected-----------,space and pace

[Celtics4ever]

it really depends on what videos you watch.

Amir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKwPKoGmT0M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re65Ew1xbpk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAsoDAEIX3Y

He has ankle issues, and that is different than of lack of vertical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn61mR6C0ko

He could really jump back in HS.

That being said, I do not want to get rid of Zeller, he has some length and can run the floor.   He is efficient when he shoots too.   I do want us to get rid of guys who do not play good help defense, run the floor and can't stay in front of their man.

[Csfan1984]

Different guys bring different things. For this team to win it's going to have take advantage of all the match-ups possible. That means substitutions and minutes will change for every player. The full roster has to put in work all year.

[chilidawg]

just watched highlite s 2015 both lee and amir,they both have mature physiques very liitle vertical and don't seems to run the court like zeller or jerebko and kelly-
good in pick and roll and solid frames give them a inside game thats very effective-lee and amir on court will change the pace we had with those young guys-
i may be wrong i think zeller is just as effective with his outside shot at 60% and his flip hooks and kelly puts it on the floor more like a quard than those two battle tanks, and has more range with his 3's
don't sell zeller short he runs centers to death ,hits 10-18 footer at remarkable rate and nice touch at rim-his pick and roll looks much quicker-
i would love to be corrected-----------,space and pace

I think you're right about Zeller being undervalued, I really like his game.  Amir's got more athleticism than you're giving him credit for, if he's 100%.  I'm less enthused about Lee.

Space and Pace!

[rollie mass]

tyler has that rangy build that will fill out
,also he is durable
he doesn't extend himself and is economic and plays witin himself,he will put up a soft layup vs a dunk,
is very consistent foul shooter and from where i sit plays excellant positional d
handles the ball well-
as tommy said" call me crazy but this kid is a steal-"

[ahonui06]

Pretty sure Zeller will be around Boston and Sullinger is the more likely trade chip. He puts up great numbers when healthy but replicates the same abilities of some of the other frontcourt players.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

I'm not sure how you can title a thread 'don't trade zeller', in other words, I do not think any GM would ever say no to a trade because the other team asked for Zeller. Tyler Zeller is extremely tradeable, the problem is no teams want him. No teams want a center who gets physically dominated in the post. Ok he can outrun the other center sometimes, that is only a few plays a game whereas Zeller regularly gets dominated under the basket. You saw him get tossed aside countless times last season, he is not strong enough, he cannot stand up to any real centers. So how can you say 'don't trade zeller'? The guy is barely passable as a 2nd line center on a decent roster.

[mgent]

WTH, both Lee and Johnson are effective outside shooters/spacers.  Watch some of their games?

Stevens wants spacers, and that's exactly what he got.  Why would he defer from his own stategy?

[Beat LA]

I'm not sure how you can title a thread 'don't trade zeller', in other words, I do not think any GM would ever say no to a trade because the other team asked for Zeller. Tyler Zeller is extremely tradeable, the problem is no teams want him. No teams want a center who gets physically dominated in the post. Ok he can outrun the other center sometimes, that is only a few plays a game whereas Zeller regularly gets dominated under the basket. You saw him get tossed aside countless times last season, he is not strong enough, he cannot stand up to any real centers. So how can you say 'don't trade zeller'? The guy is barely passable as a 2nd line center on a decent roster.

Yeah, he has a nice outside shot and some surprisingly good post moves that we see once in a blue moon, but at the same time, he doesn't really rebound, nor does he block any shots.  He's okay, but I'd much rather have Henry Sims.

[BDeCosta26]

I'm not sure how you can title a thread 'don't trade zeller', in other words, I do not think any GM would ever say no to a trade because the other team asked for Zeller. Tyler Zeller is extremely tradeable, the problem is no teams want him. No teams want a center who gets physically dominated in the post. Ok he can outrun the other center sometimes, that is only a few plays a game whereas Zeller regularly gets dominated under the basket. You saw him get tossed aside countless times last season, he is not strong enough, he cannot stand up to any real centers. So how can you say 'don't trade zeller'? The guy is barely passable as a 2nd line center on a decent roster.

Yeah, he has a nice outside shot and some surprisingly good post moves that we see once in a blue moon, but at the same time, he doesn't really rebound, nor does he block any shots.  He's okay, but I'd much rather have Henry Sims.

What?! Sims is a borderline NBA player. Zeller showed last year he'll be a legit back-up C going forward. He's very good on the break, makes smart plays, excellent on the P&R and has crafty moves near the basket. Even defensively, he's limited but passable. I think he improved there last year and can still continue to do so.

Henry Sims got less than 20 minutes a game playing on the Sixers. I don't know if he could get more than mop up minutes playing for just about any other team in the league. Zeller certainly could. I know we normally don't agree, but that's just too much.

[Beat LA]

I'm not sure how you can title a thread 'don't trade zeller', in other words, I do not think any GM would ever say no to a trade because the other team asked for Zeller. Tyler Zeller is extremely tradeable, the problem is no teams want him. No teams want a center who gets physically dominated in the post. Ok he can outrun the other center sometimes, that is only a few plays a game whereas Zeller regularly gets dominated under the basket. You saw him get tossed aside countless times last season, he is not strong enough, he cannot stand up to any real centers. So how can you say 'don't trade zeller'? The guy is barely passable as a 2nd line center on a decent roster.

Yeah, he has a nice outside shot and some surprisingly good post moves that we see once in a blue moon, but at the same time, he doesn't really rebound, nor does he block any shots.  He's okay, but I'd much rather have Henry Sims.

What?! Sims is a borderline NBA player. Zeller showed last year he'll be a legit back-up C going forward. He's very good on the break, makes smart plays, excellent on the P&R and has crafty moves near the basket. Even defensively, he's limited but passable. I think he improved there last year and can still continue to do so.

Henry Sims got less than 20 minutes a game playing on the Sixers. I don't know if he could get more than mop up minutes playing for just about any other team in the league. Zeller certainly could. I know we normally don't agree, but that's just too much.

Sorry.  I'm not trying to provoke you or anything.  Sims is one of my favorite players, and he should have been a Celtic in the 2012 draft.  Have you ever seen him play?  He can pass, score with either hand on the block (which is incredibly rare), rebound, defend, run the floor, hit the midrange and faceup shot until the cows come home, and is a no-nonsense, old school kind of player, imo.  He also has a 7'4" wingspan, which helps a lot, defensively, as I'm sure you're aware of.  I'm not saying he's a franchise cornerstone or anything, but I'd rather have him than KO, Zeller, Sully (his weight and attitude are too much of a risk, long term, imo, plus I hate that we have someone on the team associated with domestic violence), and Amir.  He'd also cost next to nothing, btw.  I would probably take him over Lee, too, because at least Sims can defend, lol . Have a look on youtube for some of his highlights.  You might just be pleasantly surprised .

[hwangjini_1]

I'm not sure how you can title a thread 'don't trade zeller', in other words, I do not think any GM would ever say no to a trade because the other team asked for Zeller. Tyler Zeller is extremely tradeable, the problem is no teams want him. No teams want a center who gets physically dominated in the post. Ok he can outrun the other center sometimes, that is only a few plays a game whereas Zeller regularly gets dominated under the basket. You saw him get tossed aside countless times last season, he is not strong enough, he cannot stand up to any real centers. So how can you say 'don't trade zeller'? The guy is barely passable as a 2nd line center on a decent roster.

agree and then disagree. zeller is a very good backup center. when he is not pitted against the "real centers" of the nba he does very nicely. much of what you are commenting on should not happen next year since amir johnson will be the starting center.

then again, after johnson, i have no idea what the rotation for minutes at center will be for the celtics. CBS has some tough choices to make.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Pretty sure Zeller played at a heck of a University..

[rollie mass]

zeller at end of season would start fast and hit from outside forcing starters on opposing teams center to come out,he hit that outside shot at 60%level that is a remarkable %-a good ploy by brad-zeller was also very proficent handling the ball-he plays positional d and suffered from lack of continuity-look at his improvement from beginning of season-also when he starts he runs those bigs which effects them later in game -last year i commented that tyler would start scoring fast and then hit the bench-brad saw the advantage he had with lazy bigs
zeller thinned out from beginning of season,i think zeller will be an elite backup center and continue to improve and thrive under brad-durable ,can shoot,runs the court,hits his foul shots ,handles the ball well,soft touch ,sliiled moves inside,pick and roll-consistent and great teamate-

[rollie mass]

the first few months of season zeller was scoring about 6pt, wasn't till dec he started to increase-ended season strong avg 12 per 21 minutes for season 10 per 21 min and 11 post all star--this was only third season 2nd team and first with brad-