Some interesting championship facts

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Isiah should have been the MVP for the 88-89 season, at least, imo, but his statements about Bird probably meant that many of the voters would never, well, vote for him, which is a shame, too, because he deserved it that year.

Shame on you

[Csfan1984]

That is up there with top ten picks on a championship team. And big men selected in top ten on a championship team.

Drafting is a crap shoot. You have guys like Olowakandi, Kwame, Darko and Thabeet, all big men drafted at top 5.

Players outside top 10 also managed not to only win DPOY but also MVPs.

MVP Players drafted outside top 10:

- Karl Malone (13th overall)
- Steve Nash (15th overall)
- Kobe Bryant (13th overall)

DPOY Players drafted outside top 10:

- Mark Eaton (72nd overall)
- Dennis Rodman (27th overall)
- Ben Wallace (Undrafted)
- Ron Artest (16th overall)
- Michael Cooper (60th overall)
- Kawhi Leonard (15th overall)
- Marc Gasol (48th overall)

This means that we have a good chance of landing some DPOY players, even outside the top 10 in the draft and its also possible to find MVP type players around 11-15 range although very unlikely.

You kind of took the statement in another direction. I'm saying championship teams usually have a player drafted in the top ten. Often there is a big man drafted in the top ten. It's a strange coincidence I researched. It's nothing about mvp or dpoy related simply championship team related.

[obnoxiousmime]

That is up there with top ten picks on a championship team. And big men selected in top ten on a championship team.

Drafting is a crap shoot. You have guys like Olowakandi, Kwame, Darko and Thabeet, all big men drafted at top 5.

Players outside top 10 also managed not to only win DPOY but also MVPs.

MVP Players drafted outside top 10:

- Karl Malone (13th overall)
- Steve Nash (15th overall)
- Kobe Bryant (13th overall)

DPOY Players drafted outside top 10:

- Mark Eaton (72nd overall)
- Dennis Rodman (27th overall)
- Ben Wallace (Undrafted)
- Ron Artest (16th overall)
- Michael Cooper (60th overall)
- Kawhi Leonard (15th overall)
- Marc Gasol (48th overall)

This means that we have a good chance of landing some DPOY players, even outside the top 10 in the draft and its also possible to find MVP type players around 11-15 range although very unlikely.

You kind of took the statement in another direction. I'm saying championship teams usually have a player drafted in the top ten. Often there is a big man drafted in the top ten. It's a strange coincidence I researched. It's nothing about mvp or dpoy related simply championship team related.

The guys who win MVP tend to be those no-doubt guys who are so good they are no-brainers to be an early (say, top 3) pick in the draft.

I don't really include Kobe in the discussion because that was during the period where high schoolers were coming out and were very difficult to scout, leading to some good ones being taken later than they probably would have if they went to college. Just one year of college can provide a lot of evidence of how good a player really is.

The Celtics saw the good (Jefferson at 15) and the bad (Green taken at 16 or 17, forgot) of that. HS players could be a huge crapshoot and teams were also reluctant to wait the extra year for them to mature on their dime.

[Big333223]

This is a little unfair, because the MVP and DPOY awards are subjective, and many voters consciously or unconsciously favor people on the best teams.

For example Carmelo Anthony in his prime was much better than Steph Curry is now IMO, but Steph has an MVP because he was the best player on the best team.

So this doesn't necessarily show that the best players make the best teams and not vice versa. I still agree with the conclusion that the best players do make the best teams in the NBA, but I don't think this is a perfect example of it.

This is a good point as well.
Perhaps guys like Curry get the MVP vote over Lebron or Harden because they are favored to win a championship, or their team is simply awesome and they are the best player on that team....in other words, the team makes the player and thus the player wins the MVP...

This is a good point about how the voting tends to work.