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Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2015, 12:04:19 AM »

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Lol 37 in the East sounds about right. 50 is asking for too much.  ;D


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Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2015, 12:26:39 AM »

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Pump the brakes!  50 wins?  Naaah, not buying it.. 40-45?  Yes, easily.  I'd be happy if we can get to .500 and see some major strides from the youngsters - in particular Smart, KO, Sully, Rozier, Hunter.

If Hunter progresses nicely, we might end up trading away AB at the trade deadline.  With David Lee and Amir Johnson added to the current core,  I find it hard to believe we'll finish with less than 40 wins.

Question - So now who does DA trade/get rid of to get us down to 15 contracts?  We have 16 guaranteed ATM.

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2015, 12:30:27 AM »

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A bit optimistic if you ask me. I put our ceiling- if absolutely everything goes right outside of trading for a superstar- at 52 wins. My realistic guess is about 44 or 45, with our wins more evenly spread throughout the two halves of the season.
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Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2015, 12:33:12 AM »

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I predicted 50 wins before, and we keep getting better.
Ainge is a genius.

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2015, 12:56:15 AM »

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I predicted 50 wins before, and we keep getting better.
Ainge is a genius.

I agree with you. I predicted 47 wins but I'm liking this team this year.  People blast the Red Sox for trading away all their young talent for overpaid players.  DA has built this with young players.  People will argue baseball is different.  I don't think so.  Players get recognition for winning and if you build it that's what it's about.

The celtics in general get a bad rap in the media in general when this team is going to be a beast to deal with imo.  Most of those guys don't  know what they are talking about.

There's no set way in how you have to build it.   Every team that wins teams say that's the way and teams try to emulate but it's the teams that set the standards that win.

Ainge's approach is very simple.  He is addressing what this team needs and just improving. Teams like Cleveland are no lock.

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2015, 01:29:19 AM »

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we may not have the best talent, but we have a really Deep roster----Stevens can throw numbers at teams, and wear them down...by the 4th quarter, we'll be in every game.
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Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2015, 01:33:22 AM »

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I'm standing by my call of 46.

This team is better than the one that went 25-12 down the stretch, but not so good that they're immune to a few 3 game losing streaks along the way.   

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2015, 03:50:14 AM »

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46 is reasonable. How is Stevens gonna keep all
these guys happy.

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2015, 04:32:51 AM »

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Cs were 24-12 after they went to a small ball lineup on 2/3, but that includes an early 3 game stretch against NYK, DEN, and PHI as well as the last 5 games of the season that were gimmies after the Cavs figured that putting a full effort to win a meaningless game wasn't smart. I prefer the 20-10 record of the Cs after IT first got in the lineup. He is not a great 2-way player, but he was a perfect fit when he gave the Cs a 4th quarter scorer.

20-10. Subtract the last 5 wins gets you to 15-10. Pro-rated over 82 games that projects to 49 wins. Adjust that 49 win projection downward 10%  (being conservative) for a slightly weaker schedule over that stretch gets you down to 44 wins before taking into account talent changes to the roster. Rookies might add a game, improvement from Smart, who knows what from KO or Sully in a contract year, nice solid, if not spectacular additions in Lee and Johnson and some carryover or synergy from the core group substantially returning. The loss of Pressey, Wallace, Datome, Babb and Bass from the season-end roster won’t cause any deep harm.

Going from a 44 game projection based on the core roster for the last part of 2014-15 season to 50 wins based on talent additions, player and HC development, and improved cohesion and confidence is not much of a reach. I’ll put my marker down for 50. Not yet a pretender, never mind a contender, but will continue to surprise and it puts us in better position for the 2016 offseason. Posters who project a falloff into the lower 30s will hopefully try to give some rational support and not just pull a number out of their posterior to get attention.

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2015, 05:13:24 AM »

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Cs were 24-12 after they went to a small ball lineup on 2/3, but that includes an early 3 game stretch against NYK, DEN, and PHI as well as the last 5 games of the season that were gimmies after the Cavs figured that putting a full effort to win a meaningless game wasn't smart. I prefer the 20-10 record of the Cs after IT first got in the lineup. He is not a great 2-way player, but he was a perfect fit when he gave the Cs a 4th quarter scorer.

20-10. Subtract the last 5 wins gets you to 15-10. Pro-rated over 82 games that projects to 49 wins. Adjust that 49 win projection downward 10%  (being conservative) for a slightly weaker schedule over that stretch gets you down to 44 wins before taking into account talent changes to the roster. Rookies might add a game, improvement from Smart, who knows what from KO or Sully in a contract year, nice solid, if not spectacular additions in Lee and Johnson and some carryover or synergy from the core group substantially returning. The loss of Pressey, Wallace, Datome, Babb and Bass from the season-end roster won’t cause any deep harm.

Going from a 44 game projection based on the core roster for the last part of 2014-15 season to 50 wins based on talent additions, player and HC development, and improved cohesion and confidence is not much of a reach. I’ll put my marker down for 50. Not yet a pretender, never mind a contender, but will continue to surprise and it puts us in better position for the 2016 offseason. Posters who project a falloff into the lower 30s will hopefully try to give some rational support and not just pull a number out of their posterior to get attention.

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Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2015, 05:57:47 AM »

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Sports Illustrated projects us to make 47 wins.

Obviously, this is a prediction, not a fact.

But for those that have been typing tirelessly in this forum that the optimist camp is engaging in wishful please sit back for a sec and consider.

We argued that the post-trade performance of the team is a better indicator for how the team will perform this year. (Because this roster is much more similar than when we had Rondo and JGreen in our starting five, duh)

We also claimed (not without evidence) that Amir and DLee, as well as our rookies, plug significant holes in our roster without us paying a high cost (ie, we still have some ammunition left for trades after the All-Star break).

And now there's the Sports Illustrated article - maybe C's diehard fans have infiltrated it to make Danny's case  ;D

I'm not saying, we optimists are right, you 'pessimists' are wrong. But just consider we have arguments too - do not switch immediately to the line 'oh, if you think this team is any good, it must be because of your green goggles'.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/16/nba-standings-predictions-hornets-thunder-celtics-blazers-mavericks
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Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2015, 06:52:44 AM »

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Celtics are no closer to a championship today than they were last yr.

and if they win 50 games they'll still be no closer.

but if winning a lot of games is the goal? then congrats!

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2015, 07:30:32 AM »

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Celtics are no closer to a championship today than they were last yr.

and if they win 50 games they'll still be no closer.

but if winning a lot of games is the goal? then congrats!

Congrats to you!! Two more tank stickers for your stickies collection.

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2015, 08:00:20 AM »

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we may not have the best talent, but we have a really Deep roster----Stevens can throw numbers at teams, and wear them down...by the 4th quarter, we'll be in every game.
  Trouble is, that we have had quite of few years of trouble scoring in the fourth.   Now Ainge made some additions that ought to help.   But do we really have a guy with the clutch gene?   Rozier has promise in that regard.   I am spoiled having watch PP for years.

Re: Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.
« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2015, 08:05:55 AM »

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we may not have the best talent, but we have a really Deep roster----Stevens can throw numbers at teams, and wear them down...by the 4th quarter, we'll be in every game.
  Trouble is, that we have had quite of few years of trouble scoring in the fourth.   Now Ainge made some additions that ought to help.   But do we really have a guy with the clutch gene?   Rozier has promise in that regard.   I am spoiled having watch PP for years.

Nail hit on head.

This team has the potential to win 45-50 but they desperately need a guy or two to step up. IT was near the top of the league in the 4th last year after the trade and kts no concidence that the celtics went on that run with him performing in that role.

If he can repeat that for a whole season it wiuld be great but im not sure its feasible. You typically need a guy with more size as IT can be nuetralized. Hes a great 2nd option late in games though.