if perry came out as is in this years draft

[rollie mass]

the whole exagerated  premise was to take perry as is today put him back in college with skills he acquired in 3 years as a pro and rank him in draft -the point was to try and overcome the bust label and give him some points for 3 years as a pro-my son played behind the 3 best point quards in england-one made all england squad another came from the national champions and the other went to play for real madrid-those boys were built like men  and my son thin, fast and skilled-they all got stuck at their 5-10 height and my son hit 6-5 as a point guard
,he always had a tough time overcoming the stigma and bullying they laid on him from practice being criticized for every shot and being bulied when they played offense.he had to play defense and offense on 2 players that were considered the best defensive guards in england and the other the best offensive-we were 2 minutes fron national champions at age 16
perry fly into vegas and get some positive press-

[Eja117]

Forgiving the alternate universe premise....how would this work? Would every player in the NBA the last three years go with him?

Could his draft stock slip when the 19 year olds Jahil and KA Townes crush him?

[konkmv]

Will he play more than crowder jj and turner at three? If he does it means he has some value.. but a lottery talent...?  Do not think so

[M.A.]

I'd take literally any positive production from him in any capacity.

[rollie mass]

Forgiving the alternate universe premise....how would this work? Would every player in the NBA the last three years go with him?

Could his draft stock slip when the 19 year olds Jahil and KA Townes crush him?

 
altenative universe says only perry-lets make it simpler how about sl-look what dwight powell and aron gordon did in a year and noah vonlea-how would he now stack up,we will know in a couple months -remember durant called him the best athlete in nba
those guys can't even crush mickey and holmes-winslow and d'angelo are not showing too well-randle having trouble

[droopdog7]

Man, the level of optimism (delusion) about this kid is off the charts.  He's talented sure.  But he's done close to nothing in his three years in the league.  He's 23 which as I have often explained, is not young in terms of devolopment. 

So basically, if we get anything at all from Jones (assuming he makes the team), then I guess it's a win.

[aingeforthree]

Man, the level of optimism (delusion) about this kid is off the charts.  He's talented sure.  But he's done close to nothing in his three years in the league.  He's 23 which as I have often explained, is not young in terms of devolopment. 

So basically, if we get anything at all from Jones (assuming he makes the team), then I guess it's a win.

Is it delusion though ?  That's what Ainge and company want to find out.  That's why its a smart & low risk move.

This player is far from a finished product.  He's never been a regular in the rotation, which is the main reason why he's done nothing in a three year span.  When Durant went down, he finally got a look, and finally got consistent minutes.

What did he do with those consistent minutes ? He had a three-game stretch of 22.7 points on 52.2 percent shooting, 5.0 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 38.7 minutes.

When he got the minutes, he performed.  That's what I saw.

He said the key for him during that stretch was that he finally got a green light to attack.  Much like IT4 did, I have a feeling Coach Stevens is going to give him that green light.  So I'm curious still.  Delusional ?  Maybe, but curious is the word I'd use.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I've been trying to think of some examples of players who performed poorly in limited opportunities over the first few years of their career, and then find a different team and take off during the middle years of their career. I'm looking for elite level talent, or guys who could start or play a significant role on a championship team.

Demarre Carroll, Danny Green, Kyle Lowry, Hassan Whiteside, Kris Middleton, and Aaron Afflalo, Robin Lopez and Marcin Gortat played well in limited minutes before they sign with a different team after their rookie contract.

Of those players, obviously Demarre Carroll and Kris Middleton both bear the most similarities in position and play style.

Carroll was drafted 27th in 2009 by the Grizzles. He was considered a tweener forward who was athletic, but not skilled enough for either position. From 2009-2012, he played for four teams, was very inefficient, and his minutes were spotty. Playing for Utah, he developed consistency and some efficiency, and that transferred to the Hawks when he signed a two year deal with them.

Middleton was drafted in 2012 (the same year as Jones) 39th overall by the Pistons. Although his numbers were decent that year, he fell out of grace with the coaching staff and was traded to the Bucks in the off-season after his rookie. He was listed as a power forward for part of his early career, but his perimeter skills developed and his 3 point shooting gave the Bucks the flexibility to play him on the wing.

It has been noted that Jones is a tweener forward, silky smooth athlete, and widely skilled in many areas of the game. However, he does not have any true strength, gets pushed around a bit, and lacks consistency.

There is precedent for players of Jones' skill and athleticism to develop into elite players, but there is also precedent for players like Jones to fade out of the league. Any way you look at it, being in a stable organization and playing for a heady coach like Stevens who employs a positionless style of basketball is the best place for player like Jones to develop.

I could argue that Jones' development was hurt by the Thunder's rigid, position-based, iso-heavy system.

[droopdog7]

Man, the level of optimism (delusion) about this kid is off the charts.  He's talented sure.  But he's done close to nothing in his three years in the league.  He's 23 which as I have often explained, is not young in terms of devolopment. 

So basically, if we get anything at all from Jones (assuming he makes the team), then I guess it's a win.

Is it delusion though ?  That's what Ainge and company want to find out.  That's why its a smart & low risk move.

This player is far from a finished product.  He's never been a regular in the rotation, which is the main reason why he's done nothing in a three year span.  When Durant went down, he finally got a look, and finally got consistent minutes.

What did he do with those consistent minutes ? He had a three-game stretch of 22.7 points on 52.2 percent shooting, 5.0 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 38.7 minutes.

When he got the minutes, he performed.  That's what I saw.

He said the key for him during that stretch was that he finally got a green light to attack.  Much like IT4 did, I have a feeling Coach Stevens is going to give him that green light.  So I'm curious still.  Delusional ?  Maybe, but curious is the word I'd use.

It's a flyer; no more, no less.  And that's fine, but I'm not going to expect much.

[rollie mass]

I've been trying to think of some examples of players who performed poorly in limited opportunities over the first few years of their career, and then find a different team and take off during the middle years of their career. I'm looking for elite level talent, or guys who could start or play a significant role on a championship team.

Demarre Carroll, Danny Green, Kyle Lowry, Hassan Whiteside, Kris Middleton, and Aaron Afflalo, Robin Lopez and Marcin Gortat played well in limited minutes before they sign with a different team after their rookie contract.
 
a tp for playing for a restrictive program tailored for iso stars
Of those players, obviously Demarre Carroll and Kris Middleton both bear the most similarities in position and play style.

Carroll was drafted 27th in 2009 by the Grizzles. He was considered a tweener forward who was athletic, but not skilled enough for either position. From 2009-2012, he played for four teams, was very inefficient, and his minutes were spotty. Playing for Utah, he developed consistency and some efficiency, and that transferred to the Hawks when he signed a two year deal with them.

Middleton was drafted in 2012 (the same year as Jones) 39th overall by the Pistons. Although his numbers were decent that year, he fell out of grace with the coaching staff and was traded to the Bucks in the off-season after his rookie. He was listed as a power forward for part of his early career, but his perimeter skills developed and his 3 point shooting gave the Bucks the flexibility to play him on the wing.

It has been noted that Jones is a tweener forward, silky smooth athlete, and widely skilled in many areas of the game. However, he does not have any true strength, gets pushed around a bit, and lacks consistency.

There is precedent for players of Jones' skill and athleticism to develop into elite players, but there is also precedent for players like Jones to fade out of the league. Any way you look at it, being in a stable organization and playing for a heady coach like Stevens who employs a positionless style of basketball is the best place for player like Jones to develop.

I could argue that Jones' development was hurt by the Thunder's rigid, position-based, iso-heavy system.

[Depalma2002]

He wasn't just red flagged, it was reported that some front offices/medical staff believes his knees had 3-4 good seasons. If true, he has basically reached his "peak." Take off those braces and let Forest RUN!

Well, if it's true that his knees had 3-4 "good" seasons, then he still has 3-4 left. He hasn't had a good season yet. 

[Rosco917]

Talent doesn't seem to be his problem.

Seldom do you see players with no motor, just turn it on all of a sudden. Because from the research I've looked at on him, that's his main deficiency.

But yes he's 23, and we have noting to loose trying to alter his mojo.

[SHAQATTACK]

Anyway

He is better than Fab .....

[JoeyAinge]

Smart/ Isiah/ Rozier
Bradley/Hunter/Young
PJIII/ Crowder/Turner
SULLY/Kelly/ Jerebko
Johnson/ Lee/ Zeller

Starting 5 by years end?

[I told you so]

Smart/ Isiah/ Rozier
Bradley/Hunter/Young
PJIII/ Crowder/Turner
SULLY/Kelly/ Jerebko
Johnson/ Lee/ Zeller

Starting 5 by years end?

In my opinion, its more likely Jones will be cut by the Celtics than become a starter.  He was given several chances to make his mark for OKC after Durant was gone for the season and dropped the ball every time ... Six points against the Twolves and zero points against the Knicks in back-to-back starts?  No excuse for that. The talent is obviously there, but the motor isn't. I'm not a James Young fan, but he's more likely to be a useful NBA player at age 23 than Jones is now.

I also predict that Lee will be the Celts' starting PF until he is traded for picks and/or prospects at the trade deadline.