Value of the 2 non guaranteed contracts

[LGC88]

Just a thought for these 2 assests :

- Johnson 12mil
- Jerebko 5mil

Next season, few teams will try to get Durant out of FA.
Imagine Durant is interested to go to the warriors.
Danny could ask for S&T of Barnes in exchange for these 2 contracts.
GS get the cap space and improve from Barnes to Durant.
Win-Win

[Tr1boy]

If we dont get Durant, how does this trade help us?

[aingeforthree]

If we dont get Durant, how does this trade help us?

He's just stating that these contracts could help facilitate a move for another franchise, thus opening up a player like Barnes to come here along with it.  He's right.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't think we'll see much use for them next Summer in all honesty, we should have cap space to absorb anything (hence we could trade for Barnes without sending salary). But we'll see, there's always a chance that they'll come in handy somehow, but I'm not seeing it.

If we begin to operate over the cap, then there might be good use for them, but I think it'll be a bit hard to reach that point, we'll see.

[saltlover]

These contracts are much more likely to be used on draft day or the trade deadline than they are next July. C's should be well under the cap with or without them. 

1) On draft day they will be tradable, expiring contracts, so that a team with a star Danny wants can make the trade then and not after the moratorium (since, as we've witnessed, nothing is guaranteed that period).

2) At the trade deadline they are like expiring contracts for matching purposes, but ones the team we're trading with can ship off on draft day.

Their use next summer is limited (and we don't know how long they're unguaranteed for).  Their best use is for one of the 2-3 teams that will start next summer over the cap.  For example, Cleveland will be above the cap.  Say they wanted to acquire, via trade, a player or players who make(s) $17 million.  The only expiring salary they have next year is Varejao, at $9.3 million.  AV can only bring back $14 million in salary.  However, if they traded him to the Celtics (or the Sixers if that made more sense), they could acquire Amir's $12 million contract. They could then turn around and trade Amir (by himself) for $17 million in salaries, thus leveraging the value of Vareajo's $9.3 million.  Alternatively, Cleveland could trade it for a $12 million exception to be used later in the year.  OKC could do the same with Anthony Morrow's non-guaranteed contract, and gain a larger matching tool by swapping it for Jerebko's.  Or, if a team had $5 million in cap room, they could acquire Jerebko's contract and immediately turn around and use it with other players to increase the amount the can take back in a trade that left them over the cap (since you don't have any restrictions on trading newly acquired players if you traded for them with cap room).

[number_n9ne]

I don't think we'll see much use for them next Summer in all honesty, we should have cap space to absorb anything (hence we could trade for Barnes without sending salary). But we'll see, there's always a chance that they'll come in handy somehow, but I'm not seeing it.

If we begin to operate over the cap, then there might be good use for them, but I think it'll be a bit hard to reach that point, we'll see.

I think what he is saying is that we could help another team clear space for a tier 1 free agent in exchange for their tier 2 free agent. Another example is the wizards who might not be able to sign Beal and Durant. Sign and trade for Beal and parts and give the Wizards cap space with those non-guaranteed contracts. Although it might just be easier to work out a sign and trade with OKC and what ever team Durant chooses. 

I think the value of those contracts will come in trading for a star. A team like the Cavs might be ready to move on from Love if they don't mesh well and we will be able to send players, picks, and salary relief.

[ahonui06]

It's always better to give your franchise options and flexibility. Even if nothing materializes it's still smart business-wise.

[saltlover]

I don't think we'll see much use for them next Summer in all honesty, we should have cap space to absorb anything (hence we could trade for Barnes without sending salary). But we'll see, there's always a chance that they'll come in handy somehow, but I'm not seeing it.

If we begin to operate over the cap, then there might be good use for them, but I think it'll be a bit hard to reach that point, we'll see.

I think what he is saying is that we could help another team clear space for a tier 1 free agent in exchange for their tier 2 free agent. Another example is the wizards who might not be able to sign Beal and Durant. Sign and trade for Beal and parts and give the Wizards cap space with those non-guaranteed contracts. Although it might just be easier to work out a sign and trade with OKC and what ever team Durant chooses. 

I think the value of those contracts will come in trading for a star. A team like the Cavs might be ready to move on from Love if they don't mesh well and we will be able to send players, picks, and salary relief.

Just to disabuse this notion early -- the Wizards will have no problem signing both Durant and Beal if they agree on contracts with both of them.  They have plenty of space, since they can sign Beal second, and his cap hold will be less than his contract.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't think we'll see much use for them next Summer in all honesty, we should have cap space to absorb anything (hence we could trade for Barnes without sending salary). But we'll see, there's always a chance that they'll come in handy somehow, but I'm not seeing it.

If we begin to operate over the cap, then there might be good use for them, but I think it'll be a bit hard to reach that point, we'll see.

I think what he is saying is that we could help another team clear space for a tier 1 free agent in exchange for their tier 2 free agent. Another example is the wizards who might not be able to sign Beal and Durant. Sign and trade for Beal and parts and give the Wizards cap space with those non-guaranteed contracts. Although it might just be easier to work out a sign and trade with OKC and what ever team Durant chooses. 

I think the value of those contracts will come in trading for a star. A team like the Cavs might be ready to move on from Love if they don't mesh well and we will be able to send players, picks, and salary relief.

As I said, the Celtics will have the cap space to absorb any contract. We don't have to send non-guaranteed players to match salaries, etc. So to that point the contracts are irrelevant for this purpose, we can simply use our cap space.

There are some slight angles here and there were we can find valued use for the contracts, but with most teams around having enough cap space, and the Celtics themselves having cap space (with capability of absorbing a lot of contract $$), chances are very slim that these contracts would become players next Summer.

[BudweiserCeltic]

These contracts are much more likely to be used on draft day or the trade deadline than they are next July. C's should be well under the cap with or without them. 

1) On draft day they will be tradable, expiring contracts, so that a team with a star Danny wants can make the trade then and not after the moratorium (since, as we've witnessed, nothing is guaranteed that period).

2) At the trade deadline they are like expiring contracts for matching purposes, but ones the team we're trading with can ship off on draft day.

Their use next summer is limited (and we don't know how long they're unguaranteed for).  Their best use is for one of the 2-3 teams that will start next summer over the cap.  For example, Cleveland will be above the cap.  Say they wanted to acquire, via trade, a player or players who make(s) $17 million.  The only expiring salary they have next year is Varejao, at $9.3 million.  AV can only bring back $14 million in salary.  However, if they traded him to the Celtics (or the Sixers if that made more sense), they could acquire Amir's $12 million contract. They could then turn around and trade Amir (by himself) for $17 million in salaries, thus leveraging the value of Vareajo's $9.3 million.  Alternatively, Cleveland could trade it for a $12 million exception to be used later in the year.  OKC could do the same with Anthony Morrow's non-guaranteed contract, and gain a larger matching tool by swapping it for Jerebko's.  Or, if a team had $5 million in cap room, they could acquire Jerebko's contract and immediately turn around and use it with other players to increase the amount the can take back in a trade that left them over the cap (since you don't have any restrictions on trading newly acquired players if you traded for them with cap room).

Yep, I discounted the value during draft day... you're quite correct on that regard. We'll see! And given our many picks, etc., they might come quite handy if a team is looking to move something significant.

[Boris Badenov]

This has occurred to me as well. It's not just these, we will have the ability to assemble packages including, now, pretty good players at two positions:

Smart and Lee

IT and Johnson

Crowder and IT

KO and Johnson

Etc.

Plus our rooks...plus our picks.

If Brooklyn is in the bottom 10, all of a sudden we are approaching having a package that can be pretty competitive for almost any player in return.