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if you were to trade sully
« on: July 14, 2015, 08:57:55 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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does sully want to stay in boston
isn't the time to trade sully near trade deadline,
can we tade for a harris or justin anderson type---it seems the celtic pickups all need to wear a medical alerts-

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2015, 09:02:19 AM »

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For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2015, 09:45:34 AM »

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For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.
well when a number of posters here



are talking like lunks critical of his gym work, it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted out.  I think he makes a step forward with his game this year and we'd be sorry to see him leave.

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2015, 09:51:43 AM »

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I think it's a combination of him constantly getting trashed here (although who knows if he ever comes on this blog) combined with the fact he wants to be the man somewhere. I can't imagine a guy wants to keep competing for playing time against 5 other PF's.
I see him signing a short term deal on a team that needs a PF so he can prove his worth, then get paid on his next contract, assuming he has earned it... then pull a Rashard Lewis

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2015, 09:56:16 AM »

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I think it's a combination of him constantly getting trashed here (although who knows if he ever comes on this blog) combined with the fact he wants to be the man somewhere. I can't imagine a guy wants to keep competing for playing time against 5 other PF's.
I see him signing a short term deal on a team that needs a PF so he can prove his worth, then get paid on his next contract, assuming he has earned it... then pull a Rashard Lewis

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2015, 09:59:49 AM »

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For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.
well when a number of posters here



are talking like lunks critical of his gym work, it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted out.  I think he makes a step forward with his game this year and we'd be sorry to see him leave.

I agree with this one hundred percent. Maybe its not just the weather that deters free agents from wanting to play here. Living under a brutal miscroscope that always seems to lean mostly on the bad side is brutal. Look how  everyone reacts to James Young after two summer  league games. Sully is doing things to help improve his body and many say its due to free agency or it wont stick. Brutal reactions like that and assuming the worst, living under a microscope, do not outweigh the greatness of being a Celtics player. Wanting to trade players when their value is at their lowest is not a great plan as well. It is very Pitino like. There was a time when I stopped visiting CNN due to its negative slant and lately, it seems the majority of our slant here has been the exact way.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2015, 10:02:23 AM »

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There are some players on the current roster I feel want to be Celtics. In fact, a few are proud to wear the Green. IT is one of them, Bradley, Smart, are a few others. Others are grateful to be part of the organization,
Turner, Zeller, JJ, KO, a few others.

IMO Sully has a strange disinterested, detached body language when he's criticized or given direction. He has a habit of looking elsewhere when CBS is huddling the team during timeouts, almost like he knows better, or has heard it all before. Just the way he announced he will no longer except direction from his father in reference to career. How he indicated he was very surprised when he slipped down is the draft, thinking he was a top 10 talent.
I feel Sully does not except direction, or criticism well, and will bolt from the Celtics if given half a chance.

IMO When the new look Sully comes into camp, and is found to be marginally improved, look for a trade partner, because his value may never be higher.   

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2015, 10:03:22 AM »

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Avery Bradley, Evan Turner, and Jared Sullinger.

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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2015, 10:04:19 AM »

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For some reason I don't think Sully will want to stay in Boston when he comes a free agent. I don't really have reasoning, just a feeling I have.
well when a number of posters here



are talking like lunks critical of his gym work, it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted out.  I think he makes a step forward with his game this year and we'd be sorry to see him leave.

I agree with this one hundred percent. Maybe its not just the weather that deters free agents from wanting to play here. Living under a brutal miscroscope that always seems to lean mostly on the bad side is brutal. Look how  everyone reacts to James Young after two summer two summer league games. Sully is doing things to help improve his body and many say its due to free agency or it wont stick. Brutal reactions like that and assuming the worst, living under a microscope, do not outweigh the greatness of being a Celtics player. Wanting to trade players when their value ismat their lowest is not a great plan as well. It is bery Pitino like. There was a time when I stopped visiting CNN due to its negative slant and lately, it seems the majority of our slant here has been the exact way.
it's funny.  back prior to the KG/Ray trade, the site had more optimism with the youth movement that was underway.  naturally some negative opinions but not nearly as much as now. 

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2015, 10:06:18 AM »

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There are some players on the current roster I feel want to be Celtics. In fact, a few are proud to wear the Green. IT is one of them, Bradley, Smart, are a few others. Others are grateful to be part of the organization,
Turner, Zeller, JJ, KO, a few others.

IMO Sully has a strange disinterested, detached body language when he's criticized or given direction. He has a habit of looking elsewhere when CBS is huddling the team during timeouts, almost like he knows better, or has heard it all before. Just the way he announced he will no longer except direction from his father in reference to career. How he indicated he was very surprised when he slipped down is the draft, thinking he was a top 10 talent.
I feel Sully does not except direction, or criticism well, and will bolt from the Celtics if given half a chance.

IMO When the new look Sully comes into camp, and is found to be marginally improved, look for a trade partner, because his value may never be higher.

well said

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2015, 10:21:31 AM »

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does sully want to stay in boston
isn't the time to trade sully near trade deadline,
can we tade for a harris or justin anderson type---it seems the celtic pickups all need to wear a medical alerts-

Who cares, it is up to Ainge, not him.   He doesn't come back in shape and play better and play D, they will let him go.

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I think it's a combination of him constantly getting trashed here (although who knows if he ever comes on this blog) combined with the fact he wants to be the man somewhere. I can't imagine a guy wants to keep competing for playing time against 5 other PF's.
I see him signing a short term deal on a team that needs a PF so he can prove his worth, then get paid on his next contract, assuming he has earned it... then pull a Rashard Lewis

If he gets upset at someone pointing out he is fat, lazy and unprofessional then he should look in the mirror and grow up some.  Pros get heckled, people are going to analyze anything you do and other teams are going to try to exploit every weakness.  It is a critical year for him.

I agree, he wants to be the man.   You can see it when he tries to play hero ball sometimes.   Trouble is he is not a hero.   He tries to be something he is not a three point marksman instead of a low post banger.

Most of the damage to his reputation is self-inflicted, he over ate, never got in shape.   He does not always run the court, his help D is horrible.  I think he takes threes so he doesn't have to run the full distance of the court sometimes.

I won't miss him if he leaves.   I can't stand guys who do not show effort on D.  He has fantastic hands and is a solid rebounder.   But he does not always play to his strengths.  Three point shooting is not one of them.   He lacks the versatility that CBS is always talking about.   Too slow, which is compounded by his lack of effort.

This is pretty [dang]ing:

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/stop-me-if-youve-heard-this-one-before-jared-sullinger-vows-to-get-in-shape-this-offseason/

http://nesn.com/2015/02/danny-ainge-rips-jared-sullingers-conditioning-hes-not-up-to-par/

I have rarely seen a player gain weight during the season playing.   I did in this case.

Supposedly, he has lost weight but look at how slow he moves in this recent video

https://youtu.be/mJ4QD6q3JYA

Like he is moving underwater, with hard effort like that he might beat a fifth grader in a foot race.   Same brontonsaurus pace.   Bob Huggins, told me once, always practice at game speed because in a game your going to rush things.   That video was beyond lethargic.

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IMO Sully has a strange disinterested, detached body language when he's criticized or given direction. He has a habit of looking elsewhere when CBS is huddling the team during timeouts, almost like he knows better, or has heard it all before. Just the way he announced he will no longer except direction from his father in reference to career. How he indicated he was very surprised when he slipped down is the draft, thinking he was a top 10 talent.
I feel Sully does not except direction, or criticism well, and will bolt from the Celtics if given half a chance.
   I get the same vibe and I have seen Stevens shake his head at a few of his shots and yank him when he did not play D.   I think a big part of his problem is that he truly thinks he is great.   He thought he could play without being in shape.   Doesn't feel a need to try on D or run the court.   His father should tell him, your heading down the path of Mel Turpin, enjoy life a little less and dedicate yourself on the court.

I hope, we trade him, even if for peanuts, the team was better to watch once he got hurt.   We went on a win streak, and I realize some of this was because of IT, but guys actually stayed in front of their man.   We team rebounded.   We had some guys taking high percentage shots, not just launching shots out of the system.
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I think we will trade Sully eventually, but this offseason is not the time to do it.

We should hold off until the trade deadline. I expect him to play the best ball of his career to start this contract year and be in the best shape of his life. In other words his value should go up between now and the trade deadline so why not wait.

The reason we should move him at the deadline even if he plays well is that I don't trust him to stay in shape, aka not get injured after he signs his new contract. His long term fitness should be a concer nwhen it comes to injury risk.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2015, 10:27:14 AM »

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I am getting real tired of all the Sully bashing. At least he can play. He can rebound. He can do a lot of things. Where was he drafted in relation to James Young? I don't care that he is 19 and I want him to succeed but Stanley Johnson is 18.

Sully was drafted at #21 and James Young who should be a permanent resident of Maine now was drafted #17.


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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2015, 10:34:39 AM »

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At least he can play. He can rebound. He can do a lot of things.
So could Michael Sweetney.
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2015, 10:40:12 AM »

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I am getting real tired of all the Sully bashing. At least he can play. He can rebound.

Not defense, behold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnM8W2MHly4

How you do explain our defensive stats going up when he was gone? A 17-13 record not all of that is IT.

This has been a problem thorough out his career

https://tlorc.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/two-late-defensive-mistakes-by-jared-sullinger-hurt-ohio-state/

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This illustrates the way Sullinger reacts too slowly to action around him. While his strength allows him to be an average defender when guarding an offensive player in the post, he does not demonstrate the awareness or mobility to be a useful help defender. In this play, he had plenty of time to see Paul curling and rotate into the paint to do a better job of defending without fouling. Instead, he took too long to rotate and fouled Paul on the shot attempt.

These plays demonstrate much of what is wrong with Sullinger’s defense. He is poor on help defense, as he stays in the chest of his man, which causes him to be late on rotations or blocks his teammate from getting past screens. Ohio State still has the best defense (in terms of adjusted defense efficiency) but Sullinger hurts the defense more than he helps it.

https://youtu.be/a839l8Pgc5s?list=UULW-FoW7fY2KEpneV_5wFqw

He does a few things well, but he kills his own team on D.

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Sully was drafted at #21 and James Young who should be a permanent resident of Maine now was drafted #17.
    Draymond was drafted at 35, so what?   Who cares where he was drafted if he is going to eat himself out of the league.