Terry Rozier vs Damian Lillard (yes I know, another comparison)

[PhoSita]

Rozier comps I think are closer to the mark -- Cory Joseph and CJ Watson.

The thing is, that level of productivity wouldn't be too bad for a 16th pick, but it probably fits with absolutely no one's expectations given how binary opinions tend to be around here.

Indeed. 

There seems to be very little understanding around here that a reasonable expectation for a mid to late 1st round pick is a guy who tops out as a useful rotation player who sticks around in the league for 5-10 years.

[Ilikesports17]

Rozier comps I think are closer to the mark -- Cory Joseph and CJ Watson.

The thing is, that level of productivity wouldn't be too bad for a 16th pick, but it probably fits with absolutely no one's expectations given how binary opinions tend to be around here.

Indeed. 

There seems to be very little understanding around here that a reasonable expectation for a mid to late 1st round pick is a guy who tops out as a useful rotation player who sticks around in the league for 5-10 years.

because those comps arent fun

When i do player comps I tend to do them more with playstyle or skillsets in mind in mind rather than actual production or value.

Thats why i see a lot of Klay Thompson is RJ Hunter. for both, their greatest strength is shooting, but they also have high bb iqs have good size for the position and are good passers and decent defenders. Do I think RJ Hunter will ever be nearly as good as Klay? no, but I think they are similar players.

For Rozier my favorite comp is Oladipo. Both lightning quick gaurds who are good defenders with suspect but not terrible shots. I actually think Rozier has a shot at being a Oladipo level guy but I think the chances are slim.

I mean really what fun is it to compare a guy to CJ Watson?

[chambers]

After 7 games or whatever it's been, I think he reminds me a lot of John Wall.
A little less speed and explosion, slightly less athletic in the full court/fast break game (although still insanely quick), and can't finish as well in transition as Wall, but better in the half court and more understanding in the pick and roll and running an offense.
He's got better mechanics than wall as well on his shot.
He has very good ball control and can stop and probe the paint from the 3 point line with amazing control while keeping his head up.
If he became 50% of John Wall I'd be super happy with him as a #16 pick.

Could be a very good point guard.

[LGC88]

Nothing wrong with high expectations or comparisons.
I like to expect the best of all our players and watch them grow and try to figure out why they progress or why they don't.
It's a fun process as long as you set your mind to not be disappointing if it doesn't come out.
So far, I fell to do that with only one player : Uncle Jeff. I could feel it, this one will explode soon, but it never did... very frustrating.

[slightly biased bias fan]

I know its been a contentious subject, who is the most similar player comparison but I think i've found the best look-a-like to Rozier.




 

[HeadDoctorJ]

Eric Bledsoe plus the clutch gene

[clover]

Dame is a 6'3" offensively minded point guard who has attempted the 2nd (Steph had most) most threes each of the last 2 years. Dame is also renowned for his terrible defense. I'm a huge fan of both of these guys individually, but I don't see any similarities besides athleticism and position.

Lillard: 2012 NBA Draft Combine   w/o shoes 6' 1.75" with 6' 2.75"

They are essentially the same height, and if you've seen Rozier play you know he is an offensive minded PG, hence the lazy small shooting guard comparison. He just lacks the 3 point stroke that Lillard has but as I said Lillard was a 4 year college player who had more time to develop his shot, Rozier is only just 21 you can't compare him to a full fledge pro

Lillard is an inch taller with a little more hops, while Rozier has a slightly longer wingspan and higher standing reach.

[droopdog7]

The similarity between rozier and avery is that neither is a PG (though rozier has a bit better handle).

[dreamgreen]

The similarity between rozier and avery is that neither is a PG (though rozier has a bit better handle).

Not sure how you came up with your opinion. Rozier's handle is light years ahead of AB's, he can create his own shot and get shots off that AB can't dream of.

[droopdog7]

The similarity between rozier and avery is that neither is a PG (though rozier has a bit better handle).

Not sure how you came up with your opinion. Rozier's handle is light years ahead of AB's, he can create his own shot and get shots off that AB can't dream of.

You may be right but what I meant was that rozier is not a natural PG in any sense.  And a lot of people have the ability and handles to get their own shot that are not PG's either.  Related but two different things.

On a side note, rozier carries the ball like nobody's business when he dribbles.  Very strange.

[I told you so]

Rozier is racking up quite the list of comparables: Lillard, Barbosa, Joseph, Watson, Oladipo, Wall, Bledsoe.  I think he is comparable to .... Terry Rozier.

[Denis998]

I still need to make that sandwich

[GreenCoffeeBean]

After 7 games or whatever it's been, I think he reminds me a lot of John Wall.
A little less speed and explosion, slightly less athletic in the full court/fast break game (although still insanely quick), and can't finish as well in transition as Wall, but better in the half court and more understanding in the pick and roll and running an offense.
He's got better mechanics than wall as well on his shot.
He has very good ball control and can stop and probe the paint from the 3 point line with amazing control while keeping his head up.
If he became 50% of John Wall I'd be super happy with him as a #16 pick.

Could be a very good point guard.

I think Rozier is nothing like Wall. Let's take a look.

John Wall:
- Elite vision and passing
- Insanely good penetrator
- Bad 3 point shooter
- Top 5 handles in the NBA

Terry Rozier:
- Needs a lot of work on his passing
- Can't penetrate without tripping over himself or running straight into defender
- Average to maybe above average 3 point shooter
- Can only run in a straight line with the ball in his hands

Reggie Jackson and Eric Bledsoe are still the best comparisons for Rozier at this point. I don't think Rozier will ever be an average passer (and that's OK because Unicorn PGs are just like Unicorn Centers) but maybe he can get better at driving.

[slightly biased bias fan]

I still see this as Rozier's ceiling, he just lacks the polish and the understanding to take his game to Lillard's level and remember Lillard was a 4 year college guy that went to a complete rebuilding team where he was given big minutes from the start and allowed to make mistakes which he can learn from, where as Rozier is in a position that a team wants to contend and has not only limited his minutes but his role and ability to test and learn.

Now the dust has settled since the beginning of this thread, i am interested to hear what people think of this comparison.

[hwangjini_1]

Rozier comps I think are closer to the mark -- Cory Joseph and CJ Watson.

you dont think rozier is better passer than watson? plus rozier's 3 point % is lower, but heck he is a rookie with few minutes, so that might change.

or maybe you were referring to their style of play and aggressiveness?