Sully or Olynyk?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I just feel Kelly has a little more upside potential and I'm not ready to give up on him yet.  He just finished his 2nd yr.  Jared just finished his 3rd yr I believe and I think he should've shown more in yr 3 which he did not.  With both players I'd like to see what we'd get in return.  With Sully my patience is about gone.  His weight really p---es me off.  If he was taking this NBA thing seriously I would think after 3 yrs in the NBA his body would look a hell of a lot better.  I've never been a believer in his weight holding him back.  Not sure it is.  But, his weight does show that he doesn't give a ****.  And I don't want a 280 pounder shooting 3's.  Either that's his fault or Stevens.  Probably both.  I am a big believer in Stevens but this BS with having centers shoot 3's - I'm sick of it.  That's BS.  This team needs 2 things to be good - a young PP (crunchtime scorer) and a young KG (paint and rim protector).

And yet Sullinger is younger than Olynyk, or does that not factor into your equation? And how exposed Olynyk was found to be in the playoffs, while Sullinger was our most dependent big (while rusty) doesn't factor into this either?

[PhoSita]

KO has shown nothing yet and he's on the verge of being a complete bust.

I'm curious what your reasoning is for this, given that he's been above-average productive in both of his first two seasons, and stats generally indicate that the team is at the very least not hurt by his presence on the court. 

He may not have much of a ceiling, but KO has definitely shown, I think, that's he's a rotation-caliber NBA player.  Yes, he requires the right fit given his defensive limitations.  He wouldn't get playing time on every single team in the league.  But it's hard to call him a bust given where he was drafted.

Kelly's not as exciting as a few of the guys taken after him, but you can't blame him for the fact that Danny Ainge reached on a safe pick.

[coco]

A few months ago, I would have picked to keep KO - but I am growing tired of KO desire to be a PG.  passes too many open shots, can't box out to save his life, can't defend the pick and roll or post players.

Also, Sully did shine in the playoffs, KO did not.

[PhoSita]

it seems like it would be easier to trade him away after Olynyk is shipped out

I'm not sure that Sullinger would be easier to trade.  Yeah, he has more upside, I guess, but Kelly is more likely to be able to contribute in a more limited role because he can actually hit a three pointer with consistency.  That gives him more broad appeal.

[D.o.s.]

I should rephrase: I think it'd be easier to convince a GM like Billy King or a team like the Knicks that Sullinger is worth trading a draft pick for. Olynyk would probably be a harder sell.

[td450]

Olynyk shoots .475/.349
Sullinger shoots .439/.283

I would expect Olynyk to improve his efficiency more quickly from here too. He probably will never be as assertive as fans want, but he does seem to enjoy playing and he has an excellent feel for the game.

[Celtics18]

Olynyk.

Very little faith that either turns into an everyday starter, but Olynyk is the better bet as a useful role player off the bench since he has proven that he can consistently hit outside shots and the peripheral stats (plus minus etc) suggest he helps the team when he's on the floor despite his limitations.

Sullinger has games where he looks really good, but the weight and back issues are real and I'm not sure his conditioning will ever allow him to play big minutes. 

Feels like they're both earmarked for an eventual trade, though.

I think there's clearly not room for both of them, but I feel like one of them is going to be kept through and beyond his rookie contract.

I'm hoping that it's Kelly. 

[Celtics18]

Where is neither?

Not an option in this poll.  Thanks for the input, though.

Fine, but if we're moving one, why wouldn't we be moving both?

The answer, by the way, is Sullinger (tp to BudweiserCeltic for his assessment) because it seems like it would be easier to trade him away after Olynyk is shipped out and I have made a cursory effort to satisfy the terms of your poll. Neither of them have much of a future on meaningful Celtics teams, IMO.

Well, personally, I think we aren't moving Kelly Olynyk because he's going to be a valuable member of our core moving forward. 

[D.o.s.]

This is the same thought process that decided Lee wouldn't be able to beat out Olynyk and Sullinger for playing time?

If that's the case, I can see where you're coming from. I absolutely don't agree with it, but I can follow the logic.

[Celtics18]

Feels like they're both earmarked for an eventual trade, though.

Keep your real life out of this we're dealing with Poll logic here and the poll says one stays. 

The poll says nothing of the kind.  It simply asks which one you would rather keep.  If your choice is neither, you aren't required to vote. 

[max215]

I really hope we keep neither, but if we must keep one, KO because he can stay healthy enough to play.

[PhoSita]

I should rephrase: I think it'd be easier to convince a GM like Billy King or a team like the Knicks that Sullinger is worth trading a draft pick for. Olynyk would probably be a harder sell.

I could see that.  The allure of "What if he puts it together and turns into David West / Paul Millsap?"

I think a GM would have to be incompetent to think that, so . . . yeah, your premise holds.

[dreamgreen]

I'll go with KO because I figure Sully is eating his way to China as we speak, that fat Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..

[Celtics4ever]

I'm not sure that Sullinger would be easier to trade.  Yeah, he has more upside, I guess, but Kelly is more likely to be able to contribute in a more limited role because he can actually hit a three pointer with consistency.  That gives him more broad appeal.

He has very little upside.   What he has is skill, good rebounder and he thinks he is better than what he is but athletically he is very finite in his ability.   He has not shown a great capacity to hone his skill or keep in shape.   But he can play on some level and produce that is why he would be easier to play.   A team with the right parts might be able to hide his horrific defense.  But it is not upside that he brings to the table, he was this player from the get go.   I do not see him improving a whole lot and that is what upside is about to me.

I would rather keep Oly.   He tries and D, can spread the floor and comes to camp somewhat in shape.

I think Lee would wipe the floor with both of these guys.

I could see that.  The allure of "What if he puts it together and turns into David West / Paul Millsap?"

  Both are more athletic than him, it is more likely he turns into Mel Turpin.

[ahonui06]

I rather have Olynyk because he is a better stretch 4 and is in shape unlike Sullinger.