Hypothetical... let's assume DJ goes back to the Clips

[mnshyn]

Cuban has said he would rebuild if he didn't get DJ or LMA.  Could a whole reverse domino effect happen where now wes doesn't sign or dallas decides not to go with wes and similar things happen? Before the moratorium ends, would that Mavs pick possibly open up some new things for us?

Just interesting to me.  DJ staying with the clips could possibly make teams or players think about a do over before tomorrow.

Could be wishful thinking, or just interesting conversation.  What do you guys think?

[jbpats]

It makes me wonder what the point is of Free Agency starting 9 days before contracts become official. The day free agency starts should be the same day signings become official, there shouldn't be a buffer.
If he backs out he royally screws Dallas, who could have went after somebody else like Lopez etc.

There are a lot of little things I'd like to change about the NBA, this being one, in addition to enforcing a salary cap instead of imposing a tax on salary cap abusers.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The memes are an all out laugh-a-ton.


http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2518049-internet-reacts-to-clippers-attempts-to-win-back-deandre-jordan-from-dallas?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national?is_shared=true

[TheFlex]

If the Sixers are confident Embiid will remain healthy (that confidence would come if Embiid continued to heal throughout the summer) and the Dallas pick shoots up in value, if I was Hinkie I'd re-engage with the Celts on Noel.

I don't think Smart would be part of the discussion, but I could absolutely see both teams agreeing to something like: Rozier, choice of James Young or RJ Hunter, Olynyk (I think Olynyk would be more attractive to Philly but I'd be willing to throw in Sully instead), Jordan Mickey, 2016 DAL 1st, 2016 PHI 2nd for Noel.

We'd have:

Smart/IT
AB/Young or Hunter
Crowder/ET
David Lee/Sully
Noel/Amir Johnson/Zeller

Deal [Young or Hunter] + ET + Zeller for Gallinari, and roll out:

Smart/IT
AB/[Smart]
Gallinari/Crowder
David Lee/Sullinger
Noel/Amir Johnson

That'd be a really fun team.

[LooseCannon]

The NFL came up with its "legal tampering" period because it was pretty obvious that most teams were blatantly tampering.  It's still a mess, but at least the league doesn't look like such blatant failures at policing things.

So, why try to ban negotiations when they are going to take place anyways?  Just stick a "caveat emptor" label on the process and tell all parties involved that there will be no league penalties or legal ramifications for broken promises.

[KeepRondo]

If the Sixers are confident Embiid will remain healthy (that confidence would come if Embiid continued to heal throughout the summer) and the Dallas pick shoots up in value, if I was Hinkie I'd re-engage with the Celts on Noel.

I don't think Smart would be part of the discussion, but I could absolutely see both teams agreeing to something like: Rozier, choice of James Young or RJ Hunter, Olynyk (I think Olynyk would be more attractive to Philly but I'd be willing to throw in Sully instead), Jordan Mickey, 2016 DAL 1st, 2016 PHI 2nd for Noel.

We'd have:

Smart/IT
AB/Young or Hunter
Crowder/ET
David Lee/Sully
Noel/Amir Johnson/Zeller

Deal [Young or Hunter] + ET + Zeller for Gallinari, and roll out:

Smart/IT
AB/[Smart]
Gallinari/Crowder
David Lee/Sullinger
Noel/Amir Johnson

That'd be a really fun team.

I'm not sure they would want all those scraps.

How about the Dallas pick, Rozier, Sully and the Nets 2016 pick.

[jbpats]

If the Sixers are confident Embiid will remain healthy (that confidence would come if Embiid continued to heal throughout the summer) and the Dallas pick shoots up in value, if I was Hinkie I'd re-engage with the Celts on Noel.

I don't think Smart would be part of the discussion, but I could absolutely see both teams agreeing to something like: Rozier, choice of James Young or RJ Hunter, Olynyk (I think Olynyk would be more attractive to Philly but I'd be willing to throw in Sully instead), Jordan Mickey, 2016 DAL 1st, 2016 PHI 2nd for Noel.

We'd have:

Smart/IT
AB/Young or Hunter
Crowder/ET
David Lee/Sully
Noel/Amir Johnson/Zeller

Deal [Young or Hunter] + ET + Zeller for Gallinari, and roll out:

Smart/IT
AB/[Smart]
Gallinari/Crowder
David Lee/Sullinger
Noel/Amir Johnson

That'd be a really fun team.

I dont think it is out of the realm of possibility if Jordan backs out of Dallas.. That pick becomes much more valuable. From 18-25 range it probably drops to 10-15 range.

I guess fingers crossed he does? Even though I consider him doing it completely shady

[mnshyn]

It makes me wonder what the point is of Free Agency starting 9 days before contracts become official. The day free agency starts should be the same day signings become official, there shouldn't be a buffer.
If he backs out he royally screws Dallas, who could have went after somebody else like Lopez etc.

There are a lot of little things I'd like to change about the NBA, this being one, in addition to enforcing a salary cap instead of imposing a tax on salary cap abusers.

this is exactly what i'm getting at.  let's say dj goes back to the clips.  cuban decides not to rebuild, and throws $60 mil at lopez.  lopez decides to go back on his agreement with new york.  then what if afflalo says i don't want to go to the knicks now?  what if the knicks then try to pry hibbert from the pacers, give them a better deal, and undercut what the lakers would be able to do?

it can get crazy.

[D.o.s.]

So let me ask this: if Jordan can go back on his verbal agreement, then can Dallas go back on their agreement with Matthews? That'd be pretty effed up, because now Matthews gets screwed because of an unethical action by DJ.

This could very well become one of the defining scenarios in the next CBA argument between the players and the owners.

For anyone interested in what governs players and teams during the moratorium:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q104

[jbpats]

It makes me wonder what the point is of Free Agency starting 9 days before contracts become official. The day free agency starts should be the same day signings become official, there shouldn't be a buffer.
If he backs out he royally screws Dallas, who could have went after somebody else like Lopez etc.

There are a lot of little things I'd like to change about the NBA, this being one, in addition to enforcing a salary cap instead of imposing a tax on salary cap abusers.

this is exactly what i'm getting at.  let's say dj goes back to the clips.  cuban decides not to rebuild, and throws $60 mil at lopez.  lopez decides to go back on his agreement with new york.  then what if afflalo says i don't want to go to the knicks now?  what if the knicks then try to pry hibbert from the pacers, give them a better deal, and undercut what the lakers would be able to do?

it can get crazy.

That's a lot of what if's in a matter of 8 hours. If Jordan backs out and goes to the Clips, there is only one outcome for Dallas, they get f'd over.

[Celtics4ever]

How about the Dallas pick, Rozier, Sully and the Nets 2016 pick

TheFlex would not trade Sully as he has a man crush on him... err that is his favorite player. JK

[mnshyn]

It makes me wonder what the point is of Free Agency starting 9 days before contracts become official. The day free agency starts should be the same day signings become official, there shouldn't be a buffer.
If he backs out he royally screws Dallas, who could have went after somebody else like Lopez etc.

There are a lot of little things I'd like to change about the NBA, this being one, in addition to enforcing a salary cap instead of imposing a tax on salary cap abusers.

this is exactly what i'm getting at.  let's say dj goes back to the clips.  cuban decides not to rebuild, and throws $60 mil at lopez.  lopez decides to go back on his agreement with new york.  then what if afflalo says i don't want to go to the knicks now?  what if the knicks then try to pry hibbert from the pacers, give them a better deal, and undercut what the lakers would be able to do?

it can get crazy.

That's a lot of what if's in a matter of 8 hours. If Jordan backs out and goes to the Clips, there is only one outcome for Dallas, they get f'd over.

But technically it's not just 8 hours. It's however long until the signatures are signed, now that I think about it. Nothing is final until people sign.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

If the Sixers are confident Embiid will remain healthy (that confidence would come if Embiid continued to heal throughout the summer) and the Dallas pick shoots up in value, if I was Hinkie I'd re-engage with the Celts on Noel.

I don't think Smart would be part of the discussion, but I could absolutely see both teams agreeing to something like: Rozier, choice of James Young or RJ Hunter, Olynyk (I think Olynyk would be more attractive to Philly but I'd be willing to throw in Sully instead), Jordan Mickey, 2016 DAL 1st, 2016 PHI 2nd for Noel.

We'd have:

Smart/IT
AB/Young or Hunter
Crowder/ET
David Lee/Sully
Noel/Amir Johnson/Zeller

Deal [Young or Hunter] + ET + Zeller for Gallinari, and roll out:

Smart/IT
AB/[Smart]
Gallinari/Crowder
David Lee/Sullinger
Noel/Amir Johnson

That'd be a really fun team.

Wut.

No seriously, what? WHAT?

Like what does any of what you justed posted have to do with DeAndre Jordan turning his back on a handshake deal?

[danglertx]

Let me say, I think it is HIGHLY unlikely he backs out of his contract.  For the same reason teams that give verbal commitments to players in the draft don't back out of them when another player slips.  That agent and player will never be believable again.  Maybe Jordan doesn't care, but that agent does. 

If he agreed to join the Mavs and then backs out without something obvious happening like another player signing there at the same position on the owner making some racial remarks, he will go there.  Otherwise he might want it written into his contract in LA that he doesn't have to play the road games in Dallas.  You don't just screw with a team like that.

[knuckleballer]

If the Sixers are confident Embiid will remain healthy (that confidence would come if Embiid continued to heal throughout the summer) and the Dallas pick shoots up in value, if I was Hinkie I'd re-engage with the Celts on Noel.

I don't think Smart would be part of the discussion, but I could absolutely see both teams agreeing to something like: Rozier, choice of James Young or RJ Hunter, Olynyk (I think Olynyk would be more attractive to Philly but I'd be willing to throw in Sully instead), Jordan Mickey, 2016 DAL 1st, 2016 PHI 2nd for Noel.

We'd have:

Smart/IT
AB/Young or Hunter
Crowder/ET
David Lee/Sully
Noel/Amir Johnson/Zeller

Deal [Young or Hunter] + ET + Zeller for Gallinari, and roll out:

Smart/IT
AB/[Smart]
Gallinari/Crowder
David Lee/Sullinger
Noel/Amir Johnson

That'd be a really fun team.

Wut.

No seriously, what? WHAT?

Like what does any of what you justed posted have to do with DeAndre Jordan turning his back on a handshake deal?

If Garnett decides to retire rather than playing another season in Minnesota, does that mean Hinkie will be open to trading Noel to the Celtics?  I think it does.