ainge's strategy, max flexibility for us, other teams lose flexibility?

[mnshyn]

After the knicks signed RLo to a 4yr/$54 mil deal, I started to wonder.  Could DA be thinking..

Let these teams sign these so-so players long term. When the cap goes up, and the guys we signed this year are gone, even though everyones caps go up, we still will have more space because we don't have any long term salary dead weight (provided we don't trade for anyone at the deadline).  Teams that would typically be competition for us in terms of signing players now have these so-so players holding decent cap space would not have as much flexibility as we do.  Maybe Danny or CBS were not that enamored with the 2nd tier of players, your Monroes or Harris's, or whoever and maybe think someone next year may fit better?

2016 free agents:

UFA
Durant
Noah
Howard
Whiteside
Parsons
Jennings
D. Lee
Hibbert
Deng
K. Martin
Nene
A. Jefferson
Batum
J. Johnson
D. Williams

RFA
A. Drummond
Beal
MKG
H. Barnes
Ezeli
T. Jones
Henson
Miles Plumlee
Ross
Valenciunas


Durant will obviously be the big prize next year.  If he decides he wants to go to Washington, can you still offer Beal the max and sign Durant to a max?

Just some thoughts.  I could be way off, but thought it was worthy for a discussion.

[Ilikesports17]

You are absolutely right on the flexibility front.

Other teams are spending fairly recklessly. Offering tons of player options and big deals under the idea that when the cap raises those deals (a) will be bargains and (b) if they arent who cares cap just went up a ton, we have cap anyway.

Ainge on the other hand has set us up to have a lot of flexibility. Wallace is coming off the books, Johnson and Jerebko have team options etc.

Problem is that I dont think this strategy will payoff untill the cap hikes stop and teams realize that they have overpaid and now they arent being given an extra 20 mil each offseason. Im not sure If I want to wait quite that long for a splash.

However, I guess we just have to trust AInge

[zubi.anaba]

Yeah this doesnt compute because with the cap going up, most teams will have capspace to add a max player. Knicks for example despite their current deals will have around 30mill next season. They currently have one star, decent role players and a Kid with potential. Thats a hell of a lot more appealing to supertars than a roster filled with role players. Wiz as well will have space to add Durant and will just go over the cap to re-sign Beal.

The problem with Cs strategy is you need to have at least 1 blue chipper on the roster for superstar FA to be enticed. Cs roster is filed strictly with role players. The fact that Cs couldnt even get a meeting with premiere FA this season is pretty telling

DA gonna have swing a trade for a blue chipper player or I dont see the situation changing anytime soon. Unless he wants to go and all out tank

[GzUP617]

OP you hit the nail on the head.  This is exactly what Ainge is doing.  Max flexibility at the opportune time when flexibility will be scarce for others.

 

[tazzmaniac]

OP you hit the nail on the head.  This is exactly what Ainge is doing.  Max flexibility at the opportune time when flexibility will be scarce for others.

 

Pretty much every team will have a lot of cap space next offseason. 

[CelticsBR]

I guess Ainge is betting on flexibility for mid season trades, not specifically for future FAs. We can already send out an amount larger than a max salary that could be out of the books before the beggining of the 2016 season in a trade - Wallace and Johnson's contracts together already sum up to a max contract, for example!

We don't know if the opportunity will appear, but we are sure in a great position to trade for great players with lots of assets and these contracts

[LarBrd33]

Players join teams with talent.   Boston couldn't even get a meeting with the guys this year like Love, Aldridge, Gasol, etc.   Why?  Because it's a talentless roster of mediocrity.

Next year, the cap jumps 20 million.  Essentially every team in the league will have max money to sign a free agent.   That means that teams like Cleveland, Golden State, Clippers, etc will be in the running for any 2016 free agent. 

If guys wouldn't take our calls this year, why would they next year?  Unless you're suggesting that we're going to try to pull a Miami and lure multiple players at once, I don't see this happening.  Our "flexibility" will be useless.    People talk about the Amir Johnson contract like it's some kind of brilliant masterstroke... a 1 year deal with the second year non-guaranteed... Teams will be dying to trade for it to clear cap! ...   Why?  Every team will have cap space.  Why would they bother giving up talent to Boston to free up more?  It makes no sense.

We had to add talent this year if we stood a chance at being a factor in free agency next year.    If we don't pull off some major trades this year, we're going to be in a pretty rough position for a long time.

[GzUP617]

OP you hit the nail on the head.  This is exactly what Ainge is doing.  Max flexibility at the opportune time when flexibility will be scarce for others.

 

Pretty much every team will have a lot of cap space next offseason.

We'll have more cap space, more assets, and more tradable pieces to obtain said players in sign and trades.  What you think Ainge signs players like Chris Babb for. That's just him working the CBA. Same goes with him and TPE's.

[zubi.anaba]

Players join teams with talent.   Boston couldn't even get a meeting with the guys this year like Love, Aldridge, Gasol, etc.   Why?  Because it's a talentless roster of mediocrity.

Next year, the cap jumps 20 million.  Essentially every team in the league will have max money to sign a free agent.  That means that teams like Cleveland, Golden State, Clippers, etc will be in the running for any 2016 free agent.

If guys wouldn't take our calls this year, why would they next year?  Unless you're suggesting that we're going to try to pull a Miami and lure multiple players at once, I don't see this happening.  Our "flexibility" will be useless.    People talk about the Amir Johnson contract like it's some kind of brilliant masterstroke... a 1 year deal with the second year non-guaranteed... Teams will be dying to trade for it to clear cap! ...   Why?  Every team will have cap space.  Why would they bother giving up talent to Boston to free up more?  It makes no sense.

We had to add talent this year if we stood a chance at being a factor in free agency next year.    If we don't pull off some major trades this year, we're going to be in a pretty rough position for a long time.

Cavs are highly unlikely to have space for a max player in the next 5 yrs given the contracts they are giving out. But doesnt matter cuz they already have 3 of them. They will focus on adding strictly quality role players as they should

Dubs are also unlikely. They have maxed Green and Thompson. Barned extension is coming up and then best believe Steph will be asking for the full max in 2017

Clippers also unlikely if DJ gets maxed this FA. Most contenders now wouldnt have max space. But they will have decent money to chase quality role players. Every other team will pretty much have max space. The deciding factor would be what foundation is already on the team. If you at least have one legit star/studs then good chance you get a star player in FA. If your team is filled with role players then Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. might be bleak

[Boris Badenov]

I think Ainge is thinking three years down the road, not one or two. We're not going to be good before then, in all likelihood. So yeah, I agree he may be letting the market sort itself out a bit while preserving assets for then.

[YeezusChrist]

Players join teams with talent.   Boston couldn't even get a meeting with the guys this year like Love, Aldridge, Gasol, etc.   Why?  Because it's a talentless roster of mediocrity.

Next year, the cap jumps 20 million.  Essentially every team in the league will have max money to sign a free agent.   That means that teams like Cleveland, Golden State, Clippers, etc will be in the running for any 2016 free agent. 

If guys wouldn't take our calls this year, why would they next year?  Unless you're suggesting that we're going to try to pull a Miami and lure multiple players at once, I don't see this happening.  Our "flexibility" will be useless.    People talk about the Amir Johnson contract like it's some kind of brilliant masterstroke... a 1 year deal with the second year non-guaranteed... Teams will be dying to trade for it to clear cap! ...   Why?  Every team will have cap space.  Why would they bother giving up talent to Boston to free up more?  It makes no sense.

We had to add talent this year if we stood a chance at being a factor in free agency next year.    If we don't pull off some major trades this year, we're going to be in a pretty rough position for a long time.

You're one of the few people that gets it!!!
Some of these guys really don't understand that were not gonna be a desirable place to go next year and we aren't winning anything this year!!

[edlove44]

I have to be honest only name on that list that gets me excited is kd and he not coming to boston . Danny is going to have strike gold in the draft cause the big names free agents just don't come here.

[csfansince60s]

Players join teams with talent.   Boston couldn't even get a meeting with the guys this year like Love, Aldridge, Gasol, etc.   Why?  Because it's a talentless roster of mediocrity.

Next year, the cap jumps 20 million.  Essentially every team in the league will have max money to sign a free agent.   That means that teams like Cleveland, Golden State, Clippers, etc will be in the running for any 2016 free agent. 

If guys wouldn't take our calls this year, why would they next year?  Unless you're suggesting that we're going to try to pull a Miami and lure multiple players at once, I don't see this happening.  Our "flexibility" will be useless.    People talk about the Amir Johnson contract like it's some kind of brilliant masterstroke... a 1 year deal with the second year non-guaranteed... Teams will be dying to trade for it to clear cap! ...   Why?  Every team will have cap space.  Why would they bother giving up talent to Boston to free up more?  It makes no sense.

We had to add talent this year if we stood a chance at being a factor in free agency next year.    If we don't pull off some major trades this year, we're going to be in a pretty rough position for a long time.

You're one of the few people that gets it!!!
Some of these guys really don't understand that were not gonna be a desirable place to go next year and we aren't winning anything this year!!

So tell me the point of making the playoffs last year....you're right, some guys still don't get it.
We shouldn't have.

[More Banners]

Any of y'all remember when Detroit signed the two biggest free agents of the summer?

They were Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

The C's might be avoiding the same massive error this summer by calling instead of raising.

We got better already by improving the 4-big rotation (5 big rotation?), drafting a ball handling and scoring point, and locking in Crowder for 5 years on a reasonable deal. And yes, there is redundancy in the roster to allow for trades later without gutting the rotation.

The rotations and minutes will look like the Hubie Brown Grizzlies, but that's okay for now.

[tazzmaniac]

OP you hit the nail on the head.  This is exactly what Ainge is doing.  Max flexibility at the opportune time when flexibility will be scarce for others.

 

Pretty much every team will have a lot of cap space next offseason.

We'll have more cap space, more assets, and more tradable pieces to obtain said players in sign and trades.  What you think Ainge signs players like Chris Babb for. That's just him working the CBA. Same goes with him and TPE's.

TPE's expire after a year.  So unless Ainge does some trades to create new TPEs we won't have any next offseason.  Every team is going to get 20mil more in cap space next offseason.  The 1st and 2nd tier FAs are going to have lots of teams to choose from.