Bullpett :C'S not offering max for Harris, Saving cap for bigger moves.......

[walker834]

We are badasz....  Ainge is a freakin badasz.  No doubt about it.

[PhoSita]

Don't worry guys, Ainge isn't done.

He's gonna trade Bradley, Sullinger, and Wallace for Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler.

Loadin' up on expiring guys in their mid to late 20s who will help the team secure a win total in the 40-45 range.

[Snakehead]

It's amazing to me how irrational and short sighted that alot of people on these boards are.

I'm with you.  Been around here long enough that it shouldn't shock me though!

[tankcity!]

Is it possible for us to tank so we can at least have a future stud on this team? Who are we supposed to be watching the Celtics for? None of these guys are future all stars. I was hoping for Harris, but it looks like Ainge would rather pay Johnson so he can sign someone next year? Makes no sense. I wish we would give up the idea of free agency

[CelticSooner]

Steve Bulpett ?@SteveBHoop 19m19 minutes ago

Important: Reason C's not pursuing some FA isn't because they don't like them, but b/c can't afford them and stay in line for bigger move.

HAHAHBAHAHAHAHAHAHAH What big moves , such nonsense

.... the big moves are in the future?  Is that really confusing?

"Big Moves" = The New Fireworks

It's just another attempt at fan appeasement.

Or it's just the truth?  They tried to make trades and deals multiple times now.  Takes two to tango.  We saw what Ainge was trying to do in the draft (make more than fair offers) but he isn't going to get fleeced.  Same goes for Free Agency.

Is this really hard to understand?  Patience is what it's about.  Deals don't fall out of the sky.

Unbelievable the pouting around here.  Do you guys think Ainge doesn't understand?  He constantly is talking about getting top level talent.  He is waiting for his chance.  He's already done it before!

How long will you give him? That's the question. Would you be ok being in flux 3 more years hoping a disgruntled star hits the market or some such? Personally I wouldn't because I don't know that any of these young players will have time to develop when guys like Amir Johnson are starting in front of them.

[jayk009]

Steve Bulpett ?@SteveBHoop 19m19 minutes ago

Important: Reason C's not pursuing some FA isn't because they don't like them, but b/c can't afford them and stay in line for bigger move.

HAHAHBAHAHAHAHAHAHAH What big moves , such nonsense

.... the big moves are in the future?  Is that really confusing?

"Big Moves" = The New Fireworks

It's just another attempt at fan appeasement.

Draft was a failure.  SO far, this offseason has been a massive failure.   I'm losing faith.  With the additions of Jerebko and Johnson, we don't even have enough money to even offer a max contract.  Depending on what Jae Crowder gets, matching him might wrap up this entire offseason.  So you're basically swapping Bass for Johnson and punting on the season.

Funny how people can see the same picture and conclude something completely different.  The Johnson and Jerebko signings are a great relief to me.   I was really worried Danny was going to sign a couple of 2nd tier FAs to long-term max(ish) deals.  Instead, he signs two decent players who'll provide important dimensions to the current team on short-term deals with a non-guarantee in year 2.  I think it's brilliant.

Yes -- ABSOLUTELY punting on the upcoming season.  This is another growth year, not a year for contention (we're only 2 years into the re-build).

In 2015-16 a good half-dozen Celtics will increase their trade value while we look at being a 5-9 seed (depending on how the wind blows) in the East.  Meanwhile Brooklyn falters and Danny uses an improved set of assets with great salary flexibility and a ton of cap space to make serious moves at trade deadline or in summer of '16.

This is Danny being brilliant and patient.

Completely agree with you. People are saying to fire Danny Ainge but I think he's making all the right moves right now.

Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make any big moves at all. Probably next off-season is where we see the big moves.

[BringToughnessBack]

Steve Bulpett ?@SteveBHoop 19m19 minutes ago

Important: Reason C's not pursuing some FA isn't because they don't like them, but b/c can't afford them and stay in line for bigger move.

Perfectly stated, TP...




HAHAHBAHAHAHAHAHAHAH What big moves , such nonsense

.... the big moves are in the future?  Is that really confusing?

"Big Moves" = The New Fireworks

It's just another attempt at fan appeasement.

Draft was a failure.  SO far, this offseason has been a massive failure.   I'm losing faith.  With the additions of Jerebko and Johnson, we don't even have enough money to even offer a max contract.  Depending on what Jae Crowder gets, matching him might wrap up this entire offseason.  So you're basically swapping Bass for Johnson and punting on the season.

Funny how people can see the same picture and conclude something completely different.  The Johnson and Jerebko signings are a great relief to me.   I was really worried Danny was going to sign a couple of 2nd tier FAs to long-term max(ish) deals.  Instead, he signs two decent players who'll provide important dimensions to the current team on short-term deals with a non-guarantee in year 2.  I think it's brilliant.

Yes -- ABSOLUTELY punting on the upcoming season.  This is another growth year, not a year for contention (we're only 2 years into the re-build).

In 2015-16 a good half-dozen Celtics will increase their trade value while we look at being a 5-9 seed (depending on how the wind blows) in the East.  Meanwhile Brooklyn falters and Danny uses an improved set of assets with great salary flexibility and a ton of cap space to make serious moves at trade deadline or in summer of '16.

This is Danny being brilliant and patient.

[j804]

cheap Danny won't overpay. Only for certain kind of players

That's not "cheap", that's being smart.

At the same time, I'd rather have Harris than Johnson + Jerebko, and those two combined cost more than Harris.

Thats what's frustrating. I wish we didn't even sign these guys back if we weren't going for Harris.

[Snakehead]

How long will you give him? That's the question. Would you be ok being in flux 3 more years hoping a disgruntled star hits the market or some such? Personally I wouldn't because I don't know that any of these young players will have time to develop when guys like Amir Johnson are starting in front of them.

1) Yes, definitely expected this to take a while but it's the best approach vs tanking, which is a joke to me and the NBA needs to change the rules however they can to discourage.  3 years is fine.

2) They signed Amir Johnson.  You say "guys like"... well who else?  He's going to be taking Bass' minutes and all our young guys will still play.  Young players getting playing time won't be an issue.  Stevens is only going to play them if they deserve it anyways and if they don't deserve it they shouldn't be playing.



I think a lot of you guys need to take a few breaths and step back from the edge.

[knuckleballer]

I really want the Celtics to improve their talent, too. One thing I think it is important to keep in mind about Harris, though, is that his current team has apparently decided that they don't think he is worth the max. That is interesting because the Magic are also in needed of a boost in talent, in particular offensive talent. I think the Magic front office is regarded generally as being pretty savvy, and they have had a long look at Harris. I know they just drafted Herzonja to play essentially the same position, but the Spaniard is still an unknown quantity and certainly will take time to develop. Plus, you know, they just drafted someone to play the essentially the same position.

Harris is young, showing improvement, and displaying some potentially elite offensive skills. But the Magic's evaluation of him scares me.

The Magic also have Moe Harkless and Aaron Gordon who more or less play the same position.

[PhoSita]

I'm fine with Ainge being patient and not leveraging all of the assets of the team unless he thinks the guy he's getting will be really good.

My issue is, if you're not going to make some moves to steer this thing upward, what is the point of maintaining the course right back to the same place again -- the middle?  I don't understand that.

We just spent a week agonizing over Ainge's inability to move up to take a prospect he really liked because we finished outside of the top 10 with very little to show for it.  Now Ainge is making moves that apparently will put us in the same predicament a year from now. 

Is free agency going to go so much better next year? 

Is another team going to want to trade us a star for a fist-full of middling assets next year?

[tankcity!]

Steve Bulpett ?@SteveBHoop 19m19 minutes ago

Important: Reason C's not pursuing some FA isn't because they don't like them, but b/c can't afford them and stay in line for bigger move.

HAHAHBAHAHAHAHAHAHAH What big moves , such nonsense

.... the big moves are in the future?  Is that really confusing?

"Big Moves" = The New Fireworks

It's just another attempt at fan appeasement.

Draft was a failure.  SO far, this offseason has been a massive failure.   I'm losing faith.  With the additions of Jerebko and Johnson, we don't even have enough money to even offer a max contract.  Depending on what Jae Crowder gets, matching him might wrap up this entire offseason.  So you're basically swapping Bass for Johnson and punting on the season.

Funny how people can see the same picture and conclude something completely different.  The Johnson and Jerebko signings are a great relief to me.   I was really worried Danny was going to sign a couple of 2nd tier FAs to long-term max(ish) deals.  Instead, he signs two decent players who'll provide important dimensions to the current team on short-term deals with a non-guarantee in year 2.  I think it's brilliant.

Yes -- ABSOLUTELY punting on the upcoming season.  This is another growth year, not a year for contention (we're only 2 years into the re-build).

In 2015-16 a good half-dozen Celtics will increase their trade value while we look at being a 5-9 seed (depending on how the wind blows) in the East.  Meanwhile Brooklyn falters and Danny uses an improved set of assets with great salary flexibility and a ton of cap space to make serious moves at trade deadline or in summer of '16.

This is Danny being brilliant and patient.

So you're idea of being a genius is staying in the middle. Do you want to get swept again and then lose out on a player like Winslow? People are really letting Ainge off the hook here.

[Scintan]

It's amazing to me how irrational and short sighted that alot of people on these boards are.

Not making a big signing would absolutely be the right thing to do. We are not going to overpay for marginal talent just because we can. We are trying to build a team to one day win a championship and not one that will be a perennial 5th-8th seed.

I'm glad that our GM is not the people on these boards. It has made me realize how even dedicated fans are not too smart.

Think about a rebuild..it is a 3-5 year plan, not a 2 year plan. We need to be more patient and not go crazy like we are right now.

You really think Tobias Harris is the answer for us? Please....

Drinking the Koolaid by the barrel every year is not smart, either, but a host of Celtics fans do that.

[barefacedmonk]

I'm fine with Ainge being patient and not leveraging all of the assets of the team unless he thinks the guy he's getting will be really good.

My issue is, if you're not going to make some moves to steer this thing upward, what is the point of maintaining the course right back to the same place again -- the middle?  I don't understand that.

We just spent a week agonizing over Ainge's inability to move up to take a prospect he really liked because we finished outside of the top 10 with very little to show for it.  Now Ainge is making moves that apparently will put us in the same predicament a year from now. 

Is free agency going to go so much better next year? 

Is another team going to want to trade us a star for a fist-full of middling assets next year?

QFT.

TP!

[Shamrocker]

It's amazing to me how irrational and short sighted that alot of people on these boards are.

Not making a big signing would absolutely be the right thing to do. We are not going to overpay for marginal talent just because we can. We are trying to build a team to one day win a championship and not one that will be a perennial 5th-8th seed.

I'm glad that our GM is not the people on these boards. It has made me realize how even dedicated fans are not too smart.

Think about a rebuild..it is a 3-5 year plan, not a 2 year plan. We need to be more patient and not go crazy like we are right now.

You really think Tobias Harris is the answer for us? Please....

Drinking the Koolaid by the barrel every year is not smart, either, but a host of Celtics fans do that.