You guys do realize the players we drafted are good right?

[SHAQATTACK]

Good for a tank job ....

And that's where this team is headed


Back to the lottery.......I see no worth to these players , but fill the roster to tank another five years .


All the big talk of exciting draft picks ...meh .....horse hockey ........you need top five picks or ten to have any reasonable chance at a ELITE player .


So lesson learned.....DO not value picks if they are not in the top ten .......otherwise they are fairly worthless to a team .......like the Celtics THAT has NO elite talent to begin with. What good is the 15 pick .....if you have 40 fifteen picks ...probably none will move the needle forward

If we had three stars ......then those role player picks are great .........but role player picks are not going to provide a BASE for the team .

He should get on his knees and beg Philly to take ALL the stupid draft picks snd Sully for Nerlins .....and they still might laugh.

Danny should be fired ASAP

[kozlodoev]

Even if I accept that Rozier was the best player available, to really justify picking him there I think you would have to believe he was a clear cut above the other names in play -- Portis, Dekker, RHJ, Grant, Anderson.  I'm on record as being very skeptical of that.

Portis didn't exactly help himself at the combine, though. His vertical is worse than Sullinger's despite an extra inch in height, and three extra inches in standing reach.

I think I would've preferred Dekker, RHJ, or Anderson at the spot.  People are really divided on Portis.  Maybe he's a steal, maybe he's a 3rd string energy guy.

What this team needs is size, athleticism, and shooting ability on the wing.  The three guys I mentioned might not be better than Rozier, but they'd have a shot at making it into the rotation because they offer at least a couple of things the team needs.

What this team needs is someone who can operate reliably with the ball in his hands while Thomas is on the bench. It could really be at any position. Right now the closest they have to this is Turner. Smart can possibly pan out in this role, and so can Rozier. We'll have to wait and see.

Right now Turner is the closest they have to that guy, and he's kind of up and down -- sometimes it looks great, and sometimes it looks like you got a guy from the YMCA and put him against real NBA players.

Bradley seems like the odd man out at this point. He's both redundant, and will have some value to a team that wouldn't have him too exposed in the offense. So he can bring back something in a package -- perhaps a competent big or a wing.

[PhoSita]

Even if I accept that Rozier was the best player available, to really justify picking him there I think you would have to believe he was a clear cut above the other names in play -- Portis, Dekker, RHJ, Grant, Anderson.  I'm on record as being very skeptical of that.

Portis didn't exactly help himself at the combine, though. His vertical is worse than Sullinger's despite an extra inch in height, and three extra inches in standing reach.

I think I would've preferred Dekker, RHJ, or Anderson at the spot.  People are really divided on Portis.  Maybe he's a steal, maybe he's a 3rd string energy guy.

What this team needs is size, athleticism, and shooting ability on the wing.  The three guys I mentioned might not be better than Rozier, but they'd have a shot at making it into the rotation because they offer at least a couple of things the team needs.

What this team needs is someone who can operate reliably with the ball in his hands while Thomas is on the bench. It could really be at any position. Right now the closest they have to this is Turner. Smart can possibly pan out in this role, and so can Rozier. We'll have to wait and see.

Bradley seems like the odd man out at this point. He's both redundant, and will have some value to a team that wouldn't have him too exposed in the offense. So he can bring back something in a package -- perhaps a competent big or a wing.

I agree that at this point it makes a great deal of sense to move both Bradley and  Turner.  I don't even really care what the return is.

If Rozier is gonna be the main ball-handler while Thomas is on the bench, cool.  Have Smart be a full-time SG, start Crowder at SF and let's find out if James Young or RJ Hunter can earn minutes on the wing.

[M.A.]

I think overall you have to be pretty excited even though Ainge was never presented with the opportunity to move up, as was his intention. Certainly it would have been better to net Jahlil, or Justice, but at the end of the day I'm glad Ainge didn't sell everything for one young player. The fact that he then went and made 4 solid picks based on skill alone reminds me of a bill bellichick draft.

That Mickey kid will be great against small-ball teams, and he could develop into a solid player. Rosier will also certainly develop, he plays SO much like Russell Westbrook did in college (not to put the highest of expectations on the kid) so I was fine with the pick when it went through. RJ Hunter will certainly be a shooting specialist, but the Celtics literally had ZERO floor spacers, so using the 28th on him was a certifiable steal.

I don't particularly agree with the consensus "C" that Ainge has been getting for this draft. Certainly the expectations were self-inflicted but when the Celtics were on the clock, they made good choices. They went for the "best player available" and with a PF & C strong free-agency group you can expect the Celtics to be "in" on many of the top 4 and 5 spot players in the upcoming weeks.

I give Ainge a solid "B". The Celtics got better, and even though they didn't trade up, they still got value out of their picks.

[mef730]

He is better at penetrating than Smart and Avery.  http://www.nbadraft.net/2015-nba-draft-combine-athleticism-test-analysis

So he has a great wingspan and standing reach for a guy his size. Check out the URL above. He also has a great shuttle time. The "reactionary" shuttle was introduced in 10' to help determine a players agility in regards to creating space and penetrating. A red flag is if the players test is just ok or bad and they have bad ball handling skills because the test does not include you dribbling the ball.

Alright then.

So assuming we don't trade someone, who gets his minutes cut so Rozier can play?

Is this roster set in stone?

Probably not, but we have now, what, 6-8 guards? And there are an awful lot of guards out there. We may not be set in stone, but we're in no position to be making demands, either.

Mike

[hwangjini_1]

Yeah, I buy that Rozier will be an NBA rotation player, and for #16, that's not that bad.  Hunter and Mickey have a decent shot of sticking around, too.  So, yeah, on talent alone Rozier wasn't a bad pick.

However, with Smart, Bradley, and Thomas already on the roster, a 6'2" shooting guard doesn't make a lot of sense, even if he has NBA talent.  There were better options on the board.  I would have preferred any of the guys taken in the top-24 over Rozier, due to fit and size alone.

i understand your points. would you please let me know whom it is you think the celtics could have picked who is a big man and a better player/athlete?

[number_n9ne]

I don't hate our draft but the logjam created certainly gives me a headache.

I love Smart but at this point I'm hoping him and parts plus pick gets traded for Okafor in this reported "godfather" deal. If we went into a full youth movement of Rozier/Hunter/Young/Olynyk/Okafor and just tried to develop some stars maybe we would be in contention in the next 4-6 years. But right now it's all just foggy. This looks like a mess 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Who's our best guard?  IT4, without a doubt. Why is he our best? IT4 can dribble penetrate and get the defense moving.

Smart and Bradley can not dribble penetrate, they are shooters and defenders. This is well known.

Dribble penetration creates the most space and provides the most open looks.

After watching Terrys tape, its clear he is very quick with the ball and can get into the paint.

Pretty sure that's why we drafted him.

Assuming everything you say is true, and Rozier is going to get a good amount of playing time, let's consider the implications: 1) Boston kinda wasted last year's No. 6 pick on the nonscoring, nonpenetrating Smart, or 2) Boston foolishly invested long term in the nonpenetrating, nonballhandling Bradley. And no one's knocking down Ainge's door to acquire either of those guys for any respectable trade package.

And to answer the original question of this thread, I'll pose my own question: How good are they? As good as James Young, who last year failed to do the one thing he's supposed to be really good at (shooting)?

[BitterJim]

Good for a tank job ....

And that's where this team is headed


Back to the lottery.......I see no worth to these players , but fill the roster to tank another five years .


All the big talk of exciting draft picks ...meh .....horse hockey ........you need top five picks or ten to have any reasonable chance at a ELITE player .


So lesson learned.....DO not value picks if they are not in the top ten .......otherwise they are fairly worthless to a team .......like the Celtics THAT has NO elite talent to begin with. What good is the 15 pick .....if you have 40 fifteen picks ...probably none will move the needle forward

If we had three stars ......then those role player picks are great .........but role player picks are not going to provide a BASE for the team .

He should get on his knees and beg Philly to take ALL the stupid draft picks snd Sully for Nerlins .....and they still might laugh.

Danny should be fired ASAP

That's odd, because in just the past 15 years (excluding this year), the #15 picks have been:
Adreian Payne
Giannis Adetokunbo
Moe Harkless
Kawhi Leonard
Larry Sanders
Austin Daye
Robin Lopez
Rodney Stuckey
Cedric Simmons
Antoine Wright
Al Jefferson
Reece Gaines
Bostjan Nachbar
Steven Hunter   
Jason Collie

Are there many stars?  No, and there are quiet a few guys that didn't turn out to be much.  But on the other hand, there's Al Jefferson, Kawhi Leonard, and the Greek Freak.  I'd take the chance of getting a few of those guys over going all in on one single prospect just because they're rated higher

[gpap]

Nope, I don't.

[gpap]

Good for a tank job ....

And that's where this team is headed


Back to the lottery.......I see no worth to these players , but fill the roster to tank another five years .


All the big talk of exciting draft picks ...meh .....horse hockey ........you need top five picks or ten to have any reasonable chance at a ELITE player .


So lesson learned.....DO not value picks if they are not in the top ten .......otherwise they are fairly worthless to a team .......like the Celtics THAT has NO elite talent to begin with. What good is the 15 pick .....if you have 40 fifteen picks ...probably none will move the needle forward

If we had three stars ......then those role player picks are great .........but role player picks are not going to provide a BASE for the team .

He should get on his knees and beg Philly to take ALL the stupid draft picks snd Sully for Nerlins .....and they still might laugh.

Danny should be fired ASAP

Tommy point Shaq. You can acquire all the picks you want. If they all have these stupid protections stamped with them, then they are meaningless.

It's about quality, not quantity.

Is anyone going to trade in a brand new car for 3 or 4 used ones?

No.

[Eja117]

No I do not realize that at this time. I don't even realize they were best available at those spots. Remains to be seen.

[Snakehead]

From what I'm seeing now, seems Rozier was dominating workouts against high ranked prospects and that gained him a lot of ground.  He must have done that in the Celtics workout.  Maybe he was the head turning player Ainge was talking about.

Ford says he would have went 3-4 picks later so I think the media were the ones out of the loop on Rozier, and then fans.  I know I had paid attention to the draft but didn't hear him brought up and to me looks like he should've been.  It isn't the expected pick but Ainge pretty much sticks to the player he likes most.

[PhoSita]

One positive thing I'll say about the team's draft is that they added one guy who is alleged to be good at coming off screens and nailing tough shots from outside, and another guy who alleged to be very good at setting screens.

Those are two skillsets the team sorely lacked this past year.

[Rondohara]

Everyone is just doing projections, no certainties here. Well, one certainty is that half of the top 10 will be busts, despite some guys commenting that a top 10 is needed to get some "sure talent". The other is that higher picks are more valuable. Also the Nets will very probably suck next season with, so a good pick at least the Celtics will get.

That being said I agree with the OP that the players "we" drafted are good, Rozier can ball, has potential for a low-level all-star, Hunter is also good, I don't expect much of the second round but we got the leading shot blocker out there who has some game and one of the best athletes that also has the capability to score efficiently and shoot.